Is MXDN becoming a thing of the past?

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8/11/2016 12:52pm
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Would the OP started this thread if the US hadn't lost the last four years in a row? Now that I am dwelling on it I'm...
Would the OP started this thread if the US hadn't lost the last four years in a row?

Now that I am dwelling on it I'm chapped Tomac bailed. He is one of our three best IMO

To the OP my response is how can you even question the validity of the MXoN?

Smh
To the contrary, that is one of the factors that made me wonder. I expected that now where there is more parity between the participating countries that there would be even more excitement over the event and a greater push for each country to bring its best. This is one of the things that surprised me. Seems I remember a much greater desire to have the very best on the line in the past.

So, my opening post is not misunderstood, I am a great fan of the MXDN. I consider it one of the most exciting, colorful and prestigious events of the season. I don't like seeing what appears to be a decline in the event. I am absolutely not questioning the validity of the event.
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Maybe some are just tired of going to race for free while putting their body and ultimately the possibility of their career on the line while others capitalize greatly off of them.
8/11/2016 1:10pm
I find it funny some people are wanting the biggest motocross race in the world to be ran every 4 years...,would this not mean that in some cases, the very best riders might not even get a chance to race it in their prime.. Or miss their chance due to injury. It is the only time we get a chance to see the best in America race with the rest of the world... It def seems it's a case of America not dominating like they have for the last 25 years so if they think they might not win.. They simply won't go... I think they alienate themselves by doing this and it certainly doesn't help when it comes to .. 'America vs the rest of the world' type thing.... I am a fan of motocross and just like to see the best racing possible.. The thought of the best American riders no longer wanting to go would certainly make the event lose some of its magic to me.
8/11/2016 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 8/11/2016 1:18pm
I find it funny some people are wanting the biggest motocross race in the world to be ran every 4 years...,would this not mean that in...
I find it funny some people are wanting the biggest motocross race in the world to be ran every 4 years...,would this not mean that in some cases, the very best riders might not even get a chance to race it in their prime.. Or miss their chance due to injury. It is the only time we get a chance to see the best in America race with the rest of the world... It def seems it's a case of America not dominating like they have for the last 25 years so if they think they might not win.. They simply won't go... I think they alienate themselves by doing this and it certainly doesn't help when it comes to .. 'America vs the rest of the world' type thing.... I am a fan of motocross and just like to see the best racing possible.. The thought of the best American riders no longer wanting to go would certainly make the event lose some of its magic to me.
The problem is that these guys may be making more potential money to sit out than to ride, or at least they are seeing it that way, gauging it against much needed physical rest and some other money races around the same time of year (but ones of lesser importance to the sport and it's fans).

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8/11/2016 1:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/11/2016 1:17pm
As a fan, the MXDN is still as prestigious as ever. Yes, it sucks sometimes when a rider doesn't want to go over, but that is their choice and I respect it. That doesn't stop me from rooting for the folks we send over from the U.S.

I love seeing the top riders from each country battle it out. Really doesn't at all faze me if Tomac or Dungey isn't there.

I like watching the team tactics. I like watching riders work together for a common goal when they may not otherwise do so. I think all around it is still awesome. Last years races were some of the best ever in a long time. Regardless if we won or not. The racing was epic. It was fun watching those guys give it their all.

In no way in my mind would a manufacturer cup trump the MXDN. I get behind the riders of my country and could care less what brands they ride. So in my mind that is why a manufactures cup will never truly replace the spirit and prestige of the MXDN.

I also really enjoy seeing how the Americans do against the Euro's. The Europeans ride some nasty nasty tracks and absolutely haul the mail. The gap has been closed so much from years past. The Euro's have some bad dudes that can race with anyone. Just like America has some bad dudes who can race with anyone.
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Its as much a thing of the past as A1... the only people who can even think this have never been. Its the pinnacle of the...
Its as much a thing of the past as A1... the only people who can even think this have never been.

Its the pinnacle of the sport.
Agreed! ^^^
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Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
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I have a feeling its more about money than anything. I would bet that Tomac and others like Roczen will make significantly more at the other off season races than he would at MXDN. And then theres people like Webb who Jump at the chance to go to MXDN because they think it's a big deal to go.

And maybe I just fall into this category with a handful of people but I also can't watch the race when it is aired here in the US 90% of the time due to one thing or another and when I do get to watch it, I don't really care because it's just another race to watch with a ton of commercials. It would be different if the race was at budds creek and I was going because I was very hype about that race.
8/11/2016 1:36pm
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I have a feeling its more about money than anything. I would bet that Tomac and others like Roczen will make significantly more at the other...
I have a feeling its more about money than anything. I would bet that Tomac and others like Roczen will make significantly more at the other off season races than he would at MXDN. And then theres people like Webb who Jump at the chance to go to MXDN because they think it's a big deal to go.

And maybe I just fall into this category with a handful of people but I also can't watch the race when it is aired here in the US 90% of the time due to one thing or another and when I do get to watch it, I don't really care because it's just another race to watch with a ton of commercials. It would be different if the race was at budds creek and I was going because I was very hype about that race.
"People like Webb who Jump at the chance to go to MXDN because they think it's a big deal to go" haven't yet made and competed for their big-class money.
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8/11/2016 1:39pm
FastGzus wrote:
Maybe some are just tired of going to race for free while putting their body and ultimately the possibility of their career on the line while...
Maybe some are just tired of going to race for free while putting their body and ultimately the possibility of their career on the line while others capitalize greatly off of them.
They do that every day they go on the practice track. It's part of the sport. If they thought that they probably wouldn't race at all
8/11/2016 1:40pm
FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
None of this seemed to be a problem 5/10 years ago
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8/11/2016 1:43pm
FastGzus wrote:
Maybe some are just tired of going to race for free while putting their body and ultimately the possibility of their career on the line while...
Maybe some are just tired of going to race for free while putting their body and ultimately the possibility of their career on the line while others capitalize greatly off of them.
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They do that every day they go on the practice track. It's part of the sport. If they thought that they probably wouldn't race at all
They're getting paid for that. Practice has less variables then a 40 man gate race situation. Besides it more about money, last I checked their isn't autograph lines and 40k fans at practice
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FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
None of this seemed to be a problem 5/10 years ago
The point is it's not the pinnacle of the sport except to a large number of fans.

People need to separate their emotion from reality
8/11/2016 1:46pm
FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
None of this seemed to be a problem 5/10 years ago
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The point is it's not the pinnacle of the sport except to a large number of fans.

People need to separate their emotion from reality
Yes ... I agree totally.. I am an emotional fan : )
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8/11/2016 1:50pm
And I do agree that losing has made it easier but riders have skipped before recently.
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Nothing else compares to the atmosphere, anticipation and sheer exhilaration of a Motocross of Nations.

The build up on social media might contribute towards it somewhat but to me it feels bigger and better than I can ever remember. It's slicker, more professional, it's profile has grown, it draws a huge, passionate crowd of diehard fans who travel from far and wide to watch the very best Motocross riders in the world uphold a 70 year tradition and represent their country on one weekend each year.

I think most riders still understand the gravitas of the event, we're not talking about a whole swathes of guys abstaining. Just the three who probably command the most lucrative contracts.
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Run it every other year...

I think TO THE RIDERS when America was winning every year for a decade and a half, it got stale and boring...now that we aren't winning at all for the past half decade, its just not fun.

But stale and boring, and not fun...neither are good signs for American riders interest in the event.

The only fans that I know that care about the event are the ones that follow the message boards...well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but for the most part its true...and to American fans, that post on the message boards, we loved it in the past (when America was winning) because then we could talk trash on all the Europeans/non-Americans....now that America isn't winning, we can't talk trash on the message boards any more, so it doesn't matter at all.

I do feel like American riders are in a lose/lose situation, even if they win...if they win its because we have a largest population and we are SUPPOSED to win, so our win doesn't matter...but if they lose, then its a massive deal and the team(s) that beat them are amazing, and we really suck to lose with such a huge population.

It's like wrestling a girl...if you win, big deal! You're supposed to win...but if you lose, look out because you'll never hear the end of it.

So I can see why American riders-especially the best of the best in America-don't really care to go.
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FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
Winning the nations is huge... i supposed to be the race where all the best riders in the world, come together, at the same track, on the same day , to see who is best, Winning over a season is great , winning on the day , in front of the biggest crowd, in an event that everyone would kill to get picked for.

What is Magoo remembered for ??? Only guy to sweep all 4 motos at the Nations

Omara... riding a mugen, and beating everyone on a 125 at the nations.

Maggiora will be off the scale this year.. return of a classic track and 30 years after one on the most talked about races of all time, and guys are choosing not to go.. i just dont get it.

Maybe the current crop arent prepared for the fact that they might get beaten.
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8/11/2016 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 8/11/2016 1:59pm
Titan1 wrote:
Run it every other year... I think TO THE RIDERS when America was winning every year for a decade and a half, it got stale and...
Run it every other year...

I think TO THE RIDERS when America was winning every year for a decade and a half, it got stale and boring...now that we aren't winning at all for the past half decade, its just not fun.

But stale and boring, and not fun...neither are good signs for American riders interest in the event.

The only fans that I know that care about the event are the ones that follow the message boards...well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but for the most part its true...and to American fans, that post on the message boards, we loved it in the past (when America was winning) because then we could talk trash on all the Europeans/non-Americans....now that America isn't winning, we can't talk trash on the message boards any more, so it doesn't matter at all.

I do feel like American riders are in a lose/lose situation, even if they win...if they win its because we have a largest population and we are SUPPOSED to win, so our win doesn't matter...but if they lose, then its a massive deal and the team(s) that beat them are amazing, and we really suck to lose with such a huge population.

It's like wrestling a girl...if you win, big deal! You're supposed to win...but if you lose, look out because you'll never hear the end of it.

So I can see why American riders-especially the best of the best in America-don't really care to go.
I understand what you are saying, it makes a lot of sense, but every other country had to deal with year upon year of American domination, I'm sure that wasn't much fun. They never stepped away from the challenge though
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Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
You can try and down play it all you want mate, but a MXdN victory means a lot! Go back and look at Team USA celebrations in 2009 to start with.
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I certainly hope it doesn't fade away. I look forward to it every year. From what I can see, it appears that the US involvement is suffering due to the long SX/MX schedule we have here. Perhaps it should be held during a coordinated break in the MXGP and US MX schedules?

As for the US not wanting to go because we have not won in awhile, not true. The US has won it more over the years than anyone else. I think if the AMA and MXGP could work together, it would work better for everyone involved.

It's the only time we get to see the best riders in the world compete against each other, on the same track. For this reason alone I hope it stays and is successful.
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8/11/2016 2:00pm
FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
philG wrote:
Winning the nations is huge... i supposed to be the race where all the best riders in the world, come together, at the same track, on...
Winning the nations is huge... i supposed to be the race where all the best riders in the world, come together, at the same track, on the same day , to see who is best, Winning over a season is great , winning on the day , in front of the biggest crowd, in an event that everyone would kill to get picked for.

What is Magoo remembered for ??? Only guy to sweep all 4 motos at the Nations

Omara... riding a mugen, and beating everyone on a 125 at the nations.

Maggiora will be off the scale this year.. return of a classic track and 30 years after one on the most talked about races of all time, and guys are choosing not to go.. i just dont get it.

Maybe the current crop arent prepared for the fact that they might get beaten.
I'm not going to argue its history or the fact that it's a thrilling win but I'd bet large sums of money that if you gave a rider a choice of multiple mxdn triumphs or multiple MX1, SX OR MX titles that a strong majority would choose the latter. To me that would signify the individual titles are the pinnacle.
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FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
jamma10 wrote:
You can try and down play it all you want mate, but a MXdN victory means a lot! Go back and look at Team USA celebrations...
You can try and down play it all you want mate, but a MXdN victory means a lot! Go back and look at Team USA celebrations in 2009 to start with.
I simply asked a question to which I'm fairly confident the answer would not be mxdn.
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FastGzus wrote:
Pinnacle of the sport? Would MXGP guys rather have a MX1 world title, AMA guys 450 SX/MX Title or be apart of a winning MXON team?
jamma10 wrote:
You can try and down play it all you want mate, but a MXdN victory means a lot! Go back and look at Team USA celebrations...
You can try and down play it all you want mate, but a MXdN victory means a lot! Go back and look at Team USA celebrations in 2009 to start with.
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I simply asked a question to which I'm fairly confident the answer would not be mxdn.
As a one off event it IS the pinnacle of the sport. Obviously riders want to win their respective championships but the MXdN is unique.

Have you been to one?
8/11/2016 2:08pm
[quote=OleTex] Perhaps it should be held during a coordinated break in the MXGP and US MX schedules? [/quote]

This is winning talk, here. Bring in the sponsors, make it so. Force all the national organizations talk seriously with regard to international growth.
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8/11/2016 2:10pm
Other than the US riders, how many of the racers that race the MXdN already race the GP's?
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Other than the US riders, how many of the racers that race the MXdN already race the GP's?
Roughly about half the field, why?
8/11/2016 2:16pm Edited Date/Time 8/11/2016 2:17pm
It's the main event of the year to showcase the downward spiral of the the USA fighting to even get on the podium against the GP riders. Sour grapes when you are being beaten. Who wants to be known as a rider on the team that lost?
8/11/2016 2:21pm
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I'd love to go to the MXDN, but it seems like too many Vitards on both sides of the fence make that race the staple of...
I'd love to go to the MXDN, but it seems like too many Vitards on both sides of the fence make that race the staple of "who's better" which makes the race into more of a dick measuring contest than anything else.

The other thing that makes this race particularly ambiguous is the TV package. I don't recall seeing it on TV here except for once. And I rarely watch events live due to scheduling conflicts and commercials. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
It's definitely not a dick measuring contest when your there, everyone is just really happy to see the world's best race each other!
It's a shame the fantasy world of vitards is stopping you from going, you are missing out!

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