Finally Tomac was.....

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51xc 7/25/2016 4:28pm
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roczen said tomac was faster and he let him by to see his lines but couldn't match eli's pace. roczen has been the fastes guy for the majority of races, so it makes no sense that he let eli have the win, even in moto 1 he had a higher pace so why would he roll over to hand tomac another win and confidence.
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Getndome 7/25/2016 4:49pm
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Kx125rider wrote:
He has the speed, but it still seems to me hes not as comfortable on the kawi as he was on that honda. IMO there is...
He has the speed, but it still seems to me hes not as comfortable on the kawi as he was on that honda. IMO there is a possibility he never will be. Hope to see some more wins by the end of the season.
nofx153 wrote:
hes been on honda since turning pro. he will get back to warp speed and gelling with the new bike more and more. takes time for...
hes been on honda since turning pro. he will get back to warp speed and gelling with the new bike more and more. takes time for sure
Right! And with roczen switching teams I wouldn't be surprised to see the rolls reversed next summer.
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kkawboy14 7/25/2016 5:06pm
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Kx125rider wrote:
He has the speed, but it still seems to me hes not as comfortable on the kawi as he was on that honda. IMO there is...
He has the speed, but it still seems to me hes not as comfortable on the kawi as he was on that honda. IMO there is a possibility he never will be. Hope to see some more wins by the end of the season.
nofx153 wrote:
hes been on honda since turning pro. he will get back to warp speed and gelling with the new bike more and more. takes time for...
hes been on honda since turning pro. he will get back to warp speed and gelling with the new bike more and more. takes time for sure
Getndome wrote:
Right! And with roczen switching teams I wouldn't be surprised to see the rolls reversed next summer.
I have a fealing if he really goes to Honda......he won't be behind!
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When you see a big difference between moto 1 and moto 2 performance in the same rider, it's probably not the rider.

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moore433 7/25/2016 7:23pm
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What I see is To mac is having a lot of trouble mid turn with the front wheel loosing traction for a second or so.
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moore433 wrote:
What I see is To mac is having a lot of trouble mid turn with the front wheel loosing traction for a second or so.
I was at the track and noticed the same thing. In the First Moto he'd hesitate in the apex, something I can't recall him doing on the Honda
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51xc wrote:
roczen said tomac was faster and he let him by to see his lines but couldn't match eli's pace. roczen has been the fastes guy for...
roczen said tomac was faster and he let him by to see his lines but couldn't match eli's pace. roczen has been the fastes guy for the majority of races, so it makes no sense that he let eli have the win, even in moto 1 he had a higher pace so why would he roll over to hand tomac another win and confidence.
It's not that he just let him win, but he realised that there was no point pushing and taking risks to try and match Eli's pace. Once he saw the pace Tomac had I don't think he was ever really interested in trying to stay with him, because he knew he probably wouldn't be able to anyway
rawmetalmedia 7/26/2016 2:21am
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51xc wrote:
roczen said tomac was faster and he let him by to see his lines but couldn't match eli's pace. roczen has been the fastes guy for...
roczen said tomac was faster and he let him by to see his lines but couldn't match eli's pace. roczen has been the fastes guy for the majority of races, so it makes no sense that he let eli have the win, even in moto 1 he had a higher pace so why would he roll over to hand tomac another win and confidence.
I think the mental game is "you only win if I have an off day and let you by".. but yeah, he did admit tomac was faster that day
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KC435 7/26/2016 10:09am
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That outside pass he put on Marvin was amazing. I am not sure what was going on with Tomac the first half of moto 1, but the rest was the old Tomac and great to watch.
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The Champ 7/26/2016 12:05pm
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roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
I bet you thought the same thing after Southwick.
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.


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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
Roczen,"The champ".Tongue
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nofx153 7/27/2016 12:37am
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nofx153 wrote:
hes been on honda since turning pro. he will get back to warp speed and gelling with the new bike more and more. takes time for...
hes been on honda since turning pro. he will get back to warp speed and gelling with the new bike more and more. takes time for sure
Getndome wrote:
Right! And with roczen switching teams I wouldn't be surprised to see the rolls reversed next summer.
kkawboy14 wrote:
I have a fealing if he really goes to Honda......he won't be behind!
true, but Tomac will already have more seat time while Kroc might be struggling a little bit to find that setting that he found on the suzuki. just an observation
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RG1 7/27/2016 12:50am
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
Tomac hasn't dominated Roczen for nearly 4 years now. I don't know how anyone can say he normally dominates. He's like a yo-yo, up, down, up, down
steve.hackler.1 7/27/2016 7:47am
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Roczen said "humble in victory and humble in defeat". Pretty solid.
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
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motomike137 7/27/2016 9:43am
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It looked to me like Eli is learning to steer that Kawi with the back wheel more and more ala RV. It may be a new chassis but it still looks like it handles like their previous bikes.

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nofx153 7/27/2016 11:27am
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
Park Boys wrote:
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
getting hurt sucks
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
Park Boys wrote:
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
nofx153 wrote:
getting hurt sucks
so does getting beat all year
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TXDirt 7/27/2016 11:40am
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Tomac is still fighting that Kawasaki. It seems like the front is too soft or spongy at the top when he enters a corner. I dunno. He definitely is not as comfortable on it yet like he was on his Honda. On the Honda he could do just about anything on it. He seems still timid on the KX in certain motos/tracks.

Hopefully he feels more dialed in next year. Ken this year reminds me of how Tomac was at the start of last year. Just a beast and can make the bike do what he wants when he wants it without any fear of the bike not doing exactly what you want or think it will do. At Millville, Ken was so dialed in on that bike second moto. It was an absolute thing of beauty when man and machine come together like that and just annihilate the field.
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bsharkey 7/27/2016 11:48am
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steve.hackler.1 wrote:
Roczen said "humble in victory and humble in defeat". Pretty solid.
I really liked how he didn't play the 'problem card" just owned up. hes had a incredible season this year
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bsharkey 7/27/2016 11:52am
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TXDirt wrote:
Tomac is still fighting that Kawasaki. It seems like the front is too soft or spongy at the top when he enters a corner. I dunno...
Tomac is still fighting that Kawasaki. It seems like the front is too soft or spongy at the top when he enters a corner. I dunno. He definitely is not as comfortable on it yet like he was on his Honda. On the Honda he could do just about anything on it. He seems still timid on the KX in certain motos/tracks.

Hopefully he feels more dialed in next year. Ken this year reminds me of how Tomac was at the start of last year. Just a beast and can make the bike do what he wants when he wants it without any fear of the bike not doing exactly what you want or think it will do. At Millville, Ken was so dialed in on that bike second moto. It was an absolute thing of beauty when man and machine come together like that and just annihilate the field.
Hondas and suzukis corner pretty dang good. I dont see roczen having a lot of issues. the kawaski is the polar opposite. the truth will be in the pudding when we go back to Sx . if tomac struggles again we know its the bike still
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toroP 7/27/2016 1:11pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
.......Tomac!


Roczen was all class on the podium!! I like him more than I did before!
Tomac was Tomac at Milville. He simply got beat.
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kzizok 7/27/2016 9:07pm
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Its been touch and go for a decent portion of the year for Tomac. I think the fact that he is now consistently in the conversation about winning is huge. Yeah, he still appears to yo-yo a little bit, but now he is yo-yo'ing at the front, with Kenny.

I think he will work his way back up to being a threat everytime he lines up. If Tomac finds his pinnacle speed again, it will be interesting to see how he manages it.

Additionally, Tomac has been in the 450 class since '14 and has had big changes before each one. '14, rookie year, new class, different bike, etc. '15 showed that he progressed but had the huge injury setback. Finally, he entered the '16 season after lot of time off the bike, dealing with the injury recovery, and a whole new team and a new bike. Not to mention any mental issues that can sometimes come after big injuries. To me, its actually remarkable where he is now.
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rubarb 7/27/2016 9:34pm
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What a beast, love watching that guy ride
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51xc 7/28/2016 5:14am
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The Champ wrote:
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but...
roczens little run was cool and all but tomac is gonna do what he always does and dominate roczen. took some time to get there but its all over now.
Park Boys wrote:
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
isn't this tomacs first 450 mx season where he didn't miss races due to injury?
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Crush 7/28/2016 5:51am
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Park Boys wrote:
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
Eh?

They've bot got a regional title against each other. About have a national title against each other.

Are you counting Kenny's 14 title? Eli didn't start that 450 season till Millville right?
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RG1 7/28/2016 7:17am
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Park Boys wrote:
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
Crush wrote:
Eh? They've bot got a regional title against each other. About have a national title against each other. Are you counting Kenny's 14 title? Eli didn't...
Eh?

They've bot got a regional title against each other. About have a national title against each other.

Are you counting Kenny's 14 title? Eli didn't start that 450 season till Millville right?
Are you sure Eli won a SX title against Kenny? I don't remember that
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ML512 7/28/2016 8:32am
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Park Boys wrote:
Tomac has won one title against Roczen. Roczen is working on his 3rd against Tomac....
Crush wrote:
Eh? They've bot got a regional title against each other. About have a national title against each other. Are you counting Kenny's 14 title? Eli didn't...
Eh?

They've bot got a regional title against each other. About have a national title against each other.

Are you counting Kenny's 14 title? Eli didn't start that 450 season till Millville right?
RG1 wrote:
Are you sure Eli won a SX title against Kenny? I don't remember that
Eli won his West coast SX 250 title in 2012, when Ken Roczen was on the East coast... Ken lost that title to Justin Barcia.

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