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I truly don't think you kow what mainstream America knows or what corporate America wants from what you have posted. I would even go as far as saying if you lined up a bunch of execs from any corporations you choose and ask them if they know Ricky Carmichael, James Stewart or Brian Deegan. I am willing to bet Deegan is probably MORE popular amongst them.
Why is RC doing as much X games as he can? James is doing it this year and essentialy all the riders want into it. That image, the "X-gamer" image is huge. Try going to L.A. this summer and see how corporate america the tattoo, flat bill, black wearing socks crowd is. I think you would be surprised. That one event gets more corporate America interest than you can imagine, and Brian Deegan is the "GOAT" there.
I get a chuckle out of your explanations and what you are pretty much saying - "I know Denny knows what he is talking about he gets paid to do it, but listen to me because my opinion is mine and it's not wrong you are just all ass kisser for believing the guy that does this for a living, the Mulisha is stupid, leave the message boards to us non industry people so we can have our own opinions that we can prove ourselves right without the help of truth!" Meanwhile the Mulisha is laughing all the way to the bank, while our poor privateers are going to the bank's too- but they are going to get loans for entry fees and fuel. Someones doing somehthing right with tattoos and flat hats!
Trust me, I bleed MX and I used to be a hater too, I lnow where you're coming from, but facts are facts. Brian Deegan is a smart man that made a decision to leave MX/SX where he made peanuts and created the image he has now with millions in the bank and corporate america swinging from his nuts. Pretty smart business man if you ask me.
You got shot down pretty clearly when you said corporations don't want to sponsor Mulisha types and Denny corrected you on that.
But, you didn't stop there. You let the "lickers" upset you and got all sarcastic. "Mr. Insider" and all that crap.
And what's your specific beef with the Mulisha. Not what you think their effect is. What do you dislike about them? I have my issues with some of the stuff, but, I've watched Deegan since '97 and he's not just some punk who can ride a dirt bike.
I think I may have missed the "facts" part of your arguement. Is it because Nike sponsored JS, and RD?? Gawd i hope that's not what you based your whole arguement on...
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Back to the point..
Is Donald Trump corporate America enough for ya titan???
Jesse James is insanely successful as a business man and even the DONALD loves him. He has more tats than JG33 will ever have.
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Let me start over...yes, there are corporations that want to go after the demographic that likes the deegan image. I'm not denying that. Energy Drink companies, DC shoes, Kicker etc...all corporations...all target the same demographic that will be a fan of that image.
But there are far MORE, and far larger, corporations that would prefer to have clean cut athletes representing them.
And if MX wants to grow the most and the fastest, would it not be to their best interest to market an image that would appeal to the largest number, and most lucrative companies in the country? Yes, it would.
And since there are more companies that would prefer to be represented by clean cut athletes wouldn't it be more beneficial for mx to market it's image as clean cut?
That is what I'm saying...
MX is relatively small right now because the stereotype of the average "mxer" is what deegan is. And so the only companies paying attention to it-at the moment-are companies whose target demographic is that very small group of people that like what deegan is.
In order for MX to get bigger than it currently is, it needs-among other things (better tv packages for example)-to appeal to a broader fan base so that the new corporations (whose target demo isn't what deegan is) will see their demographic sitting in the stands at a sx or riding mx bikes and will see a potential ROI by investing capital into the sport.
The only way that will happen is if mx can market its clean cut athletes as a way of shedding that "deegan" stereotype. Then a broader fan base will get into the sport, once that happens more companies will want to advertise within the sport and the sport grows.
Do you see what I'm saying?
And the reason I'm aganst the mulisha is because I get so sick and tired of people automatically assuming thats what I am when they hear I'm an MX racer....I kid you not, there was a girl in high school whose parents forbid her to see me (before meeting me) because they knew I raced moto (I'm the cleanest cut kid you'd ever know)...once meeting me, they changed their tune quickly. Another time in high school, a friend of mine (not into moto) was trying to getme hired on a place he worked at retail store...but he told his boss I was an mx racer, and he almost wouldn't interview me...he thought I was what deegan is (that stereotype again).
I do not like that stereotype....that's why I don't like the mulisha, or FMX in general, or the "thug life" athletes representing the sport. Obviously that is my personal opinion.
Is Jesse James MX?
Okay, apples to carrotts...
next.
is this fact or speculation? Because in all the YEARS Mx and SX has been around it took the "Mulisha" type to attract any corporate sponsors and that has only happened since X-games and Freestyle MX.
Target? Yeah they sponsor Dungey. But they sponsored Nate Adams first in Freestyle and he has a sleeve and a tat across his hole side.
I think corporate America is stumbling across SX and Mx now that Freestyle and people like the Mulisha got their attention.
Whatever, we all get your point and a lot of us think you'r pretty wrong. Just sayin'
His hole side made me chuckle.
you checking out Nates "hole"?
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I think you're dead wrong on Deegan being more popular than RC and JS with them too. Of course, those are each of our opinions, who really knows.
There is no doubt that Mulisha is successful and Deegan did the smart thing. He def. didn't have a future in racing, so again, smart move going to something he could market himself and make a living at. Heck, I give him credit for helping get FMX off the charts.. but the most credit would be given to Travis Pastrana, IMO for taking it to the heights it has reached.
As far as what I think of the Mulisha.. they're a circus show, a very successful one at that.
Who can make a judgement on the riders themselves? Not me.. don't know any of em. They could all be choir boys for all I know.... but their IMAGE is not something I'd have my kids aspire to want to be like. Others will differ, that's cool too.
I do however tend to agree, that the majority will choose the more "clean cut" type of person to admire and totally understand what Titan is trying to get across.
Forgot to actually be on topic here... I love watching JG ride and am actually rooting for him to win. And..if he were on my team, I'd politely ask him to kill the extra goofiness on the podium. That's just me though.
YEP....
I'm left wondering if Titan's 2300 other posts are of the same high quality...
...I admited I was wrong about deegans sponsors....(but deegan isn't mx/sx and they were for his rally car not his motocross bike-which he doesn't race...so it's not exactly the same thing...but whatever).
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Wasn't the blue hair a bet he lost with his mechanic?
And I follow this sport as close as most (and have since the 90's) and I didn't even know Jeremy had any tattoos (and he certainly doesn't have a sleeve)...so I highly doubt the casual fan would've known about the tats or the piercings. And a tattoo is far different than a sleeve...just sayin'...
(I did know about the nipple rings but only because I owned that "FLY" video Fox made in like 95-96 or whatever...awesome video by the way...it showed Jeremy wakeboarding on "I think" canyon lake down in CA...and had bradshaw, dowd, henry, MC, lamson riding at glamis, cool honda test track footage...I need to watch it again...)
Anyway, the point is, the "image" jeremy portrayed in public was squeeky clean...what he was/is in private is completely different and irrelevant when it comes to representing a company in public.
I think the industry in general would be better served, in terms of growth, by marketing it's athletes as clean cut, hard working, professionals (rather than thugs) as that will appeal to the broadest population base and thus the widest range of corporate sponsors...anyway, my opinion.
Seems like you're "painting with a pretty large brush".
Remember, the kid is from Riverside, CA.......the "909". He didn't grow up in Ogden, Utah.
JG is a really cool guy, well spoken up on the podium, is physically fit, has a good team, has a bunch of corporate sponsors, and can ride the wheels off of a dirt bike.
Who cares how he looks or wears his hat!
Case Summary
Case Number: 09HM02887
Defendant: Deegan, Brian Richard
Demographics:
Eyes: Hazel
Hair: Brown
Height(ft/in) : 5'9"
Weight (lbs): 150
Names:
Last Name First Name Middle Name Type
Deegan Brian Richard Real Name
Deegen Brian Richard Alias
Deegan Brian R Alias
Case Status:
Status: Open
Case Stage:
Release Status: Released on Own Recognizance
Warrant: N
DMV Hold : N
Charging Document: Complaint
Mandatory Appearance: Y
Owner's Resp: N
Amendment #: 0
Counts:
Seq S/A Violation Date Section Statute OL Violation Plea Plea Date Disposition Disposition Date
1 0 02/07/2009 245(a)(1) PC M Assault w/deadly weapon other than firearm
2 0 02/07/2009 240 PC M Assault
3 0 02/07/2009 242 PC M Battery
Participants:
Role Badge Agency Name Vacation Start Vacation End
Retained Attorney RETAT Meyer, Paul S.
District Attorney OCDA Trudell, K.
District Attorney OCDA Zimmer, Richard Anthony
District Attorney OCDA Goodman, Kristin R
Scheduled Hearing:
Date Hearing Type - Reason Courtroom
07/23/2009 Arraignment - H8
Heard Hearings:
Date Hearing Type - Reason Courtroom Hearing Status Special Hearing Result
05/13/2009 Arraignment - H8 Heard Waives arraignment today
05/13/2009 Arraignment - H8 Heard waives statutory time for
05/28/2009 Arraignment - H8 Heard Waives arraignment today
05/28/2009 Arraignment - H8 Heard waives statutory time for
06/24/2009 Arraignment - H8 Heard Waives arraignment today
07/08/2009 Arraignment - H8 Heard Waives arraignment today
07/10/2009 Arraignment - H8 Cancel
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I wonder if James Stewart got into a bar fight if a hollywood gossip TV show or mag like TMZ would mention it?
I'm not saying it is cool, just pointing out that mainstream america took note.
Another thing, nobody here knows the story behind what happened so I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the Deegan is a thug because he got arrested after a fight band wagon. It wasn't like he walked into a bar with his shirt off looking for a fight, but sometimes when you portray yourself as a tough guy people want to test your toughness.
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Titan, you may want to rethink your opinion on what Corperate America wants.
Companies spending money on advertising don't seem to care if they have tats or not. Seems to be more about how marketable the athlete is, tats, black socks, or a Yankee hat, if you are good, companies will want you no matter what you dress or act like.
You can have your opinion, but you can make a better arguement if you actually had some numbers to support your theory of what companies are looking for.
Hey, I thought J-Law wasn't racing the rest of the year?
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