we r starting a riders union

thanks grant and everyone else. hope this makes it down to the local level as well. if ya'll tracks change so will ours. just wish it would have caught on when james eikel tried starting it a few years back, but I think he was going for money over safety when it should ahve been visa versa. go WFO Grant and whoever else is supporting this.

At dayton how many ate it where Grant did?was there a lot in practice?

where RV crashedI have not seen the race) how many crashed and was that jump done all night by all??


In 2002 I watched KW14 break his femur on a jump that had rc and tp plus a few others nearly crashing many times in practice.That jump was done 2 or 3 times by Rc during the race.TP did it a few times,otherwise it was not done and little time lost if any.

riders are going to jump as far as can be,they will wad on flat ground.

what needs to be thought of is crash area.

You dont build a wall jump at the end of a 40 mph whoop section.

You dont have a post beside the track.

You can not make a track,jump wise,safe,but you sure can make crash areas,ones void of broke off wood stakes.

Are you serious???

Better late than never:

I pulled out some VHS tapes a couple weeks ago and watched some races between the mid 90's and 2000's and it is very apparent that speeds with the new four strokes along with their improved suspension have gone up considerably. Tracks look like they are more spread out too.

The idea of a union of sorts sounds great but just as important as getting the actual riders input to keep tracks relatively safe is the protective gear they use. To me a lot of the upper body injuries especially (separated shoulders, broken ribs, etc.) could easily be minimized with decent protective gear. Most of these guys are wearing no more protection than what was used in the early seventies. It's crazy! No doubt most of the riders will jump on board with the union idea but what about taking reponsibility for their side of the safety issue? Not likely because I suspect for them it is 'better to look good than to feel good'. So what to do? How 'bout the team managers starting their own union to force their riders (via contracts?) to wear proper protective gear whenever they ride a bike.

Here's a James Stewart recent Twitter. Pretty sure he 's talking about the rider's "union".
So much for "Unity". If they change the name, where does he stand? Right behind the L&M lawyer I would guess.


@CBlose It's not legal so I've been instructed to stay out of it. Im pleading the 5th.

support? you guys dont have the balls to start a riders union!

That will make you some quick buddies.

they have the balls to jump triples but not for the business of moto!

if enough riders form a union it might make the whatever rule that the ama or feld has, outlawing unions irrelevant . isn't that the point of unions, strength in numbers?

yes!


in a real world thats how it happens......in moto the industry takes advantage of kids!

That is JS7's answer to this ? by CBlose

@js7 how do I get in this riders union?



@CBlose It's not legal so I've been instructed to stay out of it. Im pleading the 5th.


So i wonder who is instructing JS7 to stay out of it?
I wonder if it is his good buddy/manager pagg....

so you signed up and are sticking with the union no matter what?

oops sorry i see now it is just a commitee to tell somebody to lower a jump not a real union.....carry-on......

And here I was about to let you have it and then you put this up.... Everyone is getting worked up over the word "Union"... I know its a tender subject and word used in the US, first things first and thats the saftey involved. If any have an opportunity to go listen to GL on the Podcast with Matthes then you will understand where this thing will be headed, til then shut the F*&% up and wait and see what happens, then if all goes to hell in a hand basket you can chime in and toot your horns!!!


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Union: the folks who brought you the weekend.

I'd be pretty dissapointed if James went back on his word just because someone saying that...

Like I said, if all the riders stand together they will be fine...

Feld needs them more than they need Feld!

A very apt, and quite touching video in the circumstances.

Gawt dang it.


Hadn't seen it before, that video got me.

x2. Hopefully he was aware some of the riders were taking a big stand finally. Damn, bet he'd have loved to have been involved. Rest in peace.

I hadn't seen this in awhile and to be honest had forgotten his message here.

There is alot of good points in this video. Not necessarily what some people will want to here, everyone should take responsibility.

Long live the legend of Danny "Magoo" Chandler. As ridge pointed out in another post it would be nice to see some rodeo whips at the finish line of Vegas in Danny's honor.

your last statement was well said sh105, there are always a few idiots on here that don't get it... they don't understand that this a good thing no matter what for both you the riders, the sponsors and the us the spectators that would actually like to to see and watch races in person with all the top guys there and not sitting at home hurt, I say way to go guys that support this millsaps is also a big supporter of this and you can listen to his interview on pit pass radio.

From the list of offenses:
"h. Engaging in a rider boycott, public protest or other similar concerted activity meant to stop, delay, or otherwise inhibit the start or completion of any portion of an AMA Pro Racing event. "
To me, this is exactly why the word Union is correct. Remember in history that among the many factors that led to the creation of unions was unsafe work conditions and bosses who didn't care about those unsafe conditions.

And there's nothing wrong with joining the Union until the Union does the above. It can be argued that fixing a jump before the catastrophe causes less delay than might the clean up of the catastrophe. Screw the NASCAR dorks who watch for the crashes. People like watching bulldozers too.

I like the idea of the top 100 concept, to keep things realistic, finite and manageable. I like the idea of a smaller safety committee chosen from/by them so that the problem of unanimous agreement gets cleared up.

OTOH, I like the idea of calling it an association so you could just start your own sanctioning body and be done. What IRL did to CART is a bad analogy, and was probably bad for the sport in the short run. But I do think that many aspects of our sport are determined by people who will never try to clear a modest double.

Good luck shaking things up, folks. I'm with you 100%

-Dean

P.S. I blame the 4strokes.