Compact Tractor Track Maintenance?

ccstrebe
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I have used everything to build and then prep my track. I can tell you from experience that something that small at best would barely work on a loose loamy track.

After twelve years and eight different machines I have arrived at what I consider the ultimate machine for a smaller track.

With an arsenal of attachments (bucket, custom built ripper with a ring roller, dozer blade, and laser level when needed) I can completely prep my 5/8 mile long track in two hours and that includes rebuilding broke down bowl turns and jump faces.

There is a four second shot of it at the 1:42 minute mark of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWZwreR-eA8
JB 19
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4/1/2016 3:12am
I kind of wrote off the tracked skid steers because of cost and the potential undercarriage cost, but maybe I sold rethink it. Apparently the hype is real with those things.
4/1/2016 3:39am
Pirate421 wrote:
There is one at the little local track that I ride at. I helped water and do track maintenance for a bit. If the dirt is...
There is one at the little local track that I ride at. I helped water and do track maintenance for a bit. If the dirt is loamy, it will probably be ok. We have clay here and try to disc with it and rebuild jumps and it's tricky sometimes . The bucket and box blade don't seem to be very easy to bring new dirt and shape takeoffs and landings. It can be done if you are good with the bucket and have time and it's better than shovels which is futile at best.
david225 wrote:
How do you go about disking the clay based soil? I have JD 30 HP with 6 foot discs and I have a hard time breaking...
How do you go about disking the clay based soil? I have JD 30 HP with 6 foot discs and I have a hard time breaking soil, especially when it is in the middle of summer. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I have to make multiple laps around the track before even breaking dirt up.
What we had to do was keep adding weight on top of the plow. Some say not too, but if your tractor will pull it let it rip. We had concrete blocks, tires, metal, bascially anything I could find to add weight!
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JB 19 wrote:
Anyone own one or have experience with one? People say they are much more versatile than skid steers. And about half the price....and a third of...
Anyone own one or have experience with one? People say they are much more versatile than skid steers. And about half the price....and a third of the price of a compact track loader.

You can buy a new one with a front loader and box blade for about 22,000. Seems like it would be great for light track prep.



You need one of these...you can pick them up used for the same amount of money if you look hard enough... Tak TL150. Beast... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEjdIP8UECA Try...
You need one of these...you can pick them up used for the same amount of money if you look hard enough... Tak TL150. Beast...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEjdIP8UECA

Try this with that toy tractor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IyydHlUUrQ
You're right, I do need one of those. Cool

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4/1/2016 3:49am
A filed cultivator with rolling baskets is the best thing for soil conditioning! I have also used power tillers behind the tractor. They work GREAT too but put alot more stress on the tractor!
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I just did some work on my track with a 14hp Iseki yesterday. Very sketchy. It's sandy, so only possible to do something after it rained. No ripping, just some grading. I felt I would flip it several times, as it is so narrow.

There are good suggestions in this thread. My track is about 1/2 mile, the best equipment I used was a CAT 257D loader. It is not meant for hauling dirt, but for maintenance and finishing unbeaten.

I'm looking for a used track loader now.
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4/1/2016 5:27am
JB 19 wrote:
This would be minor weekday prep for less than 20 people. Not full blown race day prep for 300 riders. Basically a toy for me, my...
This would be minor weekday prep for less than 20 people. Not full blown race day prep for 300 riders. Basically a toy for me, my kids, and some friends to be able to ride a decent track. The track will be built with a dozer.
I would think a tractor would be the hot ticket for you then, like you said, way more versatile than a skid steer.
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We used a Ford 9n for a few years ,just pulled the disc with it ,we never had the jump face break down enough to need much work.
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Compact tractors r dangerous on slopes and jumps.

That's how we lost Earl Canard. treys dad.


Get the right equipment. I've had many close calls with compact tractors.
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We use a Terex for our track. They are pricey but quick and strong as can be. Our track is clay and that thing will groom the ten acre track in no time pretty effortlessly.
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A tractors front axel swings,that is what causes a lot of rollovers. Get a lot of weight in the bucket and raise it on side hill and it is a long way till the axel stop touches. I use bolt on stops to reduce the travel.

I build jumps a tractor width and and half at least and pack the face with the wider rear tires backing up the face. You cant pack a narrow jump because when you try the middle one rear is off the edge hence the one and a half tractor width.

A 6 foot tiller is great for maintenance as long as the ground isnt packed and dry. A turning plow takes care of that and a hydraulic toplink lets me backup those steep jump faces without the implement digging in.

Tires filled with liquid are a must also.
4/1/2016 7:39am
Went from a pony motor start dozer to a high track D6 and a skid steer with tracks.

Just like in Big Fix Alaska!
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I haven't been in a newer skidsteer but the ones I've used beat me up till I figured pissing blood was possible. Its like riding a 3 point hitch backhoe I have,kidney buster.

Plus,a tractor you can drive to the beer store after you've had a 12 pack and not get arrested, around here anyways.
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4/1/2016 8:29am
hillbilly wrote:
I haven't been in a newer skidsteer but the ones I've used beat me up till I figured pissing blood was possible. Its like riding a...
I haven't been in a newer skidsteer but the ones I've used beat me up till I figured pissing blood was possible. Its like riding a 3 point hitch backhoe I have,kidney buster.

Plus,a tractor you can drive to the beer store after you've had a 12 pack and not get arrested, around here anyways.
I just know I'm gonna see you on the news someday.Laughing
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A lot of this will depend on what kind of soil you have and what you are trying to do. You are not going to get much done with one of those small compact tractors in clay or hard pack soil. Look into 40hp+ tractors.

I recently purchased a Mahindra 4540 for my own personal backyard track and farm use and I couldn't be happier. It is more cost efficient to rent equipment to build large scale obstacles and then maintain with a personal machine.

Luckily my soil is very sandy with a few spots of clay close to the surface. The tractor has a floating bucket so I can back drag things super smooth. I also can hook up a variety of implements like a disc or ripper but I just mainly use a box blade and a ghetto drag I made from a series of telephone poles. With my soil type it's also pretty easy to move dirt with this size tractor and make decent obstacles.

Hope this helps!









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4/1/2016 9:06am
The skiploader with the 4 in 1 bucket and box/rakes on the back was pretty good for our tiny track. I always wanted a bobcat for the tighter, sx style jumps because we just couldn't get them formed with a tractor like that.
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I have used a compact tractor on my track for 10 plus years. It does the job but not much digging. Once or twice a year i have to bail off when things get sketchy. Its the chance i gotta take since im poor.
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4/1/2016 9:18am
ctb108 wrote:
A lot of this will depend on what kind of soil you have and what you are trying to do. You are not going to get...
A lot of this will depend on what kind of soil you have and what you are trying to do. You are not going to get much done with one of those small compact tractors in clay or hard pack soil. Look into 40hp+ tractors.

I recently purchased a Mahindra 4540 for my own personal backyard track and farm use and I couldn't be happier. It is more cost efficient to rent equipment to build large scale obstacles and then maintain with a personal machine.

Luckily my soil is very sandy with a few spots of clay close to the surface. The tractor has a floating bucket so I can back drag things super smooth. I also can hook up a variety of implements like a disc or ripper but I just mainly use a box blade and a ghetto drag I made from a series of telephone poles. With my soil type it's also pretty easy to move dirt with this size tractor and make decent obstacles.

Hope this helps!









Now that is one hell of a great track. First photo is gnarly.
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4/1/2016 9:37am
ctb108 wrote:
A lot of this will depend on what kind of soil you have and what you are trying to do. You are not going to get...
A lot of this will depend on what kind of soil you have and what you are trying to do. You are not going to get much done with one of those small compact tractors in clay or hard pack soil. Look into 40hp+ tractors.

I recently purchased a Mahindra 4540 for my own personal backyard track and farm use and I couldn't be happier. It is more cost efficient to rent equipment to build large scale obstacles and then maintain with a personal machine.

Luckily my soil is very sandy with a few spots of clay close to the surface. The tractor has a floating bucket so I can back drag things super smooth. I also can hook up a variety of implements like a disc or ripper but I just mainly use a box blade and a ghetto drag I made from a series of telephone poles. With my soil type it's also pretty easy to move dirt with this size tractor and make decent obstacles.

Hope this helps!









Drool!!!!!!!!
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4/1/2016 7:30pm
The more I read about the Takeuchi TL150 the more impressive that thing sounds. A front tiller for corner prep would probably be awesome.
4/1/2016 8:08pm Edited Date/Time 4/1/2016 8:11pm
JB 19 wrote:
The more I read about the Takeuchi TL150 the more impressive that thing sounds. A front tiller for corner prep would probably be awesome.
It is well known that Louis Keller invented the skid steer, which led to the founding of Bobcat company. What is not as well known is that Takeuchi built the first compact tracked (as opposed to wheeled, like Keller's skid steer) earth moving machines (Compact track loaders and compact excavators). They build super heavy duty machines with a focus on simplicity, and brute power.

If money were no object and I were buying a machine for myself to run...sure...I would buy a CAT or something with a suspension for comfort, AC, fancy cab, etc. Get ready to drop $100K. But for value and reliability, or the best productivity for the money if I were running a business and employees were running the machine...I would buy a TAK every time. Everything about the machine is built heavy, toough, simple. Also, Tak TL150 = Mustang MTL25 = GEHL CT80. MTL 25s and GELH CT80s tend to sell for about 10% less....but same machine, just nameplated.

That said, there are a few downsides to the TL150. It is a big machine. BIG. You will need commercial drivers license to move it around. It is also a bit of fuel hog. A 100+ HP Engine will do that. Finally, it's Aux hydraulics are not as strong as some other mfgs. It rides rough. But for pure dirt moving speed and power, it is hard to beat.

There is one reliability issue with the TAK TL150. The Saur-Sundstrand main pumps have a poor control servo design. If you buy a machine that was run by employees /. operators who slammed the thing full power one way then the other, the servo seal / piston end wears the sleeve, which eventually causes control problems after about 2500 hours. The service shop will tell you that you need to buy a whole new pump body x 2 at $3500 a pop. But all you really have to do is take it to a good machine shop, sleeve it with cast iron, remachine to the proper fit, then re-hone it (the unworn area of the original sleeve will tell you what the ID needs to be), and put in new seals, and it is good for another 3000 hours. After I did this fix, and returned it to the service shop to put it all back together and test run it, they said it ran better than new. ZERO servo piston leakage, and the main pump itself bypassed less than .25 GPM at 5000 psi on the bypass. That is like 1/2 of the new spec...so basically it runs like a brand new pump. My machine had 3200 hours on it at the time.

Get a big bucket. It will push an 84" into hard ground easy. A Tilt-Tach is key as well, for sculpting berms...
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I built my home practice track with a track skid steer and maintain it with a 24hp Yanmar compact tractor and a 48" tandem disc harrow. Sometimes i use a 72" York rake as well if it needs leveled a bit for puddles and such but generally all i do not is disc it up a few passes and its good to go. Total length is 1/2 mile. Works great. Our dirt is mostly clay so i mix wood chips in every time i disc it but the dirt discs up nice! The jump faces i just touch up with the skid steer and leave them solid. For a home track, my small tractor works fantastic. But it takes about an hour of prep before each time we ride it to get the dirt nice and deep. I also made a water trailer with trash pump and tank i pull with my UTV.

So for building, you need at least a track skid steer. A dozer will make it happen even faster. I still think a track skid steer will be needed to fine tune everything and neaten it up. You can do a month long rental on either for around 3k on average. For maintenance you will need a disc harrow and or a cultivator. Figure out how wide your track is and then decide how wide of implement you will need. This will tell you how big of tractor you will need. You don't want to go too big if you have a tighter track. Smaller tractors with smaller implements are much more friendly on tight corners and such. For me, a 48" harrow is all i needed but my tractor will pull a 60" no problem. The smaller the harrow, the deeper and faster it will cut but obviously, in smaller sections. If its a home track you may do fine with a 24-35hp tractor. Mine has zero issues with what i do and when its prepped, the dirt is EPIC to ride on.

A little tip: I stopped by a construction site and asked if they needed to get rid of their dirt. They said YES and delivered a few hundred yards of soil for free Smile Those guys are always trying to find a place to dump dirt.

My track took a little over 100 hours on the skid, 80 hours on the tractor and about 10 hours on a dozer. Prep takes 1 hour on the tractor if damp or 2 hours if i need to water it first.







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I hope to get a skid steer some day but i needed something that can pull a mower too to start. My new toy er I mean tool just arrived. Looks like it needs some Star Racing Yamaha graphics.

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Or you can go the 1952 Ford 8n route. Lol. It does work though. Need a real tractor with a bucket once or twice a year to fix jump faces. My track is 1.4 miles. 8n handles it fine.




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