Moss Brothers Doping

8/9/2016 6:38am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2016 6:39am
hvaughn88 wrote:
If that's the case, the HGH rumor might be accurate
Skidaddle wrote:
This mis information about HGH here is mind boggling. HGH doesnt come in a bottle per se. It comes in a kit. And most couldn't afford...
This mis information about HGH here is mind boggling.

HGH doesnt come in a bottle per se. It comes in a kit. And most couldn't afford it in this sport at a dose high enough to matter. And they would need to like to take shots every day or even twice a day if they are serious. And its expensive. Especially Pharm grade. And Chinese shit guys use 2-3 times the amount of Pharm grade because they have no idea if its real, fake or something else.

Even a 4 UI 1 time shot of GH between motos isn't going to be all OH yeah Im ready for moto 2 now. Thats not long enough for the receptors to even acknowledge it's there.
And HGH isn't an upper like speed.
Alot accused Stew of GH at first. And they were wrong.








Explain kit. I will agree However, nobody in this thread really has any idea about hgh.
8/9/2016 11:04am
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
8/9/2016 11:58am
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
its nuts that there has been nothing from Motorcycling Australia or MX Nationals.com.au on the issue,
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Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
I suggested HGH due to the rumor that it was something to help aid in the time for recovery.

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Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
There are a lot better peds than hgh. The reason Ma hasn't mentioned anything yet is because a legal process will be in place and until it runs the course they won't say anything. As far as Kawasaki making an announcement, they had to because there sponsors need to know why there guys aren't on the line. Kawasaki will be in damage control trying not to lose sponsors and money from those guys. Jake and Matt are done. They can blame everyone else but deep down they know that they fucked up.
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Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
mx fact wrote:
There are a lot better peds than hgh. The reason Ma hasn't mentioned anything yet is because a legal process will be in place and until...
There are a lot better peds than hgh. The reason Ma hasn't mentioned anything yet is because a legal process will be in place and until it runs the course they won't say anything. As far as Kawasaki making an announcement, they had to because there sponsors need to know why there guys aren't on the line. Kawasaki will be in damage control trying not to lose sponsors and money from those guys. Jake and Matt are done. They can blame everyone else but deep down they know that they fucked up.
Well one sponsor in NPE obviously won't pull out of its deal with the team because of the Moss bros and would be very surprised if it does as they funded Jakes ride this year and from what I'm told and there was a previous agreement in place that make will actually go and work for NPE in a supervisory role as his body probably wouldn't hold up to the physical labour side of the job.
8/10/2016 7:22am
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there.

But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt hgh.
8/10/2016 9:12am
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MATT MOSS GIVED ME HIS GOGGILS AT FREESTONE WHEN HE RIDED SUSZUKI. I HOAP HE DIND DO ANYTHING WRONG HE IS MY FAVERITE RIDER THATS NOT...
MATT MOSS GIVED ME HIS GOGGILS AT FREESTONE WHEN HE RIDED SUSZUKI. I HOAP HE DIND DO ANYTHING WRONG HE IS MY FAVERITE RIDER THATS NOT FORM TEXAS.
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8/10/2016 1:15pm
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
UpTiTe wrote:
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there. But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt...
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there.

But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt hgh.
No such thing. Thats like test boosters lolz.
Even all the UGL stuff is 99.9% fake.
Or something else entirely.

Growth is a piss poor drug by itself. And even if you get pharm grade stuff
without PCT, good luck if you ever come off.

8/10/2016 2:03pm
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
UpTiTe wrote:
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there. But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt...
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there.

But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt hgh.
Skidaddle wrote:
No such thing. Thats like test boosters lolz. Even all the UGL stuff is 99.9% fake. Or something else entirely. Growth is a piss poor drug...
No such thing. Thats like test boosters lolz.
Even all the UGL stuff is 99.9% fake.
Or something else entirely.

Growth is a piss poor drug by itself. And even if you get pharm grade stuff
without PCT, good luck if you ever come off.

No such thing as what?
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8/10/2016 3:17pm
Maybe Jake has stated an internship with Steven Dank!
Dank's health may be problimatic sooner or later!
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Why is it a Joke and they are sweeping it under the rug ffs. My money is still on a Phone Call. I know of ONE...
Why is it a Joke and they are sweeping it under the rug ffs. My money is still on a Phone Call.

I know of ONE positive test in WA For Weed and a Road Racing Rider but I think it is Fantastic that All the States don't have ANY Positives that have been Headlines. I can't understand why MA and all the Media aren't blowing this up to be the Crime of the Year gee I wonder why.

Come on all you Aussie Guys bring out the Number of Riders Tested in the last 10 years and how many positives, while Aussies are at it lets also bring out the figures for good ole USA and see just how many tests v positives please. Be nice to know exactly how many Full tests are conducted on a yearly basis in All Countries.

Like Lance and the Olympic Sports people you are Unlucky to get caught, I still reckon My ole Hero was Positive in Sydney but Australia had way too much to lose so hers and quite a few others apparently don't exist anymore. I think it is great that the NFL, Baseball, NBA, Naswar have so few Positives, maybe the $$$ Talk the Walk.

All the Best to Matt and Jake in what ever they choose to do and to Old Mate keep on keeping on and good luck with your Sharkies as they gunna need it.
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8/10/2016 11:36pm
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
mx fact wrote:
There are a lot better peds than hgh. The reason Ma hasn't mentioned anything yet is because a legal process will be in place and until...
There are a lot better peds than hgh. The reason Ma hasn't mentioned anything yet is because a legal process will be in place and until it runs the course they won't say anything. As far as Kawasaki making an announcement, they had to because there sponsors need to know why there guys aren't on the line. Kawasaki will be in damage control trying not to lose sponsors and money from those guys. Jake and Matt are done. They can blame everyone else but deep down they know that they fucked up.
block75 wrote:
Well one sponsor in NPE obviously won't pull out of its deal with the team because of the Moss bros and would be very surprised if...
Well one sponsor in NPE obviously won't pull out of its deal with the team because of the Moss bros and would be very surprised if it does as they funded Jakes ride this year and from what I'm told and there was a previous agreement in place that make will actually go and work for NPE in a supervisory role as his body probably wouldn't hold up to the physical labour side of the job.
That is correct, they won't pull the pin but it's the other real sponsors that may take legal action or leave the agreement. That is why Kawasaki made the statement. Moss brothers couldn't work as a normal worker because they are peanuts and don't really know how to get along with the majority.
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Looks like Kyle Peters is taking the MX1 ride for the last two rounds of the nationals.

Doesn't look like Matt is coming back either.
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Ferro wrote:
Looks like Kyle Peters is taking the MX1 ride for the last two rounds of the nationals.

Doesn't look like Matt is coming back either.
And I'm hearing there's interest in having Will Hahn take his spot for the Australian SX season at the end of the year...
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Ferro wrote:
Looks like Kyle Peters is taking the MX1 ride for the last two rounds of the nationals.

Doesn't look like Matt is coming back either.
ML512 wrote:
And I'm hearing there's interest in having Will Hahn take his spot for the Australian SX season at the end of the year...
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the sport for sum bs reason because he can't own the fact he's a cheater. As for will Hahn, that is the talk around the traps as well as jake Weimer and alessi to possibly ride for yarrive if he pays his bills. Also another rider that got cleaned out by Chad in his prime may make a comback and is test riding this Friday on a red bike.
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Ferro wrote:
Looks like Kyle Peters is taking the MX1 ride for the last two rounds of the nationals.

Doesn't look like Matt is coming back either.
ML512 wrote:
And I'm hearing there's interest in having Will Hahn take his spot for the Australian SX season at the end of the year...
mx fact wrote:
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the...
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the sport for sum bs reason because he can't own the fact he's a cheater. As for will Hahn, that is the talk around the traps as well as jake Weimer and alessi to possibly ride for yarrive if he pays his bills. Also another rider that got cleaned out by Chad in his prime may make a comback and is test riding this Friday on a red bike.
Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if he is top 3 but anywhere from top 10 to top 5 he is as fit as he'll probably just needs some decent track time and he do ok
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Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if...
Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if he is top 3 but anywhere from top 10 to top 5 he is as fit as he'll probably just needs some decent track time and he do ok
Mackie's IG is weekly WTF.
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mx fact wrote:
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the...
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the sport for sum bs reason because he can't own the fact he's a cheater. As for will Hahn, that is the talk around the traps as well as jake Weimer and alessi to possibly ride for yarrive if he pays his bills. Also another rider that got cleaned out by Chad in his prime may make a comback and is test riding this Friday on a red bike.
The interest of having Wil Hahn on the team for the Supercross season came directly from the team manager...
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ML512 wrote:
And I'm hearing there's interest in having Will Hahn take his spot for the Australian SX season at the end of the year...
mx fact wrote:
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the...
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the sport for sum bs reason because he can't own the fact he's a cheater. As for will Hahn, that is the talk around the traps as well as jake Weimer and alessi to possibly ride for yarrive if he pays his bills. Also another rider that got cleaned out by Chad in his prime may make a comback and is test riding this Friday on a red bike.
block75 wrote:
Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if...
Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if he is top 3 but anywhere from top 10 to top 5 he is as fit as he'll probably just needs some decent track time and he do ok
Cody Mac-donalds eating Mackie could make a comback but I don't think they have an 85cc class. I heard he does stunts in movies ect now.... Doing stunts and racing supercross are very different and I still don't think he has accepted that time he got punched over the berm by Chad. Either way it will be good to see him back on a bike, I'm hopefully He can finish in the top 5 and it will be a great opportunity to race once again without the pressure. would be great to see him back on a 450
8/11/2016 3:38pm
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants...
Why does it have to be HGH? There are plenty of meds out their that help with endurance and oxygen transport. They wouldnt be taking stimulants that will increase muscle size.

I still think this is nuts that only the manufacturer has released a statement and nothing from the riders. In saying that its not the only sport where the athletes keep quiet just look at mma at the moment and all the nonsense going on
UpTiTe wrote:
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there. But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt...
HGH and hgh extractors iare the most common and easiest to use ped out there.

But, if they tested positive for a band substance, it wasnt hgh.
Skidaddle wrote:
No such thing. Thats like test boosters lolz. Even all the UGL stuff is 99.9% fake. Or something else entirely. Growth is a piss poor drug...
No such thing. Thats like test boosters lolz.
Even all the UGL stuff is 99.9% fake.
Or something else entirely.

Growth is a piss poor drug by itself. And even if you get pharm grade stuff
without PCT, good luck if you ever come off.

Why would you need Pct for hgh? It wouldn't shut you down. I don't know how a racer could afford hgh, or race with the lethargic side effects.
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mx fact wrote:
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the...
Where'd you here that? They just replaced Matt for the remaining mx rounds. He will make an announcement soon saying he will step away from the sport for sum bs reason because he can't own the fact he's a cheater. As for will Hahn, that is the talk around the traps as well as jake Weimer and alessi to possibly ride for yarrive if he pays his bills. Also another rider that got cleaned out by Chad in his prime may make a comback and is test riding this Friday on a red bike.
block75 wrote:
Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if...
Cody Mackie to make a comeback Would be my guess, He is still very much capable and still very fast on a bike! Not sure if he is top 3 but anywhere from top 10 to top 5 he is as fit as he'll probably just needs some decent track time and he do ok
mx fact wrote:
Cody Mac-donalds eating Mackie could make a comback but I don't think they have an 85cc class. I heard he does stunts in movies ect now...
Cody Mac-donalds eating Mackie could make a comback but I don't think they have an 85cc class. I heard he does stunts in movies ect now.... Doing stunts and racing supercross are very different and I still don't think he has accepted that time he got punched over the berm by Chad. Either way it will be good to see him back on a bike, I'm hopefully He can finish in the top 5 and it will be a great opportunity to race once again without the pressure. would be great to see him back on a 450
Yeah he has been doin schools on an 85cc and doesn't it look fun, he has been doin a heap of stunt work and yes it is very different but unfortunately the depth in the sport in Australia is not that deep that he couldn't top 10
8/12/2016 5:36am
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Yeah he has been doin schools on an 85cc and doesn't it look fun, he has been doin a heap of stunt work and yes it...
Yeah he has been doin schools on an 85cc and doesn't it look fun, he has been doin a heap of stunt work and yes it is very different but unfortunately the depth in the sport in Australia is not that deep that he couldn't top 10
Hopefully Mackie comes back for a season.

Also hopefully the depth in the SX1 class will be a little better than MX1 this season.

Will make some calls this week, but hopefully the likes of Woods, Potter, Martin, Bopping along with the Imports rocking up for all or some rounds will have the SX1 class looking good.

A short sharp 5 weekend championship is much more affordable for those without Factory support compared to travelling this big old country ten times for MX, no way a privateer could do all 15 rounds year after year.

For those privateer riders in Aus with the skills to ride SX, it makes sense to skip the national mx championship where there is no prize money to be won from round to round and focus on a shorter SX series where they can get a little money back if they get results and spend a fraction of the money to contest the full series.

Though I think we will also see a few of the riders who are currently hovering around the top ten in MX not ride SX.
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This might give everyone abit more clarity as to what is going on with the Moss Brothers. Good on Jake for coming out and letting people know what's going on what he failed the test on
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Quick Google search on Ostarine led to this tidbit:

"Mk-2866 has proven to be quite beneficial in healing and perhaps preventing injuries in tendons, bone, and ligaments. Studies have shown, it is better than testosterone at injury prevention. As a result, it has become a favorite of many crossfitters and bodybuilders who sustain injuries during training. Also, it shows potential for use in the treatment of muscle wasting diseases, osteoporosis, and other ailments."
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kevin204 wrote:
Quick Google search on Ostarine led to this tidbit: "Mk-2866 has proven to be quite beneficial in healing and perhaps preventing injuries in tendons, bone, and...
Quick Google search on Ostarine led to this tidbit:

"Mk-2866 has proven to be quite beneficial in healing and perhaps preventing injuries in tendons, bone, and ligaments. Studies have shown, it is better than testosterone at injury prevention. As a result, it has become a favorite of many crossfitters and bodybuilders who sustain injuries during training. Also, it shows potential for use in the treatment of muscle wasting diseases, osteoporosis, and other ailments."
Seems like a good drug, why is it banned?
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The Vets class' new must have!!!
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The more I read about PED's the less I see them as this evil thing morally bankrupt people do to cheat the system, and the more I view them in many cases as almost a necessity in certain sports.

Something that can help your body prevent ligament and tendon injuries sounds to me like something a motocrosser or athelete in pretty much any contact sport should absolutely be allowed to use if required. Is Jake any faster on the track because of this? doubtful, in fact he may only be on the track at all because of it. It seems like keeping riders fit and healthy is one of the biggest issues we hear about these days.

I guess it comes down to where do you draw the line. WADA and ASADA have made that decision, whether we agree with it or not is irrelevant I guess, and these fellas are gonna go the way of many others in many different sports worldwide unfortunately.
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kevin204 wrote:
Quick Google search on Ostarine led to this tidbit: "Mk-2866 has proven to be quite beneficial in healing and perhaps preventing injuries in tendons, bone, and...
Quick Google search on Ostarine led to this tidbit:

"Mk-2866 has proven to be quite beneficial in healing and perhaps preventing injuries in tendons, bone, and ligaments. Studies have shown, it is better than testosterone at injury prevention. As a result, it has become a favorite of many crossfitters and bodybuilders who sustain injuries during training. Also, it shows potential for use in the treatment of muscle wasting diseases, osteoporosis, and other ailments."
kkawboy14 wrote:
Seems like a good drug, why is it banned?
even beter reading this, here ,as it descirbes, use/enhancements, side effects and oh, that its been banned by wada since 2008.

so try pull the, oh i didn't know what i was taking, trainer gave it to me and the rest of the excuses, it took 5mins to google that its a banned substance.

interesting reading on why its a grey area drug for the u.s because of still being used in clinical trials.
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Shame since its Just another SARM which are pretty much junk or fake or have very little active ingredient. Stuff is more or less shit.
You can ask anyone, most of this shit is being pushed by the brand names with guys all drugged up promoting it and own the company also.

Hey look, what cost 3 cents and sells for 69 bucks did this. Right. Nevermind the 5 cc shots everyday of real gear. I could go on for days over this jumk.

This bust is along the lines of getting a DUI for Nyquil, when you should have been sipping some cheap Beam or Daniels.
Or A Rod for Androstenedione
At least make it worth it.


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