The AMA is at it again, 130+ B Riders bumped to A

[quote="SlowOldGuy":2twhaea3][quote="flarider":2twhaea3]Dammit, Mike[/quote:2twhaea3]

He said he would leave if I answered his question.

I get a headache reading the illiterate crap from homeshchooled 15 year olds. He said he would leave so I answered his question and took him at his word.[/quote:2twhaea3]

SlowOldGuy ain't so slow!

Issues with grammar in bold, homeschool at its finest!

[quote:2asi8iyq]nooo guyb disrespected a 15 yr[b:2asi8iyq](need a period here)[/b:2asi8iyq] old[b:2asi8iyq].. no need for 2 periods[/b:2asi8iyq] [b:2asi8iyq]i (this needs to be cap)[/b:2asi8iyq] believe [b:2asi8iyq]thats (need an apostrophe) [/b:2asi8iyq]where my respect for him came into play. [b:2asi8iyq]i[/b:2asi8iyq] played it off cool for awhile but then [b:2asi8iyq]i[/b:2asi8iyq] decided to let him know how cool he was bashing on 15 yr olds [b:2asi8iyq]grammer (grammar and spelling)[/b:2asi8iyq]. soo [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]think[b:2asi8iyq] i [/b:2asi8iyq]am in the right. [b:2asi8iyq]just (needs cap)[/b:2asi8iyq]lookin for an answer on my question and [b:2asi8iyq]ill[/b:2asi8iyq] be off this board, look at it this way [b:2asi8iyq]ull[/b:2asi8iyq] be doin guyb a favor answering to [b:2asi8iyq]ill[/b:2asi8iyq] let you guys do [b:2asi8iyq]ur [/b:2asi8iyq]thing.

[b:2asi8iyq]how[/b:2asi8iyq] do [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]know who guyb is? [b:2asi8iyq]my[/b:2asi8iyq] first time on this site, heard my name was on it so [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]figured [b:2asi8iyq]id[/b:2asi8iyq] check it out.[b:2asi8iyq] not [/b:2asi8iyq]to cool of the head of site to bash 15 yr olds is it? [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]treat people with the same respect as [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]get from them elder or not. [b:2asi8iyq]my[/b:2asi8iyq] original post never [b:2asi8iyq]affended[/b:2asi8iyq] him in any way. [b:2asi8iyq]simply[/b:2asi8iyq] stated my opinion and how things are that [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]know of from inside information [b:2asi8iyq]cause[/b:2asi8iyq] i am part of it. [b:2asi8iyq]soo im [/b:2asi8iyq]fully aware of my actions and do think [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]am in the wrong of callin him out. [b:2asi8iyq]as[/b:2asi8iyq] a 15 yr old [b:2asi8iyq]ill[/b:2asi8iyq] go ahead and be the bigger man and say [b:2asi8iyq]im [/b:2asi8iyq]sorry to the elder guyb for if i [b:2asi8iyq]affended[/b:2asi8iyq] him in anyway.[b:2asi8iyq] but [/b:2asi8iyq]when did i disrespect him? [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]believe [b:2asi8iyq]i [/b:2asi8iyq]got it first...[/quote:2asi8iyq]

Good luck at Whitney, and thanks for posting at MD.

man you guys are harsh today.

mxrider111 you need a williams motowerx engine and valves, along with engine ice, and buy anything from one of the banners above.

[quote="guyb":1cv9yt18]Good luck at Whitney, and thanks for posting at MD.[/quote:1cv9yt18]

Ouch!

[quote="SlowOldGuy":gmo5rtk9][quote:gmo5rtk9]

Footnote: The list I posted was not an advancement list, just a list of those with RPV of 15 or higher. Those who were not 16 on Jan 1 will not be advanced, even if the have an RPV over 15.[/quote:gmo5rtk9][/quote:gmo5rtk9]
At first glance it appears that you did not throw out the races where no points were earned or non-advancement classes were entered which explains why your list is much smaller that the supposed 130.

Throwing poop is what monkeys do!

If the rule is that you cant promote a kid who is under 16 to A, and that no A riders are allowed in schoolboy anymore, what do you do with a 15 yr old who has scored enough points to be an A rider? Can he ride Schoolboy?

No, he can stay in B, legally

and ride schoolboy

[quote="Mxrider111":2k0as9mv]ha love it. all i wana know is this... 2007 if a rider is 15 and earns enough points to go A. the following year 2008 when he is 16 does his 15 year old points carry over and can be promoted? or can the rider earn his promotion points at 16 yrs old and then be moved to A?[/quote:2k0as9mv]

If you really wanted the answer you should be posting from your phone at http://www.ama-cycle.org/.They would love to speak with you.

Does your question come about because you would sand bag next year if and when you make it to 16?

[quote="DL":2hwfqna7][.[/quote:2hwfqna7]Geeeez, you guys have been busy throwing poop around.... very entertaining. SlowOldGuy, is your list complete? Dean Wilson and Tyler Sjoberg are two names that come to mind that are not on the list?[/quote]


I think you threw the first turd. I was just checking numbers and they didn't add up to what I calculated.

I just used the list on the AMA website and divided the points by the total number of races listed for each kid. I don't claim it to be complete or even accurate.

Mike

I'm actually going to get back on topic here.
For this rule to work properly, there needs to be restructuring throughout the entire AMA program, from the amateur to pro ranks.

Now that there are 3-4 divisions of A class riders, 20+ equally talented riders are going to be looking for pro rides next year. How many pro rides are typically available per season in the lites class 3-5? Last year we only saw Izzi, Canard, and Stroupe go into the pro ranks, with factory support. Where are all the kids of 2008 going to go? Of course, a few will get rides, but many will be forced to stay amateur, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, or go privateer, which I think typically proves to be a career mistake.

Guys like Lawrence, Villopoto, Grant, Hepler, etc have been in the Lites class for quite some time; isn't it time for them to move up to make some room? If they are forced to the Motocross class, there will be room in the Lites Class, which means some of these new A riders will have a place to go. If riders are forced to stay amateur for 3-4 years in search for rides, many will run out of funding and be forced out of motocross alltogether. Also, factory teams on the amateur side such as American Suzuki, Kawasaki, Honda, Xtreme Team Green, ect most likely don't have the funding to support 4+ A class riders; they need riders throughout the entire program.

This will also kill out local racing even more. No one will be racing locally to ensure they don't accumulate any points.

I don't have a solution, but there does need to be quite a bit of thought put into one. We need rides for kids in and out of the amateur ranks, we need full classes throughout an amateur schedule, we need teams to be able to support a rooster of riders, and we need these riders to support local racing.

Wes Williams

[quote:2th1yb6t]This will also kill out local racing even more. No one will be racing locally to ensure they don't accumulate any points.[/quote:2th1yb6t]

thats the 300,000 dollar, motorhome version.
No one will be racing locally? come on does any think for a minute that riders ONLY care about being pro? for everyone of those guys there are 15-50 content to race locally and enjoy what they do.......AMA needs to remember that, this system has been tweaked to the catering of this national system so much they dont see the forest because of the trees. The system will be fine, if riders choose to "stay away from local races" (avoid advancement) that will only work for a remote few, since local races give them the platform and knowledge to be able to compete at the level they do once they get there.

you know whats really funny, is if a local race pays a good purse, these so called poor riders who can't find a ride will show up and make some cash. It happens every day, and lets face it, riders getting to the ranks as beginner pros, it isn't supposed to be easy.

"local racing" is being undermined by this type of thinking and it's gotten worse the last 5 years.

GK that is good insight.

The three that got "rides", were on a different level than the rest. I'd take a guess and say if there were one or two more riders on that level consistantly, there would have been more riders hired? Just a personal veiw.

As to the local events being hurt, there are just a few that choose to follow the big races from each area. Although more may be doing that rather than making consistent local events, most of that is due to the high gas prices, higher entry fees and lack of track time at the local level.

If the expense side came back into line, we would see larger crowds locally no matter what the advancement system is. We'll always have riders trying to beat the advancement system. It will be an improvement for those riders to get advancement points no matter where they ride. It's a lot tougher to hide with this new system in place.

[b:c4vx8ify]As long as the system is enforced.[/b:c4vx8ify]

I think that its a good thing moving guys ^ to the A/Pro class. More riders in the A class will make the purse BIGGER, It will MAKE riders ride harder, and potentially earn some money. TOO many riders stay back to get rides/results and in some cases get stail. PROGRESSION is what its about.

This whole topic is now worthless....word is MTF riders recieved a letter from Ryan Holliday (via MTF) that NO ONE will advance this year because the rules the AMA made will apply to 2008 not 2007.....have fun with that one fellas

I am in georgia right now at another track and that info is pretty much "from the horses mouth"....( a rider it directly affects)
IMHO.....freakin BULLSHIT

If that's the case, the AMA is backing down from the factories again.

Too bad they have so many opportunities to mend fences with "their" membership.

It looks like the new leadership isn't taking the bull by the horns as much as they might feel they are..........

OEMS in amateur racing is such a wonderful though.

[quote="35smom":2xfuuemw]This whole topic is now worthless....word is MTF riders recieved a letter from Ryan Holliday (via MTF) that NO ONE will advance this year because the rules the AMA made will apply to 2008 not 2007.....have fun with that one fellas

I am in georgia right now at another track and that info is pretty much "from the horses mouth"....( a rider it directly affects)
IMHO.....freakin BULLSHIT[/quote:2xfuuemw]

Yup. They should name it the Cozadd rule. It's all about WHO you know and if you dont get the answer that you like the first time, ask someone different. I know a kid who has pointed out and was moved up to A by his local AMA district that will be riding B this season. And yes, he is a MTF kid. Its ashame or should that its a sham?

DL, you can't imagine.

I personally can understand if a rider pointed out and is only 15, then if I was asked to keep him A i would likely give the kid a break. however if he is older, and has the point average then i would say no you have to try it. Age in this matters, now if the rules made it 18 to be "pro" then i certainly say 16 is the deal. Then that rider would have 2 years to "get ready" to be a pro. Riding pro am type races.

Please note the reason the rule was 15 was because 10 years ago we had a huge amount of problems with "AMA 15 year olds" dominating the classes and needed to be moved to A. Now as there is a national system in place, I would say 16 is a better number, since those riders can't hardly turn pro out of a B class.

If there is a letter out there exempting certain or all the riders in this process, i wonder who "thinks" they have the authority to do this. If I was a rider who wasn't moved, and then was beat by a rider who should have been, well you get the picture.

Rules are being tweaked every year to improve this process, but i think that anyone who was to be moved should be, then let the appeal process weed it out. That process has changed. You can only "ask" once, and that decision is final.

"This whole topic is now worthless....word is MTF riders recieved a letter from Ryan Holliday (via MTF) that NO ONE will advance this year because the rules the AMA made will apply to 2008 not 2007.....have fun with that one fellas

I am in georgia right now at another track and that info is pretty much "from the horses mouth"....( a rider it directly affects)
IMHO.....freakin BULLSHIT"

Unfuckingreal.....

And I thought it couldn't get any worse than it already was.

MR

[quote="drmarkr":3ucbl7jv]"This whole topic is now worthless....word is MTF riders recieved a letter from Ryan Holliday (via MTF) that NO ONE will advance this year because the rules the AMA made will apply to 2008 not 2007.....have fun with that one fellas

I am in georgia right now at another track and that info is pretty much "from the horses mouth"....( a rider it directly affects)
IMHO.....freakin BULLSHIT"

Unfuckingreal.....

And I thought it couldn't get any worse than it already was.

MR[/quote:3ucbl7jv]

Oh it can and will get alot worse.

The AMA is rudderless, has a tyrant at the helm and is headed for the rocks. Yep, a bright future indeed.

Ha, doesn't surprise me one bit if this is true. The worthless AMA is spineless when it comes to the OEM's and various powerful teams. I think this may have just sealed the deal for me. I most likely will not be renewing my AMA membership this year (I almost didn't last year), nor will I race any AMA affiliated races. The ruling doesn't affect me personally, unless Cozadd is allowed to stay in 30=B/C, but I choose not to support or fund a group who cannot properly manage it's own rulebook or structure.

[quote="Mxrider111":2hlr3szb]ok clown, its called slang. and i guess youll see what i mean come texas. [u:2hlr3szb][b:2hlr3szb]cause here in my presents [/b:2hlr3szb][/u:2hlr3szb]is my ama letter that states i can remain B all year sent just this week b4 texas. maybe i know alot more then you think i know " title="Smile"> and i know many other of these kids have the same letter i have. sooo see ya in texas.[/quote:2hlr3szb]



I'm wanting to know what kind of present he got, what color the wrapping was, and if it had a bow!! " title="Laughing">

Seems to me MTF is teaching riders the fine art of sandbagging. And it also seems that team managers really don't have the best interest of their riders by not advancing them when they should. They are looking at their own personal trophy count. The AMA truly shouldn't waste anyones time by coming up with rules that most riders actually acknowledge and don't enforce when others choose to not. Glad my $39 dollars this year went to printing a useless rule book.

I hope everyone that has moved up hires lawyers and goes after the AMA for screwing with them. Class action suit ..

Maybe we can keep a running tally of all the championships won this year in the B class by riders that should be in A. At the end of the year, we can have an ultimate sandbagger award, an ultimate sandbagger team manager, ultimate sandbagging trainer, etc. All of you are such a joke.

So, I guess we can just throw the rule book to the wind because they don't enforce it and now there's proof! Way to go AMA.

[quote="Twizzler":2q5nl6lz]Ha, doesn't surprise me one bit if this is true. The worthless AMA is spineless when it comes to the OEM's and various powerful teams. I think this may have just sealed the deal for me. I most likely will not be renewing my AMA membership this year (I almost didn't last year), nor will I race any AMA affiliated races. The ruling doesn't affect me personally, [b:2q5nl6lz]unless Cozadd is allowed to stay in 30=B/C,[/b:2q5nl6lz] but I choose not to support or fund a group who cannot properly manage it's own rulebook or structure.[/quote:2q5nl6lz]

Kevin did NOT qualify last Sunday in +30 B/C. He went in +25 and +35 (I think).