How far back in time would a current Novice on a 08 450

3/27/2008 12:00pm
I bet 100 dollars right now to anybody that Dave Coupe can beat any novice in country on any track on his 74 ELSI . If he rode his 81 Maico 490 he would beat most local experts too. who the fugg are you people trying to bullshit here?
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3/27/2008 12:15pm
Dave Coupe is one bad dude on old iron at today's races!
3/27/2008 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="BobbyM":u773wxur]I bet 100 dollars right now to anybody that Dave Coupe can beat any novice in country on any track on his 74 ELSI . If he rode his 81 Maico 490 he would beat most local experts too. who the fugg are you people trying to bullshit here?[/quote:u773wxur]
3/27/2008 12:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
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I still find it hard to believe that a top Nov in So Cal is all that much faster than a top Nov at .... Lake Whitney. You're saying they can't hit the majority of the jumps there?

Maybe we got more cherry-pickers out here.[/quote:3s8xs26u]

Dude! Put it down....please!

I'm saying a novice is A NOVICE (if he's not a picker). They're novices for a reason. They run about 30 secs a lap slower than pros (at best). The pro, of any era, is not going to suddenly lose 30 seconds a lap. That's what I'm saying.

I'll put my $100 with Myers'.

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3/27/2008 5:35pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="BobbyM":24vxse3v]I bet 100 dollars right now to anybody that Dave Coupe can beat any novice in country on any track on his 74 ELSI . [/quote:24vxse3v]


Your on. Where should I have Alex Snow meet him?
3/27/2008 7:10pm
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3/27/2008 8:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="FreshTopEnd":2xfrfurx]The guys who kicked ass back in the 70's would adapt to modern conditions in a week, if that long, sufficiently to enable them to outride a novice on modern tracks.[/quote:2xfrfurx]

This is true ONLY if they were riding with a modern day rider who they could watch. How do I know??? Because I watch the old SX races on the Greatest SX races DVDs and Ward, Hannah and the rest could barely do a 15-20 ft double with thier works bikes with 40 HP... They look like novice riders on those old basic obstacles, they really didn't even try to hit anything that would be a double (they weren't intentional doubles back then) they rolled them whereas a modern rider on that old works bike would double that obstacle no prob. Its just a matter of technique being better and learned earlier today. Since the pool of riders is deeper we are getting the cream of the crop today too.
3/27/2008 8:51pm
SS...you are a kook and know less than shit. what are yer credentials for such stupid observations?
3/27/2008 8:53pm
I cant believe this is still being debated.My opinion doesnt matter but I am going to give it. In 1979 I watched Johnny O,mara riding the International track at Indian Dunes on a 79 RM 125, the guy was killing it. I dont think he let off any were thru the sand and carried crazy corner speed. And if you say they didnt have doubles back then, I watched him and Cris Hieser doing this crazy double when they raced the track backwards in 1980 I stll have a picture of that.

I take Ron Turner any day out at Ascot up against any novice alive and most ints.

No intermediate in the world is going to beat Glover or Barnett at Saddleback in 1980.

Donnie Hansen on his 1979 Can-Am would smoke any novice in the world on a modern 450. I watched Donnie Hansen on a beat yamaha GT 80 smoke a fast local 80 rider on his new yz 80 at the field by out house.
3/27/2008 8:54pm
[quote:2vxqk9t6] SX races on the Greatest SX races DVDs and Ward, Hannah and the rest could barely do a 15-20 ft double with thier works bikes with 40 HP[/quote:2vxqk9t6]

hey dumbfuck...the jumps weren't made to double you stupid jackhole. if you knew shit you'd know that...but you don't. dummy...

did you see magoo and donnie cantaloupi jump the triple at the rosebowl 83-84? what did it look like dummy?

thought so...so shut the fuck up loser.
3/27/2008 8:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="SS":mmo9mthk][quote="FreshTopEnd":mmo9mthk]The guys who kicked ass back in the 70's would adapt to modern conditions in a week, if that long, sufficiently to enable them to outride a novice on modern tracks.[/quote:mmo9mthk]

This is true ONLY if they were riding with a modern day rider who they could watch. How do I know??? Because I watch the old SX races on the Greatest SX races DVDs and Ward, Hannah and the rest could barely do a 15-20 ft double with thier works bikes with 40 HP... They look like novice riders on those old basic obstacles, they really didn't even try to hit anything that would be a double (they weren't intentional doubles back then) they rolled them whereas a modern rider on that old works bike would double that obstacle no prob. Its just a matter of technique being better and learned earlier today. Since the pool of riders is deeper we are getting the cream of the crop today too.[/quote:mmo9mthk]Dude please stop. This might be one of the stupidest post I have ever read. How old are you, 18 max? You obviously have no idea the speed those guys had. Go to a vintage race were the old fast guys are going to be then you would understand how silly you sound.
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3/27/2008 8:58pm
Exactly...they flat landed most of those jumps.
3/27/2008 9:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="BobbyM":106dpmd5][quote:106dpmd5] SX races on the Greatest SX races DVDs and Ward, Hannah and the rest could barely do a 15-20 ft double with thier works bikes with 40 HP[/quote:106dpmd5]

hey dumbfuck...the jumps weren't made to double you stupid jackhole. if you knew shit you'd know that...but you don't. dummy...

did you see magoo and donnie cantaloupi jump the triple at the rosebowl 83-84? what did it look like dummy?

thought so...so shut the fuck up loser.[/quote:106dpmd5]83, how friggen crazy was that? And what was crazy was the landing, it was peaked. You sure couldnt case it and walk away like todays tracks. Holley jumped it that night too.
3/27/2008 9:01pm
unless you are new you know SS has always been an assclown with no real valid opinion, i like guys like SS cuz they make blowhards like me look brilliant.
3/27/2008 9:04pm
I am still a newb, but I have always thought you were brilliant.
3/27/2008 9:06pm
actually uptite, my mistake, it was triple humped canyons that they did as a double. donnie rolled the first one then sac'd up and doubled the gargantuan jump next. magoo heard about it after the first practice and went out and banzaied the first jump and doubled the 2nd. huffman said those jumps were unjumpable by the track builders...only problem was nobody told the racers...lmao.

fuck off SS....
3/27/2008 9:09pm
Thats how Magoo got second that night then did that crazy whip over the finish line. I still have that memory becouse I thought it was just the coolest thing ever.
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3/27/2008 9:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="BobbyM":3nbpo3dq]SS...you are a kook and know less than shit. what are yer credentials for such stupid observations?[/quote:3nbpo3dq]

Makes dad look like a genius.
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3/27/2008 9:25pm
Anyone who thinks that a novice rider could beat a pro back then never watched the old guys ride.
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3/27/2008 9:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
Marty is laughing right now <img class= " title="Laughing">
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3/27/2008 9:38pm
ok, Lets Say the top 20 Novice from LL 2007, lined up against the top 20 from 1974 at Unadilla 1993.

How many Novice would crack the top 10?

Would any Podium?
3/27/2008 10:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
LOL...!!! Could someone look up the definition of novice in a damn dictionary and post it here!!! There is no WAY, a beginner can beat a pro!!! At my best, I was a lower "B" rider, there was no way a BEGINNER AKA NOVICE could beat me!!! Yet the vet-experts could wax me!!
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3/27/2008 10:20pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="Blackopsrider":wo1euw01]At my best, I was a lower "B" rider[/quote:wo1euw01]

So you were a Novice that moved up and got smoked?
3/27/2008 10:27pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="Robert":2gixv9nq]
So you were a Novice that moved up and got smoked?[/quote:2gixv9nq]
You are kidding, right? I wasn't a beginner, that is what novice means!! Thanks though that was funny!! <img class= " title="Laughing">
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3/27/2008 10:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="Blackopsrider":2newn3a7][quote="Robert":2newn3a7]
So you were a Novice that moved up and got smoked?[/quote:2newn3a7]
You are kidding, right? I wasn't a beginner, that is what novice means!! Thanks though that was funny!! <img class= " title="Laughing">[/quote:2newn3a7]

The novice class is the novice class

A Pro /Expert
B Intermediate
C Novice
D Beg

Not all tracks/Orgs have the D/Beg classes.
3/27/2008 11:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
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The novice class is the novice class

A Pro /Expert
B Intermediate
C Novice
D Beg

Not all tracks/Orgs have the D/Beg classes.[/quote:33ol05h2]
Okay now I see what he was talking about, my bad. Regardless, if we go by what the definition "novice", it means beginner. So I guess you guys have a class known as novice. So in the places where they don't have beginner classes, where do the beginners ride?
3/28/2008 12:11am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="BobbyM":ro7qyyh8]unless you are new you know SS has always been an assclown with no real valid opinion, i like guys like SS cuz they make blowhards like me look brilliant.[/quote:ro7qyyh8]

Not even SS can do that.... 8)

Told you guys this would hit 4 pages. We're almost to 6.
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3/28/2008 12:31am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:28pm
[quote="Blackopsrider":23aps9uo][quote="Jarid332":23aps9uo]

The novice class is the novice class

A Pro /Expert
B Intermediate
C Novice
D Beg

Not all tracks/Orgs have the D/Beg classes.[/quote:23aps9uo]
Okay now I see what he was talking about, my bad. Regardless, if we go by what the definition "novice", it means beginner. So I guess you guys have a class known as novice. So in the places where they don't have beginner classes, where do the beginners ride?[/quote:23aps9uo]

Novice class. But then if the track has an age class like 16-24(Or whatever the ages are) they could ride that class too.

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