Whats wrong with Herlings doing

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Edited Date/Time 5/2/2016 1:42am
His Job ?

Lots of hate spewing at this kid for doing what He gets paid to do. Win races!
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5/1/2016 4:21pm
People think MX/SX is more of a reality show than a sport and I don't know if they get that it's pretty damn tough to make a living of it
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5/1/2016 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2016 4:24pm
Yeah, Mookie is 23 and he's still racing 250's Laughing Foreign Riders get little respect in this country...
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5/1/2016 4:27pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yeah, Mookie is 23 and he's still racing 250's Laughing Foreign Riders get little respect in this country...
Indeed, but he is not winning every race by 30 sec+

It's boring to watch.
5/1/2016 4:31pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yeah, Mookie is 23 and he's still racing 250's Laughing Foreign Riders get little respect in this country...


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5/1/2016 4:34pm
Give the class equal billing and take the age and other restrictions away and it's no issue. The way the rules are now, it is supposed to be a development class and Herlings is pretty well developed already.
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5/1/2016 4:35pm
Plugga wrote:
Indeed, but he is not winning every race by 30 sec+

It's boring to watch.
Boring to watch.. Maybe we could ask him to slow down to let everyone catch up? We should have asked dungey to do the same as well?Blink
5/1/2016 4:37pm
Let them race the 250 class their whole career, nothing wrong with that. Just like some guys only raced the 500s race whatever class your are the best at. Gaston Rahier was three time 125 world champ and no one gave him shit about it.
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5/1/2016 4:38pm
Plugga wrote:
Indeed, but he is not winning every race by 30 sec+

It's boring to watch.
tempura wrote:
Boring to watch.. Maybe we could ask him to slow down to let everyone catch up? We should have asked dungey to do the same as...
Boring to watch.. Maybe we could ask him to slow down to let everyone catch up? We should have asked dungey to do the same as well?Blink
Maybe we could ask him to move up a class and race riders of the same ability?Blink
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5/1/2016 4:41pm
Plugga wrote:
Maybe we could ask him to move up a class and race riders of the same ability?Blink
He will move up, it's gunna happen. Relax..
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5/1/2016 4:42pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2016 4:46pm
hellion wrote:
Give the class equal billing and take the age and other restrictions away and it's no issue. The way the rules are now, it is supposed...
Give the class equal billing and take the age and other restrictions away and it's no issue. The way the rules are now, it is supposed to be a development class and Herlings is pretty well developed already.
Exactly

As it stands now MX2 is designed to be a support class were younger riders new to GP racing gain experience. Nothing more. If it was a title in anyway equal to MX1 anybody could ride MX2.

Herlings is simply more interested in winning support class titles than moving up to race real competition. He has spoke about his hundreds of times.

This year it's really hard to watch considering several of the top riders (Not Herlings) moved up to MX1. No one has really stepped up so MX2 is incredibly weak.
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5/1/2016 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2016 4:51pm
h&m_cycle wrote:
Yeah, Mookie is 23 and he's still racing 250's Laughing Foreign Riders get little respect in this country...
when did mookie start racing pro? Was he 16? No. Herlings was 15, 7 years in the same class is too much. It would be the equivalent of Jeremy Martin staying in the 250 class here if he would get injured this year, and then just continue to do so for a few more years to continue to try to win as many titles and wins as possible.


The Davalos argument doesnt hold much weight, Martin is always injured, look at his total points from when he started until now. Injured quite regularly and never a champion. Should Davalos be moved up, yeah he probably should have, but I have less of a problem with Davalos staying down than I ever will with Herlings. Davalos has never had a legit chance at any title until 2014; then surprise, he got injured.


IMO nothing else really compares to keeping Herling in MX2, that I have ever seen in MX. The kid has multiple titles, tons of speed. I think it is an injustice to the fans keep him at MX2. Throw him to the lions, he is supposed to be so fast, he is supposed to outrun them anyway.
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Maybe we could ask him to move up a class and race riders of the same ability?Blink
tempura wrote:
He will move up, it's gunna happen. Relax..
I know. I'm really keen to see how he goes. Cool

I think most fans are the same. It's not hate more frustration.
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5/1/2016 4:48pm
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I know. I'm really keen to see how he goes. Cool

I think most fans are the same. It's not hate more frustration.
He'll be in contention for wins, or he could just smoke the pack.
Agree, it will be interesting.
5/1/2016 4:51pm
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Exactly As it stands now MX2 is designed to be a support class were younger riders new to GP racing gain experience. Nothing more. If it...
Exactly

As it stands now MX2 is designed to be a support class were younger riders new to GP racing gain experience. Nothing more. If it was a title in anyway equal to MX1 anybody could ride MX2.

Herlings is simply more interested in winning support class titles than moving up to race real competition. He has spoke about his hundreds of times.

This year it's really hard to watch considering several of the top riders (Not Herlings) moved up to MX1. No one has really stepped up so MX2 is incredibly weak.
You just redefined the support class...

To be honest had Ferrandis not crashed at round 2 IMO he would have made the MX2 title harder on him than TG and Febvre would have in the big class. And it's not his problem that Ferrandis gets injured or that Anstie has today finally finished both motos for the first time this season.
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5/1/2016 4:51pm
Let them race the 250 class their whole career, nothing wrong with that. Just like some guys only raced the 500s race whatever class your are...
Let them race the 250 class their whole career, nothing wrong with that. Just like some guys only raced the 500s race whatever class your are the best at. Gaston Rahier was three time 125 world champ and no one gave him shit about it.
It's a "everyone gets a trophy world", Jeffy needs to move up because he's too fast so another guy
can win...
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5/1/2016 5:03pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2016 6:20pm
mx 219 wrote:
when did mookie start racing pro? Was he 16? No. Herlings was 15, 7 years in the same class is too much. It would be the...
when did mookie start racing pro? Was he 16? No. Herlings was 15, 7 years in the same class is too much. It would be the equivalent of Jeremy Martin staying in the 250 class here if he would get injured this year, and then just continue to do so for a few more years to continue to try to win as many titles and wins as possible.


The Davalos argument doesnt hold much weight, Martin is always injured, look at his total points from when he started until now. Injured quite regularly and never a champion. Should Davalos be moved up, yeah he probably should have, but I have less of a problem with Davalos staying down than I ever will with Herlings. Davalos has never had a legit chance at any title until 2014; then surprise, he got injured.


IMO nothing else really compares to keeping Herling in MX2, that I have ever seen in MX. The kid has multiple titles, tons of speed. I think it is an injustice to the fans keep him at MX2. Throw him to the lions, he is supposed to be so fast, he is supposed to outrun them anyway.
Great post.

The difference isn't how old they are or years they have spent in the class so much.

It's about years in the class while absolutely dominating. Seven years in MX2, Two titles, many years of 150 point leads early in the season, sweeping the whole series, consistent two second per lap faster lap times than his compeition, consistently lapping well into the top ten, just complete domination no matter if he won the title or got hurt nobody was in the same league as him. Honestly it's been four years since anybody could do it consistently (2012 Searle). Over the past two seasons Gasjer, Guillod, and I think Trixier all beat him straight up at certain GP's but they have all moved on to MX1 now.
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5/1/2016 5:04pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2016 5:08pm
Let them race the 250 class their whole career, nothing wrong with that. Just like some guys only raced the 500s race whatever class your are...
Let them race the 250 class their whole career, nothing wrong with that. Just like some guys only raced the 500s race whatever class your are the best at. Gaston Rahier was three time 125 world champ and no one gave him shit about it.
Gaston raced 250 and 500 GPs , Nationals and Internationals in the (later) 60s. Yes, he was no spring chicken - he was 28 years of age in 1975, his first year of winning the 125s. One of the absolute Greats.

Herlings can do what he wants / do what his employers requires of him.

So far, he has just 2 MX2 World Championships, and a shit load of serious injuries.

Far too many here whine about him, whilst ignoring their own multi time 125 champions, and, an over 30 rider that won a regional SX series. Plus, rabbiting on about unbeaten seasons from riders who never then ventured onto other challenges. So many of those same whiners now seem to find a bit of dominance, requires the mediocrity of 'Chase' schemes to be a good thing.

Herlings comes across as a bit of a twat - yes - an ego maniac, but most top riders are that way. Most though, hide it a far better than him. If he would back off on all his crap about getting the most GP wins ever , it would be better for his image, I think.

But, I don't think he gives a damn about opinions, here. or elsewhere. He's probably close to, if not, the highest paid MXer in the World - it's not only a few US riders that have negotiated big win bonuses, you know
5/1/2016 5:10pm
Lurked on here long enough and finally made an account today lol. I can see where people would be upset that he didn't move up but you have to think that Cairoli probably wants all focus on him
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5/1/2016 5:25pm
I think Cairoli really doesn't give a fuck about Herlings.
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5/1/2016 6:03pm
Change the rules and let him run his 250 in the MXGP class. Problem solved. Not enough difference in performance between 250/450 these days to make a guy change and a lot of downside to moving up if you get injured like a lot of guys do trying to make the transisition.
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5/1/2016 6:13pm
Herlings was several seconds faster then the leaders in mxgp, it doesn't matter what class he rides in , the guy is just a freak on a bike! Love to watch him ride! And mx2 is not a support class.
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5/1/2016 6:19pm
imagine all the wins if he stayed injury free, people would really be pissed
5/1/2016 6:19pm
I think all he wants to do is have a perfect season before going into mx1.
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Herlings was several seconds faster then the leaders in mxgp, it doesn't matter what class he rides in , the guy is just a freak on...
Herlings was several seconds faster then the leaders in mxgp, it doesn't matter what class he rides in , the guy is just a freak on a bike! Love to watch him ride! And mx2 is not a support class.
Not the same track.
5/2/2016 1:35am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2016 1:40am
mx 219 wrote:
when did mookie start racing pro? Was he 16? No. Herlings was 15, 7 years in the same class is too much. It would be the...
when did mookie start racing pro? Was he 16? No. Herlings was 15, 7 years in the same class is too much. It would be the equivalent of Jeremy Martin staying in the 250 class here if he would get injured this year, and then just continue to do so for a few more years to continue to try to win as many titles and wins as possible.


The Davalos argument doesnt hold much weight, Martin is always injured, look at his total points from when he started until now. Injured quite regularly and never a champion. Should Davalos be moved up, yeah he probably should have, but I have less of a problem with Davalos staying down than I ever will with Herlings. Davalos has never had a legit chance at any title until 2014; then surprise, he got injured.


IMO nothing else really compares to keeping Herling in MX2, that I have ever seen in MX. The kid has multiple titles, tons of speed. I think it is an injustice to the fans keep him at MX2. Throw him to the lions, he is supposed to be so fast, he is supposed to outrun them anyway.
Paul333 wrote:
Great post. The difference isn't how old they are or years they have spent in the class so much. It's about years in the class while...
Great post.

The difference isn't how old they are or years they have spent in the class so much.

It's about years in the class while absolutely dominating. Seven years in MX2, Two titles, many years of 150 point leads early in the season, sweeping the whole series, consistent two second per lap faster lap times than his compeition, consistently lapping well into the top ten, just complete domination no matter if he won the title or got hurt nobody was in the same league as him. Honestly it's been four years since anybody could do it consistently (2012 Searle). Over the past two seasons Gasjer, Guillod, and I think Trixier all beat him straight up at certain GP's but they have all moved on to MX1 now.
yeah how about Forkner , still racing amatures at 17 .... Laughing Laughing Laughing

its called a worldchampionship , so must be a legit championship dont you think ? its not a national title , a national title should be called a support class title .....

keep crying Paul ........keep repeating week after week , damn you really love this mx scene he
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5/2/2016 1:42am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2016 1:45am
So just because you're insanely good as 15,16 or 17 years old and go pro you have to jump to a 450 when you're 18 years old?

Herlings was 18(!!!) years old when he won his second title. And after the second title everything went to shit. Most of the american prospects are still riding "amateur" events at that time. Forkner won a AX main event and rode an "amateur" race a couple of weeks after that. That is true sandbagging. And it isn't even Forkners fault.

People forget that he has had so many injuries(bad ones). Ffs, he even tried to race with the broken femur. Please tell me one rider in the world that would do the same thing?

Yes it sucks that he is still in mx2. But he is 21 years old. People often forget that and the gnarly injuries that he had to come through the past 2 seasons.

He will win the title this year and move up for 2017.

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