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bogdan912
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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 1:32am
Why is it that so many companies in this industry have the absolute WORST customer service? Right now I have two $700+ exhaust systems trashed, not completely by any means I just need parts to make both of them good as new. Problem is getting those parts has turned into a month long process from hell, and I don't even know if I'm getting them! For one exhaust system, manufacturer A we'll say, I have a perfect full system, no dings in the header or muffler but the mid-pipe is absolutely waffled (it was given to me this way). So all I need is a mid-pipe and that exhaust system will be just like new(with literally 5hrs time on it before the guy wadded it up).

My other one I ran all last season with, manufacturer Bs top of the line exhaust system retailing nearly $800. The headpipe where it meets the header wore down to an uneven surface, allowing for a bad leak when the motor is revved up the slightest bit. I feel this is a manufacturers defect and should be warrantied(and it might be if I ever hear back from the guy). On the other end of the system the end cap has a 99db insert that started rattling like crazy, although the set screw was tight. I tried taking the set screw out but it was seized to the insert so I ended up drilling it out and damaging both pieces not to bad but I would rather just replace them both so it looks good.

I have spoken with the warranty guy at Manufacturer A probably 10 times and each time he gives me some reason why he hasn't gotten something for me. I will pay! I am not being mean to them or anything, and I am not asking for handouts I just want to make this exhaust system usable.

Manufacturer B is a slightly different deal, since I'm "sponsored" by them I have to deal with the rider support guy, which to me should make things easier. Well this guy is impossible to get a hold of and doesn't return phone calls. I have gotten a hold of him twice, the first time was great he made it sound like he would have me my parts pronto. And was supposed to call me back with a total and when they would be ordered. Well he never called, so I gave him a couple days and called back several times with no answer, left messages, nothing. Eventually I got through to him and he said , didn't we order those? I am pretty sure they are ordered let me call into the office and see what the deal is.. First off, shouldn't he know what the deal is? Second I haven't heard back from him and can't get him to answer his phone. I am giving him the benefit of doubt because this is a big two weeks in texas and he very well could be there dealing with those guys and I am fine with that, I just feel like I am getting the run around.

I have left the Manufacturer's names out of this for now, I always give the benefit of doubt thinking maybe something really did come up.(Why does it always come up with me though?!?) And when I feel for sure these guys are just pushing me under the rug I will call them out.

All I know is that when I have a problem with a product from Wal-Mart, Best Buy etc.. I usually have a functional product back to me in hours.... days max. Even with BMX parts, or Car parts at least in my experience. Why is this industry soooo bad when it comes to Customer Service? Or am I on some list somewhere that says to give me the run around for months?
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mxdad
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3/20/2008 8:20am
Call Dave at MRD Racing. He will make the stuff and have it shipped out same day.
3/20/2008 8:23am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
Why are you talking to the warranty person at company "A"?
3/20/2008 8:25am
sounds like you should find a good dealer to take care of this stuff for you. If my riders buy parts from us and they have issues we handle them. if you by pass the dealer and go direct this is what happens. Big Company's don't care as much about customer service as retailers do thats why Wal Mart takes care of you.
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3/20/2008 8:30am Edited Date/Time 4/8/2008 9:08am
Ive had run-ins with big pipe companies, too.

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3/20/2008 8:52am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="mxdad":31zb6o90]Call Dave at MRD Racing. He will make the stuff and have it shipped out same day.[/quote:31zb6o90]

Yep, after dealing with MRD, I will never by another poor fitting PC or FMF again. The MRD also carries a lifetime replace/repair warranty that also includes crash damage. Let's see, 20% less up front, installs perfectly, looks and perform great and if I crash it or if something fails, it is repaired or replaced quickly and with a smile for as long as I own the bike. I don't know why anybody would consider anything but an MRD pipe.
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3/20/2008 8:52am
It's not just the moto industry, it gets worse elsewhere. Had a customer bring their Land Rover in for some repairs. I write them an estimate and call the dealer to order parts. Just to be on the safe side, I ask them to verify parts prices and part numbers as these are somewhat oddball. Come to find out they have their parts prices adjusted 30-200% above mfgs. suggested list price. Nothing like being dumb enough to buy one of those P.O.S. in the first place, then you get dryphucked when you need a part. I called customer service to see if they could suggest me a selling dealer that doesn't price gouge their customers and guess what? They couldn't. So if you buy a Land Rover you'll get what they think you deserve.
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3/20/2008 8:56am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="CamP":2hbwakr6][quote="mxdad":2hbwakr6]Call Dave at MRD Racing. He will make the stuff and have it shipped out same day.[/quote:2hbwakr6]

Yep, after dealing with MRD, I will never by another poor fitting PC or FMF again.[/quote:2hbwakr6]

My son has a MRD pipe, fits well and performs well. They even updated it with a different end cap and repacked it for free when it was over a year old. Good service is hard to find, and it sure makes you appreciate the ones who step up to the plate.
3/20/2008 8:58am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote:jgirhufc]Manufacturer B is a slightly different deal, since I "sponsored" by them I have to deal with the rider support guy, which to me should make things easier. Well this guy is impossible to get a hold of and doesn't return phone calls. I have gotten a hold of him twice, the first time was great he made it sound like he would have me my parts pronto. And was supposed to call me back with a total and when they would be ordered. Well he never called, so I gave him a couple days and called back several times with no answer, left messages, nothing. Eventually I got through to him and he said , didn't we order those? I am pretty sure they are ordered let me call into the office and see what the deal is.. First off, shouldn't he know what the deal is? Second I haven't heard back from him and can't get him to answer his phone. I am giving him the benefit of doubt because this is a big two weeks in texas and he very well could be there dealing with those guys and I am fine with that, I just feel like I am getting the run around.[/quote:jgirhufc]

Are you "sponsored" directly through the rider rep or is it a "regional shop" deal? I would try calling the road rep to see if he can help you. If its the rider support guy, most likely he is down in texas as you said and is totally pinned right now. Maybe he would respond to the "local" rep if he is willing to help you out.
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3/20/2008 9:00am
Call Grandpa at Yosh.
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3/20/2008 9:37am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm

Yep, after dealing with MRD, I will never by another poor fitting PC or FMF again.

I havent used a MRD.
bogdan912
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3/20/2008 9:56am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="APLMAN":1llxos7j]Why are you talking to the warranty person at company "A"?[/quote:1llxos7j]


I called the tech department and they told me they do not sell mid-pipes only and that the only thing they could do is see if the warranty department had one that came back. So I have been dealing with the warranty guy, who the last I have heard said he was having one made for me.

The one company I got the pipe directly through them, so the dealer I ride for wouldn't be able to help me out there. With the other company, they also tried but got told they could not help them because they don't sell just mid-pipes, so I called up and was able to get a little further and just kept going with it.
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3/20/2008 9:59am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="Huckster":35wuu41k]

Are you "sponsored" directly through the rider rep or is it a "regional shop" deal? I would try calling the road rep to see if he can help you. If its the rider support guy, most likely he is down in texas as you said and is totally pinned right now. Maybe he would respond to the "local" rep if he is willing to help you out.[/quote:35wuu41k]


I believe it is the rider rep, I guess I could try to get the road reps number from somebody at the company.
3/20/2008 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
wow, sounds like we both have a pipe from the "A" company! becareful, i had my credit card charged before i ever even knew how much it was going to be. they were suppossed to call me back with the final price before they charged it or shipped it. well, no phone call. check online credit card statement, yep, its been shipped and noone cared to call and tell me they charged my card. and i got it back with parts i specificly said i needed. so if anyone has any extra springs for a PC pipe (ooops) laying around, let me know. oh, i also need a midpipe for it too. haha.
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3/20/2008 1:56pm
I had a problem with my Rocket exhaust last week and Don took care of me within a couple days. Plus, he's an MD'er.
bogdan912
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3/20/2008 2:13pm
I had a rocket pipe a couple years ago and had bad luck with it. It was also very loud. I do understand now, I didn't know at the time, that he was having problems with the people he had manufacturing the pipes. I was able to fix the pipe on my own, kinda fabricated some stuff for it, but I decided the next time around to try a different more well known company. Enter company B.

I would go try Rocket again, but funds for a new system now, especially since I have 3/4 of two systems sitting in my shop.
3/20/2008 3:11pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:25pm
[quote="evsracer912":1iu32n7z]I had a rocket pipe a couple years ago and had bad luck with it. It was also very loud. I do understand now, I didn't know at the time, that he was having problems with the people he had manufacturing the pipes. I was able to fix the pipe on my own, kinda fabricated some stuff for it, but I decided the next time around to try a different more well known company. Enter company B.

I would go try Rocket again, but funds for a new system now, especially since I have 3/4 of two systems sitting in my shop.[/quote:1iu32n7z]
Shoulda got a 2 stroke. :D they are quieter and the exhuast is 250-300 max. <img class= " title="Laughing">
bogdan912
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I'm not a fan of outdated equipment..
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3/20/2008 4:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
I remember buying a pipe from Noleen in the mid 90's. When I went to put it on...it didn't fit, I'd put pipes on before and knew it was the wrong one. Called them...they checked my order...said you'll have a new one before the weekend. I asked if they would pay the shipping to send the other pipe back...they said, "Keep it."

Plus their pipe really made a great difference on my bike.

I don't even know what they do nowadays...if they do?
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3/20/2008 5:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
Just got off the phone with company A and apparently my mid-pipe has been specially built and they will be shipping it tomorrow for less money than they originally told me. I wonder if they read motodrive? lol.


I also talked to the rider rep from Company B he said he put the order into the "office" and they were supposed to call me and let me know totals and stuff like that. He said he would call them and bug them again, but he made it sound like it was out of his hands at that point..

As for Noleen, I haven't heard anything about them in a long time.
3/20/2008 8:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
[quote="evsracer912":2fxqmwz9]I wonder if they read motodrive? lol.[/quote:2fxqmwz9]


You'd be surprised just who reads motodrive.......
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3/20/2008 9:35pm
From my experience, a lot of people who work in the offroad motorcycle parts bidness are just worthless tools who happen to know someone, and are willing to accept low pay.

Prime example - My friendly local dealer had a parts kid who made Jessica Simpson look smart - didnt know crap about anything and really didnt care to, either. But Dude knew someone in the industry, left his job and now is the VP of sales for a big name in MX hard parts.

[u:2j81t0j9]Those[/u:2j81t0j9] are the kinds of guys handling customer service.
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3/21/2008 6:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:26pm
Company "A" (Pro Circuit) has finally gotten my midpipe together and it shipped today so I should have it by next weekend. It has now been a little over a month since I first tried to get the midpipe. And for sure if I didn't keep on them it would have never ever happened.


Company "B" I still have no idea whats going on there. Apparently there was a problem with my order and the rider rep was supposed to take care of it. I guess we'll see...
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Damn there is no friggen search on this thing? I had to go through like 18 pages to find this damn thread... Oh well atleast it made it over here.


I called Company B (Yoshimura) early this week to see why I still haven't gotten any parts or even a return phone call... No answer so I left a message like usual, and like usual I got no reply. Well yesterday I recieved a box from Yoshimura with a brand new head pipe, end cap and insert free of charge! I was very surprised. Sucks it took so long on both companies but atleast in the end they both made things right. So good on them.
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breck wrote:
Call Grandpa at Yosh.
Thats who I thought "A" or "B" was. They suck!!

Also FMF on their warranty work
Slow ~ Pro
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What exhaust are they ?

I run DrD, FMF or PC (which ever is free)...I have never had a single problem...I got a small dent in the head pipe of my DrD RMZ250 exhaust, and within two days had a replacement. Made a call to FMF for a CRF450 muffler bracket crack, had a replacement in a week. Took my PC to Corona (Pro-circuit) because it was cracking, was given a replacement.

If a product is good enough to sell, it's good enough to buy back...unless you are buying crap, nobody wants it back.
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Yosh RS2 Pro-99 Ti/Ti full system

Pro Circuit Ti-4 full system.
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FMF is such a large company sending product all over the world. There are so many people that buy from a dealer or online that call in saying their pipe does not fit and the product number is checked and its wrong and they want FMF to send them a new one, and they are told that they have to go to where they purchased it and they argue with FMF over them not getting a new one direct. If FMF sent them a new pipe they would lose money. They also have people that whoop there bike out and expect FMF to fix a Cannister bent in half. FMF has good customer service and takes cares of warrenty claims for all customers some times it may take longer then expected but that is because of bone heads who think they can get something replaced for free that they broke or that their dealer messed up on. When you buy a car from the dealer and something is wrong you dont call the maker to make it correct you call the dealer, why is it different here? when you buy direct from FMF and something broke and its not rider error then it gets fixed or replaced. if something does not fit send it in and its put on the jig, if it fits the jig then there is something else wrong not the pipe, tens of thousands of pipes go on those jigs nothing is wrong with them. IF you buy online or dealer direct and it does not fit just call up FMF they will gladly check part numbers if they dont match your dealer has to replace it not FMF if it broke and it was not cause you cased a triple fliped your bike and bent your can in half call them and send it in they will take care of you. the riders who say they bent there can in half and pro circuit replaced it are blowin smoke up your tale pipe, think how much money they would lose.
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FYI, I never asked either company to replace the parts for free. I just wanted to get them so I could get my bike running right again (didn't want to re-jet). Yoshimura hooked me up for free, the headpipe was in my eyes defective but I would have paid for it and the end cap was completely my fault... Also I tried to go through my local dealer and didn't have much luck with pro circuit they told them they cannot get just one midpipe.
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Drago wrote:
FMF is such a large company sending product all over the world. There are so many people that buy from a dealer or online that call...
FMF is such a large company sending product all over the world. There are so many people that buy from a dealer or online that call in saying their pipe does not fit and the product number is checked and its wrong and they want FMF to send them a new one, and they are told that they have to go to where they purchased it and they argue with FMF over them not getting a new one direct. If FMF sent them a new pipe they would lose money. They also have people that whoop there bike out and expect FMF to fix a Cannister bent in half. FMF has good customer service and takes cares of warrenty claims for all customers some times it may take longer then expected but that is because of bone heads who think they can get something replaced for free that they broke or that their dealer messed up on. When you buy a car from the dealer and something is wrong you dont call the maker to make it correct you call the dealer, why is it different here? when you buy direct from FMF and something broke and its not rider error then it gets fixed or replaced. if something does not fit send it in and its put on the jig, if it fits the jig then there is something else wrong not the pipe, tens of thousands of pipes go on those jigs nothing is wrong with them. IF you buy online or dealer direct and it does not fit just call up FMF they will gladly check part numbers if they dont match your dealer has to replace it not FMF if it broke and it was not cause you cased a triple fliped your bike and bent your can in half call them and send it in they will take care of you. the riders who say they bent there can in half and pro circuit replaced it are blowin smoke up your tale pipe, think how much money they would lose.
My story to long to tell with FMF. But my megabomb head pipe split on the bottom weld and it sat at their shop for 3 weeks after I was told it would be fixed the next day.
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they prefer to take care of the people that get their stuff for free first?

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