Alright! The LAST 20 Rule gets legs

whipmeister (MD)
Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 9:00am
The suggestion that tracks post signs and let people know that the last 20 minutes of every hour of open practice is reserved for little people on little bikes has already picked up a sponsor! Check it out!


http://www.dirtwerkz.com/Pages/tracks/tracks.htm

This is the kind of thing that's needed to get something like this off the net and onto your track.

See this post for more info: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51808
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worm 3/23/2008 9:10pm
3/23/2008 9:10pm
a couple of tracks do that here

20 mins ladies and 80's (or smaller)
20 mins PRO/INT
20 mins Beg/Nov

it sucks waiting so long to ride, but it is much safer
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Farva 3/23/2008 9:13pm
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Blame the track not the parents should be the slogan for this.
whipmeister (MD) 3/23/2008 9:15pm
3/23/2008 9:15pm
Yeah, it's not new. And it's minimalist. You could obviously do more. But, it's easy to understand, it can easily be put on a sign and, even if you have nothing else other than the sign, it may separate them more than they get separated now.

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Farva 3/23/2008 9:16pm
3/23/2008 9:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="whipmeister":13q0cnpt]Yeah, it's not new. And it's minimalist. You could obviously do more. But, it's easy to understand, it can easily be put on a sign and, even if you have nothing else other than the sign, it may separate them more than they get separated now.[/quote:13q0cnpt]


If signs dont work now they wont work later the only way to stop young kids getting killed and hurt is to seperate pracitce completly. Even then bad things will happen.
whipmeister (MD) 3/23/2008 9:17pm
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[quote="Farva":3jh3rze1]Blame the track not the parents should be the slogan for this.[/quote:3jh3rze1]

Why do all the dipshits have to make everything into a "blame" game?

"Save a kid" is more like it.
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Farva 3/23/2008 9:18pm
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[quote="whipmeister":37z0sd3w][quote="Farva":37z0sd3w]Blame the track not the parents should be the slogan for this.[/quote:37z0sd3w]

Why do all the dipshits have to make everything into a "blame" game?

"Save a kid" is more like it.[/quote:37z0sd3w]

I dont know why did you turn it into a blame game in the other thread? Guess that makes you a dip shit.
whipmeister (MD) 3/23/2008 9:20pm
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[quote="Farva":knkgwbv4]If signs dont work now they wont work later the only way to stop young kids getting killed and hurt is to seperate pracitce completly. Even then bad things will happen.[/quote:knkgwbv4]

Oh. Okay. I get it. You think nobody should do anything because you can never create a 100% safe environment. Until you can, any other measure is pointless. Perfect. That really helps. Thanks for your input.
whipmeister (MD) 3/23/2008 9:22pm
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[quote="Farva":3azz7sxn]
I dont know why did you turn it into a blame game in the other thread? Guess that makes you a dip shit.[/quote:3azz7sxn]
Really? Where? Where did I blame anybody other than saying that the status quo is not working?
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Farva 3/23/2008 9:27pm
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[quote="whipmeister":e8t5bba8][quote="Farva":e8t5bba8]
I dont know why did you turn it into a blame game in the other thread? Guess that makes you a dip shit.[/quote:e8t5bba8]
Really? Where? Where did I blame anybody other than saying that the status quo is not working?[/quote:e8t5bba8]


1) A little kid is not responsible enough to be making those choices maturely

On a second not the thread you posted that in was not the right thread to make an example.
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ACMYERS 3/23/2008 9:28pm
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I threw it up over on a local Michigan site also. Sounds like a responsible way to manage ourselves and keep tracks and insurance available for those tracks.
wardy (MD) 3/24/2008 7:48am
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this is a pretty dam good idea. that and we absolutely have to teach the "kids" and half the adults out there NOT TO CUT across the track on the back side of jumps. How many times do I see this happen and they are oblivious to others on the track. scary.

last 15 or 20 is something that i will send to ALL our tracks here in IL to at least give them the idea. Most are running practice days, although I don't "practice much'" so i don't know how they do it. this is a good idea.
whipmeister (MD) 3/24/2008 9:41am
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[quote="wardy":ccuknj1f]this is a pretty dam good idea. that and we absolutely have to teach the "kids" and half the adults out there NOT TO CUT across the track on the back side of jumps. How many times do I see this happen and they are oblivious to others on the track. scary.

last 15 or 20 is something that i will send to ALL our tracks here in IL to at least give them the idea. Most are running practice days, although I don't "practice much'" so i don't know how they do it. this is a good idea.[/quote:ccuknj1f]

Thanks. Maybe we can find a way to get a sponsor to print up free signs to hand out to the track owners.
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919 3/24/2008 9:58am
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whipmeister,
I really like the idea too. Many of the tracks we frequent run everyone together.

I would like to see someone post a printable letter that riders could send to track owners expressing our concerns and the suggestion of the LAST 20 RULE. I would do it but I’m not real computer literate with pictures of the pie chart.

Anyone up to the task?
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jbomx363 3/24/2008 10:11am
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Whats the big whoop about last 20? Most people aren't keeping a watch on their wrist as they ride.

A simple colored flag system works just fine. Post it at the tower so all can see, hand out a flyer if need be, post how it works around the track. Sure, you'll get some boneheads, but the majority will scream at a dip head that's in the wrong practice.

Blue=fast big bikes
Orange= slow big bikes
Yellow with cross= little bikes
RED= EVERYONE OFF
BLACK- YOU DUDE, yeah you! are in the wrong practice!! GET OFF!

Everyone gets 20 minutes, done deal. Takes 1 track worker to switch out the flags.
whipmeister (MD) 3/24/2008 11:13am
3/24/2008 11:13am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
[quote="jbomx363":1tlw1bw5]Whats the big whoop about last 20? Most people aren't keeping a watch on their wrist as they ride.

A simple colored flag system works just fine. Post it at the tower so all can see, hand out a flyer if need be, post how it works around the track. Sure, you'll get some boneheads, but the majority will scream at a dip head that's in the wrong practice.

Blue=fast big bikes
Orange= slow big bikes
Yellow with cross= little bikes
RED= EVERYONE OFF
BLACK- YOU DUDE, yeah you! are in the wrong practice!! GET OFF!

Everyone gets 20 minutes, done deal. Takes 1 track worker to switch out the flags.[/quote:1tlw1bw5]

I think that's great for the tracks that staff organized practices. A lot, don't. Or if they do, they're mixing the groups. That's how these tragedies are happening. I'm not interested in overhauling things that already work, just improving those that don't do enough and haven't been able to justify the cost of staffing. This is a way forward for them. This is something that is easy to remember that will become self-regulating if adopted widely. IOW, the riders at the venue will tell you what time it is, if you can't look at a clock.
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Farva 3/24/2008 11:15am
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[quote="jbomx363":2i05mabb]Whats the big whoop about last 20? Most people aren't keeping a watch on their wrist as they ride.

A simple colored flag system works just fine. Post it at the tower so all can see, hand out a flyer if need be, post how it works around the track. Sure, you'll get some boneheads, but the majority will scream at a dip head that's in the wrong practice.

Blue=fast big bikes
Orange= slow big bikes
Yellow with cross= little bikes
RED= EVERYONE OFF
BLACK- YOU DUDE, yeah you! are in the wrong practice!! GET OFF!

Everyone gets 20 minutes, done deal. Takes 1 track worker to switch out the flags.[/quote:2i05mabb]


You can have someone hold a checkerd flag out when it is time for the big bikes to get off the track. You wouldent even have to pay him just let him in the gate for free if that.
Whitmer0100 3/24/2008 12:42pm
3/24/2008 12:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
I understand that we want kids to be safe. I want kids to be safe too. Though a lot of tracks may not go with this because it will shy people away from going for an "open practice".

I went to Glen Helen this weekend because Comp Edge basically does the 20 minute rule! I think its great if you are there and have no other determining factors for ride times. We had people coming and meeting us during the day and wanted to be able to ride with them when they got there, not have to time it or wait untill they say OK.

I think all tracks should have mini tracks. A lot in SoCal do. If the kid can conquer a medium level mini track, can he run with the big boys? Though I do see the safety concern still with just being so much smaller.

I do not have kids and wont for while. As a parent it must be terrifying to see your kid on a mini out there with guys on 450's. I say make all the VET tracks have a 30min/30min format, open and mini. Keep the main tracks open for the "Main source of income" Either way there is an up and down side. I guess I am for the mini practice, but, im not excited about it.......

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Moto East Mag 3/24/2008 12:52pm
3/24/2008 12:52pm
I still think having organized practices with no flaggers is a horrible idea. Track owners say its too expensive etc. but I think if this sport wants to be taken seriously, the issue needs to be addressed.
The track I was at this weekend had no flaggers and every time someone bailed on a downside of a jump it was a frantic run to warn other bikes. And I saw some really stupid things like a guy standing next to his kid messing with his goggles on the downside of a fast tabletop.
I have witnessed riders sitting [b:3n2p54a2]directly on the downside[/b:3n2p54a2] of a table talking to each other, while other bikes are out there. I mean I see the grossest acts of utter stupidity almost every time I got to a track.
I was also treated to kids on 110s doing full throttle starts up and down the pits about 20 feet from my truck. More supervision guys!
Whitmer0100 3/24/2008 1:00pm
3/24/2008 1:00pm
I agree 100% with what you said. I love it when guys tip over then sit in the line for 10 minutes sorting there goggles and shaking it off. GET OFF THE TRACK then deal with yourself.
neverwas 3/24/2008 1:06pm
3/24/2008 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:27pm
Our local track is setup that way,I prefer it to the free for all at other tracks

[quote="worm":1cddx1qj]a couple of tracks do that here

20 mins ladies and 80's (or smaller)
20 mins PRO/INT
20 mins Beg/Nov

it sucks waiting so long to ride, but it is much safer[/quote:1cddx1qj]
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Farva 3/24/2008 2:02pm
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Is it going to be more expensive to pay for flaggers for a day or to pay a lawyer for years?

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