Attendance?

4/3/2016 12:34pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2016 12:42pm
with all the rain and snow this season. What would most do?
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with all the rain and snow this season. What would most do?
What would most do? Stay Home Out Of The Traffic & watch on HDTV...
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4/3/2016 1:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2016 1:45pm
I'm sure with that thinking they will add another cali race next year and drop Dallas. One thing they have to figure out is west/east split . Stupid way to wait a month and go back west. Then another month for Vegas please. Figure it out and get it right to keep the interest level up.
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4/3/2016 1:42pm
Kill the Semis and go back to that snoozefest formula where Top 9 in 450 transfer to main ? El Paso...I'd rather they try the format from early 80's where all top guys where on track minimum 3x.

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Told you guys it would be a ghost town with Cole not racing!
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6 races in California is excessive...
4/3/2016 11:36pm
with all the rain and snow this season. What would most do?
h&m_cycle wrote:
What would most do? Stay Home Out Of The Traffic & watch on HDTV...
No. They would be out riding in the epic conditions.

We know people who live down there and they went skiing in the Sierras instead with all the fresh snow.
Or they could have went dirt biking in the mountains or wakeboarding or any number of things.

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Would have been packed if it was round one of the playoffs! Tongue
4/4/2016 9:54am
Houston always had solid attendance as did Orlando when it ran the week after Daytona.
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OW38B wrote:
Do we think there is any correlation between the ticket prices and/or Live coverage and attendance? All of the California venues prices are 50% higher than...
Do we think there is any correlation between the ticket prices and/or Live coverage and attendance?

All of the California venues prices are 50% higher than they were 5 years ago.

You have Boston and New York Supercross's coming up and that will tell you if it's a California thing or a price thing.


Ask Feld how that second Atlanta race went last year?
Atlanta was pretty full last year considering it was back to back weekends . That was doomed from start but still pulled more fans than a-2 or a-3
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4/4/2016 10:56am
A "chase format" will fix these attendance issues!
Stamp it!

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OW38B wrote:
Do we think there is any correlation between the ticket prices and/or Live coverage and attendance? All of the California venues prices are 50% higher than...
Do we think there is any correlation between the ticket prices and/or Live coverage and attendance?

All of the California venues prices are 50% higher than they were 5 years ago.

You have Boston and New York Supercross's coming up and that will tell you if it's a California thing or a price thing.


Ask Feld how that second Atlanta race went last year?
Bodieg3 wrote:
Atlanta was pretty full last year considering it was back to back weekends . That was doomed from start but still pulled more fans than a-2...
Atlanta was pretty full last year considering it was back to back weekends . That was doomed from start but still pulled more fans than a-2 or a-3
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year?

The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices went from $50/60 to the current $90/100. I went to my first Anaheim in 1977 and always went every year until this year.

You get a tad "jaded" when you have been to 50 or so SX's.
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4/4/2016 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2016 12:11pm
OW38B wrote:
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year? The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices...
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year?

The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices went from $50/60 to the current $90/100. I went to my first Anaheim in 1977 and always went every year until this year.

You get a tad "jaded" when you have been to 50 or so SX's.
Hmm...I've been to something over 150 of them. Smile

Santa Clara was on the light side for sure. I just look at it as lots of elbow room. Wink
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GuyB wrote:
Hmm...I've been to something over 150 of them. :) Santa Clara was on the light side for sure. I just look at it as lots of...
Hmm...I've been to something over 150 of them. Smile

Santa Clara was on the light side for sure. I just look at it as lots of elbow room. Wink
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4/4/2016 12:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2016 12:25pm
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Hey, give me time. I'm not done yet. Wink

Let's see, 17 a year x how many more years?
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Supercross gets boring FAST! A good race is a very rare treat. The FORMAT SUCKS. Every year for the last few years I'm all amped up for the first few races and then it's all DVR for the 2 quickly mains. The rest is FLUFF. THANK GOD OUTDOORS IS ALMOST HERE
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Between heats, semis etc. there are 10 races every night. It's a little much. The system needs an overhaul. Heats can be boring because there are...
Between heats, semis etc. there are 10 races every night. It's a little much. The system needs an overhaul. Heats can be boring because there are only a few of the top riders. Maybe there could be a system that is more exciting.
10 races and only the last 2 matter. Other than a few lappers, it's the same guys in the main each week. It's gotta change.
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4/4/2016 12:48pm
I agree. Why is the east west shootout and monster cup so exciting? Tracks are fast. Speed is up. Usually balls to the wall pinned and then for the monster cup you have 3 mains.. Maybe do qualifying for the top 22 during the day (since it's usually the same top 22 guys anyway) and have 2 ten lap main events?

250 main 1

450 main 1

250 main 2

450 main 2



You look at the outdoors-2 mains each for points. It should be the same thing IMO.
But there is absolutely no need for semis..maybe just eliminating those would help a lot.


But I also think the chase format is the dumbest thing since the "lites" word. Why even care the first half if your points get robbed? Absolute joke.
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Night Show

450’s
4 Heats
2 Semis
1 LCQ
1 Main

250’s
1 Main
All qualifiers during the afternoon
Bikes stock other than suspension
2 years, move to 450’s
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It was the most perfect weather weekend of the year. Here in Sac, you could have snow and water skied in the same day. NorCal folks tend to be active. And I think the smaller SF venue is better than Oak/SJ
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4/4/2016 1:04pm
Putting it here, too: 2 10-lap 450 mains split by the 250 main, rest of schedule as is.
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4/4/2016 1:21pm
OW38B wrote:
Do we think there is any correlation between the ticket prices and/or Live coverage and attendance? All of the California venues prices are 50% higher than...
Do we think there is any correlation between the ticket prices and/or Live coverage and attendance?

All of the California venues prices are 50% higher than they were 5 years ago.

You have Boston and New York Supercross's coming up and that will tell you if it's a California thing or a price thing.


Ask Feld how that second Atlanta race went last year?
Bodieg3 wrote:
Atlanta was pretty full last year considering it was back to back weekends . That was doomed from start but still pulled more fans than a-2...
Atlanta was pretty full last year considering it was back to back weekends . That was doomed from start but still pulled more fans than a-2 or a-3
OW38B wrote:
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year? The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices...
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year?

The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices went from $50/60 to the current $90/100. I went to my first Anaheim in 1977 and always went every year until this year.

You get a tad "jaded" when you have been to 50 or so SX's.
Say what you want ! I'll bet the two atl races has as many in the seats as all 3 Anaheim races . And was back to back weekends not spread out .
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4/4/2016 1:43pm
Bodieg3 wrote:
Say what you want ! I'll bet the two atl races has as many in the seats as all 3 Anaheim races . And was back...
Say what you want ! I'll bet the two atl races has as many in the seats as all 3 Anaheim races . And was back to back weekends not spread out .
That 3 Anaheim round had pretty poor attendance this year. I'm betting it was less than 1.
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Having went to the ArenaCross race in Ontario this weekend, I feel the two main events makes both main events less important. Yeah it was sort of exciting because the pace of the night was quick. The Main event races were less than 8 minutes each. But as big of a fan of motocross/supercross that I am, I had no clue who was in the running for the overall win (besides knowing the Babbit's guys swept the first main and most likely one of them would win the overall again) and if it really means anything.

I went to Arena cross because I was in the Ontario area and it was only $20 per ticket. A1 cost me $90 per ticket for 200 section. Petco Park was $65 per ticket. (Nose bleeds at Anaheim are $55 so comparing that to St. Louis, Atlanta, Houston, etc. is difficult.) That's a prime ticket at other events.

If FELD wanted to sell out the stadiums every week they would drop ticket prices to reasonable amounts, bring back the $10 tickets for kids and sell/donate blocks of unsold tickets to the local military base and let the troops come watch or local boy scouts etc. If you want to grow the sport, people need to see it in person and enjoy it. When San Diego 1 was empty (the second round of the season when excitement is still supposed to be high) they should have went down to 32nd Street Naval base and given some of the troops free tickets and at least made it seem like the event was packed. San Diego 2 a month later (normal SD supercross date) was almost sold out. So that was strange.

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Adding gimmicks and more points bonuses for heats, head to heads, holeshots, etc, is a way to make it more complicated to follow in the stands. Because they don't ever put up a situation board for the current points/tallies. It's only been a couple years since they added the top 5 leader board.

However I do agree that the top riders need to be on the track more. Making the heat races longer again might help. Or take less from the Heat races, add another qualifier race besides the semi, so if you aren't in the top 2, then you continue to race a quarter final. That way the best riders are on the track more.

Or go with an opposite style of qualifying, knock out qualifying. A series of two sets of 20 riders race a heat of 4 laps, the back 5 are sent to the LCQ. Then 15 riders race another Heat of 4 laps. Back 5 are sent to the LCQ. The Top 10 riders race another 4 laps and the back 5 are sent to a 10 rider qualifier moto to determine the 10-20th gate picks. Then each Top 5 race for gate pick to solidify the top 10. An LCQ with the 20 dropped riders gives 2 riders the last chance to make the top 22 just in case a top rider has a major issue and cant make the cutoff point. Then a Main event with 22 riders. But the top guys are on the track for 36 laps instead of 26. And we get more meaningful gate drops with the best riders in the world on the track instead of the privateers. And the Main Event still is a singular focus.

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Putting it here, too: 2 10-lap 450 mains split by the 250 main, rest of schedule as is.
That would be cool!

Maybe even 2 15 lap mains if they are short lap times.
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OW38B wrote:
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year? The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices...
Atlanta 2 was so successful they did it again this year?

The Anaheim races always did well until a few years ago when the ticket prices went from $50/60 to the current $90/100. I went to my first Anaheim in 1977 and always went every year until this year.

You get a tad "jaded" when you have been to 50 or so SX's.
GuyB wrote:
Hmm...I've been to something over 150 of them. :) Santa Clara was on the light side for sure. I just look at it as lots of...
Hmm...I've been to something over 150 of them. Smile

Santa Clara was on the light side for sure. I just look at it as lots of elbow room. Wink
Since you have seen so much Steve, what are your suggestions to improve sx?
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Two ten lap races worth half the points. One 20 lap race worth full 25 points. Dungy can be beat in a short race , if he doesn't hole shot. Make starts really short keeps top guys from always getting holeshot. Long start top factory guys will always get holeshot
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crfby wrote:
Two ten lap races worth half the points. One 20 lap race worth full 25 points. Dungy can be beat in a short race , if...
Two ten lap races worth half the points. One 20 lap race worth full 25 points. Dungy can be beat in a short race , if he doesn't hole shot. Make starts really short keeps top guys from always getting holeshot. Long start top factory guys will always get holeshot
It seems like Dungey has won all the short start straights with short lap times races, I may be wrong but it seems like he has
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You could be right, but I think guys would be a little more motivated to hold him off if it were only ten laps. After all there lap times in practice are really close for top 10 guys

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