Josh hill electric bike

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4/22/2016 10:16am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2016 10:17am
I wonder what Alta's plans are for this bike. It's not eligible for AMA competition, I'm just wondering if its eligible for a Grand Prix as the rules are slightly different. What do you reckon the chances are that they maybe show to the Glen Helen GP?

Edit: I suppose the other question would be would the bike last long enough to complete a moto?
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RG1 wrote:
I wonder what Alta's plans are for this bike. It's not eligible for AMA competition, I'm just wondering if its eligible for a Grand Prix as...
I wonder what Alta's plans are for this bike. It's not eligible for AMA competition, I'm just wondering if its eligible for a Grand Prix as the rules are slightly different. What do you reckon the chances are that they maybe show to the Glen Helen GP?

Edit: I suppose the other question would be would the bike last long enough to complete a moto?
their best bet would be trying to race thunder valley with the 250s
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4/22/2016 11:36am
this thing would be legal to race at the local/amateur level right? any open class I assume? thing is very cool would love to try one!
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I am equally intrigued by both E-bikes and people's resistance to them. Whether or not you like them, electric vehicles (of all kinds) are the future. MXers were resistant to four-strokes at first, thinking that the then large and heavy machines would never be able to compete (performance, handling, weight, etc...) with the tried and true 2-strokes of the time.

Well, we're now 20 years into this whole 4-stroke thing and they've pretty much left 2-strokes in the dust. Now E-bikes are coming, and resist and complain all you want, but sometime in the future, be it 10 years or 30 years from now, every serious motocross racer will have an electric motorcycle in the garage. I have no doubt about this. Sure, the ol' combustion engine will still be around, but performance-wise it will eclipsed by the electric motors of 2026 or 2046.

Just like any other industry, performance shops, retailers and the MX industry at large will either adapt or be left behind. At the moment e-bikes are in their infancy, and just like when motocross itself was in its early years, manfacturers and tinkerers of all kinds are trying to find the right combination while thinking outside the box of what is currently available and inventing new concepts along the way. Much as the evolution of motorsports has gone, we will begin to see more of a trickle down from Formula 1 (and Formula E) and MotoGP (or something like Moto E) as the electronics become light enough, powerful enough and tough enough for the rigors of motocross racing. This is an exciting time in the world of electronic vehicles are we are getting a front seat to the show.

Can E-bikes currently hang with 4-stroke motocross machinery? No, but they soon will and I, for one, am looking forward to the ride.

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4/22/2016 1:17pm
A few years ago at the Millville national they had a race early evening on Friday on somewhat of a hare scrambles track set up alongside the creek back behind and east of the starting gate. Some guy raced what I think was a Quantas electric. Did real well, I think second or third. I'm thinking it was said to be a "pitbike" race but I think the guy who won it was on a supermini. The first three had a pretty big gap from the rest of the pack. Just a lot of chain noise when the electric came past. I was impressed. It was around a 20 min race if I remember right.
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I like the way it's going! Kudos to altas

Seen the electric races at the iOM, started off with a few bikes lapping a average of about 95mph now the record stand at average of 119mph, over 37 miles. This is since mugen have put a bike together albeit worth about a million they have cradle it. Almost lapping as quick as the 600s. , the technology is there, surely that could be converted over to Mx. With increased demand, i really hope we see these more often.

If it means more places to ride, I'm in favour, let's face it the only issue with our sport it noise!
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4/22/2016 4:31pm
PalerBlue wrote:
Don't worry, motorcycles haven't replaced horses entirely and the E-bike won't replace the petrol driven motorcycle completely either. Just think 100 years ago the were folk...
Don't worry, motorcycles haven't replaced horses entirely and the E-bike won't replace the petrol driven motorcycle completely either.

Just think 100 years ago the were folk just like some of you here, "damn it, if it don't eat hay, I ain't slinging my leg over it"

Hey, if it's just the sound how about trying this Evil
Is there actually lineage of horse racing in motocross?
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4/22/2016 6:52pm
flymoto wrote:
I like the way it's going! Kudos to altas Seen the electric races at the iOM, started off with a few bikes lapping a average of...
I like the way it's going! Kudos to altas

Seen the electric races at the iOM, started off with a few bikes lapping a average of about 95mph now the record stand at average of 119mph, over 37 miles. This is since mugen have put a bike together albeit worth about a million they have cradle it. Almost lapping as quick as the 600s. , the technology is there, surely that could be converted over to Mx. With increased demand, i really hope we see these more often.

If it means more places to ride, I'm in favour, let's face it the only issue with our sport it noise!
I've been to the IOM the last 5 years, and yes, the E bikes have progressed remarkably.

Gobsmacking bikes. Well, some of them.

I've no problem with an Electric future - hell as long as I can still ride, I'll be happy. ICE engined vehicles will be around for a long time to come.

The key, as everyone says, is Battery Tech - it's as simple as that. Range, Weight, Cost.

The Mugen is around 260KG. McG apparently loves it, after his first regarding it as a bit of a joke. Says (and other say it) it makes Moto GP tech look passe'. The huge weight, does make for an incredibly favourable Sprung to Unsprung weight ratio, that he says makes it great on the IOM course.

I'm hoping he can loose the 10kg (I think that's the 'deal') that's the verbal agreement with HRC/ Mugen in getting to keep one of the Mugens. He wants one. IF it ever happens, I'd say it would have some serious, signed paperwork to go along with it as to non disclosure / non tampering, and still remaining Honda's - it's called a Mugen, but hell, it's Honda - ultimate property.

Not knocking his wins on the E Bike, McG is incredible, but they are one lap races. It will get really, Really interesting when they extend them to multiple laps.

I've got to ride Quantyas and KTM E bikes a few times on my trips to Europe - the Quantyas were still towards the glorified MTB bike side at the time I rode those, and, off course, the KTM is, essentially, the Freeride Chassis. There are quite a few E Bike parks over there with them available to ride. They have startling performance for what they are, and, I think the Freeride E bike may just trump the 250 and 350 in performance up to a point, where gearing then comes into play. The KTM E Bikes battery can be replaced in a few minutes, but, it would be costly to have one lying around as a spare.........I'd like to ride a KTM E motored EXC / SX chassis'd bike. I've ridden Brammos in the states - now owned by Victory. It will be interesting to see how it goes at Pikes Peak this year - I think Don Canet has got a third outright in the MC class previously on a Ducati Multistrada, so he's not a 'squid'. I think Pikes Peak has already been won (outright in the Motorcycle classes?) by an E Bike?

However, Noise is Not the Only issue with our sport - the arseholes we are up against, will always find something to try to stop us with.
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4/22/2016 7:11pm
Bearuno wrote:
I've been to the IOM the last 5 years, and yes, the E bikes have progressed remarkably. Gobsmacking bikes. Well, some of them. I've no problem...
I've been to the IOM the last 5 years, and yes, the E bikes have progressed remarkably.

Gobsmacking bikes. Well, some of them.

I've no problem with an Electric future - hell as long as I can still ride, I'll be happy. ICE engined vehicles will be around for a long time to come.

The key, as everyone says, is Battery Tech - it's as simple as that. Range, Weight, Cost.

The Mugen is around 260KG. McG apparently loves it, after his first regarding it as a bit of a joke. Says (and other say it) it makes Moto GP tech look passe'. The huge weight, does make for an incredibly favourable Sprung to Unsprung weight ratio, that he says makes it great on the IOM course.

I'm hoping he can loose the 10kg (I think that's the 'deal') that's the verbal agreement with HRC/ Mugen in getting to keep one of the Mugens. He wants one. IF it ever happens, I'd say it would have some serious, signed paperwork to go along with it as to non disclosure / non tampering, and still remaining Honda's - it's called a Mugen, but hell, it's Honda - ultimate property.

Not knocking his wins on the E Bike, McG is incredible, but they are one lap races. It will get really, Really interesting when they extend them to multiple laps.

I've got to ride Quantyas and KTM E bikes a few times on my trips to Europe - the Quantyas were still towards the glorified MTB bike side at the time I rode those, and, off course, the KTM is, essentially, the Freeride Chassis. There are quite a few E Bike parks over there with them available to ride. They have startling performance for what they are, and, I think the Freeride E bike may just trump the 250 and 350 in performance up to a point, where gearing then comes into play. The KTM E Bikes battery can be replaced in a few minutes, but, it would be costly to have one lying around as a spare.........I'd like to ride a KTM E motored EXC / SX chassis'd bike. I've ridden Brammos in the states - now owned by Victory. It will be interesting to see how it goes at Pikes Peak this year - I think Don Canet has got a third outright in the MC class previously on a Ducati Multistrada, so he's not a 'squid'. I think Pikes Peak has already been won (outright in the Motorcycle classes?) by an E Bike?

However, Noise is Not the Only issue with our sport - the arseholes we are up against, will always find something to try to stop us with.
lightning motorcycles won pikes peak on the ls-218. i think ive heard that motoczysz will be back at the iom this year
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I know i'm in the minority here, but I'm excited about the electric bike technology. I love the sound of a perfectly tuned combustion engine just...
I know i'm in the minority here, but I'm excited about the electric bike technology. I love the sound of a perfectly tuned combustion engine just as much as the next guy, but I would trade all that in a heartbeat if it meant more riding areas. Obviously, that's yet to be seen, but I hope that's the case.
As much as I'd like to see more riding areas, I don't know if it will happen even with electric rides. I've seen a few trails...
As much as I'd like to see more riding areas, I don't know if it will happen even with electric rides. I've seen a few trails get closed to mountain bikes, because of the "impact" on the environment.
With that same logic, you better ban hikers and horses for the same exact effect impact they have on the environment.
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4/22/2016 8:27pm
I used to rig cans on my bicycle tire when I was a kid to make it sound like a dirtbike.
Thanks to the larger energy drink cans the electric
Bikes can have that dirtbike sound!
Now if they can make a poop pouri spray that smells like Premix....
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es337 wrote:
lightning motorcycles won pikes peak on the ls-218. i think ive heard that motoczysz will be back at the iom this year
So, Michael Czyszx is still with us?

Last I read ( I admit I haven't followed up on his illness) he had bought either a 1198 "with everything" , or a Panigale (along the same lines), and was just riding at every opportunity - I think in an article he said something that everything that could be done for his condition, had been done, and he was going to live what was perhaps left of his life, to the full.

It would be so good if he is indeed, healthy.

The MotoCzyszx's E1pc's were just incredible, with their earlier winnings and places at the IOM, and, in other E bike races. He really brought E Racers on from 'great big boxes of batteries, crammed into a GSXR chassis' bikes. Gorgeous things, though, I think it was the '12 bike, that quite freaked me out with just the seat, without a rear tail piece to wedge the rider in place - I had visions of Michael Rutter (1st) and Mark Miller (3rd) slipping of the back or the seat, and getting wedged between it and the rear wheel / hugger / swingarm.

Yikes - coverage from the DH WC rd2 from Cairns has just started - I'm off. I was supposed to be there, but the news of my long estranged fathers death this week has kept me home.

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