Roczen To HRC Honda Is A Done Deal...

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Helder 4/17/2016 11:41pm
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Are we talking $12m a year or $12m over the 5 year contract??
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Yeah it seems like Roczen to HRC is done. And it makes sense.

The interesting thing in my opinion is the Gajser situation. He has said that he wants to race in USA in the future and what if he wins the MXGP title this year in his rookie season? Will he move to USA after this season? Roczen and Gajser on the same team? Mamma mia.
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BobPA 4/17/2016 11:53pm
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Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Waiting on a cancer test is called "stress". Because it's largely out of your control. I'm talking about the type of pressure one feels when things...
Waiting on a cancer test is called "stress". Because it's largely out of your control.

I'm talking about the type of pressure one feels when things are in their control but they arent getting the results they want despite trying everything they got to get the results.

You just see the paycheck and think he's got it made. His "lottery ticket" has strings attached. Money does not solve problems, it amplifies them. That's coming from someone that has been both so broke that I didnt know where my next meal was coming from and at other times of my life had more $ than I knew how to spend.

A winning lottery ticket wont erase the pain of finding out you have terminal cancer. Roczen's paycheck isnt going to make losing a race any easier to accept.

In a non-chase format season, going the way his current 2016 season is going, things would be VERY intense in the HRC pits right now for any rider getting $12m a year. That's Valentino Rossi type money. You got people that had to convince Honda bean counters that $12m would get them a championship. People's jobs are on the line. Everyone knows it. Everyone feels it. And it builds with every race. The folks at HRC dont roll over. They work harder and harder and harder until they get the results they expect. Eventually every stone gets overturned and then EVERYONE is looking at the rider like, "you're the only part of this equation that isnt delivering".

Ive worked for a factory team during a situation just like this. They broke the bank for a rider they thought would win them a title. Major strings had to be pulled to get the budget to sign him. It's a very intense environment if things arent going as planned.

But I agree with Sully. This is what Roczen needed. He's at the right point of his career where this will be good for him. I think Dungey has his work cut out for him. And due to the chase format, Im gonna pick Roczen to win the title next year.
Um, I think if someone gave me $20 million dollars I would be able to accept losing a race on a motorcycle fairly easy
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kongols 4/17/2016 11:58pm
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Helder wrote:
Are we talking $12m a year or $12m over the 5 year contract??
12 a year would be awesome, but no.

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Ghost of Jabroni 4/18/2016 12:44am
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Waiting on a cancer test is called "stress". Because it's largely out of your control. I'm talking about the type of pressure one feels when things...
Waiting on a cancer test is called "stress". Because it's largely out of your control.

I'm talking about the type of pressure one feels when things are in their control but they arent getting the results they want despite trying everything they got to get the results.

You just see the paycheck and think he's got it made. His "lottery ticket" has strings attached. Money does not solve problems, it amplifies them. That's coming from someone that has been both so broke that I didnt know where my next meal was coming from and at other times of my life had more $ than I knew how to spend.

A winning lottery ticket wont erase the pain of finding out you have terminal cancer. Roczen's paycheck isnt going to make losing a race any easier to accept.

In a non-chase format season, going the way his current 2016 season is going, things would be VERY intense in the HRC pits right now for any rider getting $12m a year. That's Valentino Rossi type money. You got people that had to convince Honda bean counters that $12m would get them a championship. People's jobs are on the line. Everyone knows it. Everyone feels it. And it builds with every race. The folks at HRC dont roll over. They work harder and harder and harder until they get the results they expect. Eventually every stone gets overturned and then EVERYONE is looking at the rider like, "you're the only part of this equation that isnt delivering".

Ive worked for a factory team during a situation just like this. They broke the bank for a rider they thought would win them a title. Major strings had to be pulled to get the budget to sign him. It's a very intense environment if things arent going as planned.

But I agree with Sully. This is what Roczen needed. He's at the right point of his career where this will be good for him. I think Dungey has his work cut out for him. And due to the chase format, Im gonna pick Roczen to win the title next year.
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Um, I think if someone gave me $20 million dollars I would be able to accept losing a race on a motorcycle fairly easy
1. That'd make u a sociopath. There's an entire team of people working their asses off to make sure u win. Nothing worse than having to face ur team & employer after u have let them down. And yea, at $12m, second place is a let down in HRC's eyes.

2. If losing didnt bother u, u'd have to be heartless, but most of all, you'd never make it to this level of competition in the first place.

3. Nobody is paying him for 2nd place. He's getting paid "championship or bust" money. And racing for one of the proudest companies involved in motorsport. U cant really project your standards on to them. It's apples to oranges dont u think?

I think it's safe to say most of us would love to get paid millions to come in 2nd place. But that pretty much explains why none of us race at that level.
KiwiBermRailer 4/18/2016 1:14am
4/18/2016 1:14am
Not a Honda fan at all but being a Kenny fan I believe this is what he needs. Get Gasjer over next year after he wins the MX1 and Honda will be all over it outdoors.

I'd like to see them on '96 CR250's also. Honda reads Vital....
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kkawboy14 4/18/2016 1:35am
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12 mil guaranteed plus incentives? The kawboy would ride a Honda for that!

He's already got all the free tattoos he wants!
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51xc 4/18/2016 2:15am
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not to forget kenny is probably THE mx guy in social media. people like him because he is pretty active across all social media platforms and gives away a lot of his daily life. nobody would pay that money to a champion that is not popular.
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kkawboy14 4/18/2016 2:21am
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51xc wrote:
not to forget kenny is probably THE mx guy in social media. people like him because he is pretty active across all social media platforms and...
not to forget kenny is probably THE mx guy in social media. people like him because he is pretty active across all social media platforms and gives away a lot of his daily life. nobody would pay that money to a champion that is not popular.
I have a rebuttal to your claim.... RV, zero media personality, had a GIANT Kawasaki contract, people liked him because he won! Then they hated him because he won! Then they hated him because he lost! Because they didn't know him.

Win or lose people like Roczen, well because they feel like they know HIM from his awesome exposure/contact. Smart kid!
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Helder 4/18/2016 2:48am
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It would be nice if the contracts were public like footy played etc.
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ga_pike 4/18/2016 3:07am
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UpTiTe wrote:
The rumor I heard is that it will make him the highest paid rider, EVER.
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Big-time pressure. Highly talented, charismatic, and in his prime. And also as marketable an athlete as it gets when you consider he's got both a domestic...
Big-time pressure.

Highly talented, charismatic, and in his prime. And also as marketable an athlete as it gets when you consider he's got both a domestic and international following. It's not unjustified money tbh. I just hope he can handle the pressure cooker, cause it's going to be intense.

There's a reason only a few have the mental makeup to win while under that Honda tent. Other than RC and MC (2 of the 3 greatest ever) who else has been able to deliver for the team with the biggest budget? Nobody.

Dungey will be waiting and ready. We're gonna be in for a real show next year.
David Bailey, Ricky Johnson, Jeff Stanton... they would all like a word.
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Flatliner 4/18/2016 4:03am
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It's not going to be 12 mil a year. This is mx guys.

Not even sure where this insane figure came from.
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EEE299 4/18/2016 4:20am
4/18/2016 4:20am Edited Date/Time 4/18/2016 4:22am
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is too)

For all we know Dungey will retire before KR's contract is up Tongue

It is true most of us will love Kenny regardless, and that's why he is getting the big bucks.
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RG1 4/18/2016 5:00am
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I heard $3 million a year at Valkenswaard
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kkawboy14 4/18/2016 5:17am
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RG1 wrote:
I heard $3 million a year at Valkenswaard
Probably more like $2 mil guaranteed per year for 5 years...$10 mil.

Plus a $1 mil per championship delivered, plus $150k per win, plus a Honda generator


A 5 year guarantee is worth a move!
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MR. X 4/18/2016 5:21am
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Wasn't RC getting 4 million a year from honda?
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mmcmx 4/18/2016 5:26am
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BobPA wrote:
Um, I think if someone gave me $20 million dollars I would be able to accept losing a race on a motorcycle fairly easy
And that's why no one plans on giving that to you anytime soon.
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kongols 4/18/2016 5:30am
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RG1 wrote:
I heard $3 million a year at Valkenswaard
I heard 11 for 5 years + bonuses.

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crusty_xx 4/18/2016 5:31am
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51xc wrote:
not to forget kenny is probably THE mx guy in social media. people like him because he is pretty active across all social media platforms and...
not to forget kenny is probably THE mx guy in social media. people like him because he is pretty active across all social media platforms and gives away a lot of his daily life. nobody would pay that money to a champion that is not popular.
That's it!
As much as I like Tomac (for example), he will probably never make as much money as Roczen for that reason. Even if he puts in exactly the similar results.
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CarlinoJoeVideo 4/18/2016 6:10am
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Don't forget after his agent take their % then taxes he's looking at like 8m in the bank after 5 years. Then paying all the people around him like bus driver, maybe practice facility, mechanics, ect. It cost a lot to be at his level.

But hopefully his bonus pay well, his RedBull deal, Fox and Oakley won't be chump change.
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EEE299 wrote:
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is...
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is too)

For all we know Dungey will retire before KR's contract is up Tongue

It is true most of us will love Kenny regardless, and that's why he is getting the big bucks.
I predict RD retires at the end of 2017.
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MR. X 4/18/2016 6:21am
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I predict RD retires at the end of 2017.
Then everyone can start topics about how much weight he gained.Laughing
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EEE299 4/18/2016 6:31am
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EEE299 wrote:
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is...
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is too)

For all we know Dungey will retire before KR's contract is up Tongue

It is true most of us will love Kenny regardless, and that's why he is getting the big bucks.
JSmith wrote:
I predict RD retires at the end of 2017.
Who knows what will happen, but it is hard to believe RD will still be racing in 5 years. I think he is likely to want to go out on top. Where KR is 5 years younger I believe.

This is assuming KR doesn't beat RD straight up at some point too, which is not impossible obviously. Either way I think it is a great move by HRC even with the high dollar contract.
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gpracer36 4/18/2016 6:33am
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you are wrong about Seeley, he signed. Had offers, signed with Honda
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davistld01 4/18/2016 6:36am
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EEE299 wrote:
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is...
I'm very confident KR will get at least one title indoor or out in the 10 possible championships over the next 5 years. (clearly HRC is too)

For all we know Dungey will retire before KR's contract is up Tongue

It is true most of us will love Kenny regardless, and that's why he is getting the big bucks.
JSmith wrote:
I predict RD retires at the end of 2017.
That's probably a safe bet. I see the guy winning another title in '17 and walking away on his own terms. He's not stupid enough not to hear the footsteps of the younger guys behind him, and has absolutely nothing left to prove. He's rich, healthy, is very articulate and has a beautiful wife. He has plenty of life ahead of him to enjoy all that.
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newmann 4/18/2016 6:45am
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I remember a 5 year deal for the most money ever going south back around 1992.

And Roczen's deal is good and all that but the question remains, does he get to bring the DJ booth with him to Honda?


Seriously though, Roczen has to be the most marketable rider out there at the moment. The kid has it all.
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Rooster 4/18/2016 6:46am
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UpTiTe wrote:
The rumor I heard is that it will make him the highest paid rider, EVER.
Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Big-time pressure. Highly talented, charismatic, and in his prime. And also as marketable an athlete as it gets when you consider he's got both a domestic...
Big-time pressure.

Highly talented, charismatic, and in his prime. And also as marketable an athlete as it gets when you consider he's got both a domestic and international following. It's not unjustified money tbh. I just hope he can handle the pressure cooker, cause it's going to be intense.

There's a reason only a few have the mental makeup to win while under that Honda tent. Other than RC and MC (2 of the 3 greatest ever) who else has been able to deliver for the team with the biggest budget? Nobody.

Dungey will be waiting and ready. We're gonna be in for a real show next year.
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David Bailey, Ricky Johnson, Jeff Stanton... they would all like a word.
As would Hansen, Lamson, O'Mara, Chandler, Hannah......
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gspointer 4/18/2016 6:59am
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UpTiTe wrote:
The rumor I heard is that it will make him the highest paid rider, EVER.
Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Big-time pressure. Highly talented, charismatic, and in his prime. And also as marketable an athlete as it gets when you consider he's got both a domestic...
Big-time pressure.

Highly talented, charismatic, and in his prime. And also as marketable an athlete as it gets when you consider he's got both a domestic and international following. It's not unjustified money tbh. I just hope he can handle the pressure cooker, cause it's going to be intense.

There's a reason only a few have the mental makeup to win while under that Honda tent. Other than RC and MC (2 of the 3 greatest ever) who else has been able to deliver for the team with the biggest budget? Nobody.

Dungey will be waiting and ready. We're gonna be in for a real show next year.
If this is true, regarding Honda and the unique pressures involved in racing for them, they need a clean sweep of their program from top to bottom as it is clearly not working out for them anymore.
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BobPA 4/18/2016 7:02am
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Um, I think if someone gave me $20 million dollars I would be able to accept losing a race on a motorcycle fairly easy
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And that's why no one plans on giving that to you anytime soon.
That, and lack of talent....not to mention I have a different career path other than motorcycles.

Sr_Vet_Rider 4/18/2016 7:19am
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It's a 5 year deal and is for stupid money. Canard is out. The Kawi rumors are true and that deal is done but don't have...
It's a 5 year deal and is for stupid money.

Canard is out. The Kawi rumors are true and that deal is done but don't have any details on it.

Seelys 2 year deal is not signed yet, regardless of what you might hear. He has offers from KTM and a Suzuki team but will likely be back with HRC.

Welcome to last week !! Your insider source is lagging !!

You are incorrect about Seely, he signed with Honda already.... That's a FACT

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