With Roczen probably going to Honda, will

Riesenberg448 3/22/2016 9:16am
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I think you're looking at it as Ken Roczen versus Jeremy Martin.

There is a bigger picture here, I find it hard to believe they hired Jeremy Martin as their #1 guy.

So instead, perhaps it is:
Ken Roczen versus (TBD 'lead' rider)
Broc Tickle/Jake Weimer versus Jeremy Martin

Regardless, losing Roczen will always sting because he's really good. But there is a potential to have a combination of two guys that could have a greater value than their current roster or perhaps equal.

There are a lot of contracts up this year. Seeing one of the red riders trade roles with Roczen wouldn't surprise me and a team with either Canard or Seely and Martin would be pretty strong... yet I do agree you can't replace a Roczen without another for sure title threat like a Dungey.
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You guys I think are under estimating Martin. Sure he hasn't been great at sx yet BUT he has been very very good outdoors and imo that will transfer to the 450. The other point I'd make is 250sx isn't always a accurate portrayal of what the future holds.. Maybe Martin will be the anti 250 guy, instead of being one of the many past 250sx champ who does nothing on the 450 in terms of contending he will be a guy who does the opposite.

He most certainly is their #1....... For now
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The synapses don't fire like they used to but, didn't RC and JS both have some problems in the regional SX series? If I were RC, I'd be mighty happy to get Martin. He's a proven hard worker that doesn't bring lots of baggage with him. Props to his parents there. Like RC said, "He won't get tired.".
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Premixed112 wrote:
Can someone tell me why it's assumed that Roczen will be signing with Honda? Because I've seen that being claimed a few times on here
kongols wrote:
It`s not a question of "will be signing". He already has.
2WheelsForTheMasses wrote:
Oh geez! Another board member with too much insight! . Please stop talking about things you haven't a clue on!! Speculation these days keeps people thinking...
Oh geez! Another board member with too much insight! .

Please stop talking about things you haven't a clue on!!

Speculation these days keeps people thinking their insiders....crazy!
I always find it funny that the people who simply won't bother to keep up on the current signings try to bash those that do. Kenny to Honda is old news. Time to step it up 2WheelsForTheMasses

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What? I'm glad you aren't signing riders for a team. You would make a terrible scout.

EDIT: Forgot to add in "IMHO"
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You would take Craig & Mookie over JMart in Outdoor Motocross... They have to race that too... LMAO...
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No offense but you contradict yourself multiple times in your post
You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole playbook of yard sales and inconsistencies indoors and out?
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You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole...
You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole playbook of yard sales and inconsistencies indoors and out?
^^ this .. Jmart is the next star of the 450 class
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Jmart had the red plate prior to his misfortunes last weekend didn't he? Has Roczen held the red plate at all this year? What place is...
Jmart had the red plate prior to his misfortunes last weekend didn't he? Has Roczen held the red plate at all this year? What place is Jmart currently in? 2nd? What place is Roczen currently in? 2nd? Am I missing something?

Roczen has one SX lites championship and one MX 450 championship. Jmart is still very much in the hunt for a SX lites championship with 2 MX lites championships and has a good chance to make it 3 after this year.

I'm pretty sure Jmart is exactly what all teams are looking for in a rider. Hard working and a proven winner.
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Yeah, no...I think there might have been 1 250sx where KR didn't qualify when he was doing it part time, Jmart failed to qualify how many...
Yeah, no...I think there might have been 1 250sx where KR didn't qualify when he was doing it part time, Jmart failed to qualify how many times in SX the previous 2 years? Not saying he won't be great, but Jmart isn't even close to Kenny in indoor skills.
He was not a part timer when this occurred back in 2013.

"The 250 West SX points leader, Red Bull KTM’s Ken Roczen, went down in the first turn of his heat race, then had a few more bobbles trying to come through the pack, and decided to pull off the track and head to the pits. It was a curious choice that resulted in a poor gate pick in the LCQ, and the racing Gods responded with the requisite LCQ first turn crash. Roczen got caught in it, and his work was cut out for him. He quickly moved through the traffic, but the four-lap race doesn’t allow much time to catch up, and he ended up third, missing the main. It was a shocking scenario that put wind back in the championship sails of GEICO Honda’s Eli Tomac for the main."
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Premixed112 wrote:
Can someone tell me why it's assumed that Roczen will be signing with Honda? Because I've seen that being claimed a few times on here
kongols wrote:
It`s not a question of "will be signing". He already has.
So if thats the case who is out seeley or canard??

side note i think jmart is going to have a hard time on the 450s, the dude is almost a midget.LOLTongue
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You say Martin hasn't proven himself worthy of a top rider on a team but then you say you'd take Craig, Mookie, Brayton all which have proven less. Canard and Seely have proven they will contend here and there but have yet to prove they can be legitimate title contenders. The upside on Martin is there and of all the riders you have stated, Martin the reigning 250 2x national champ is who'd I'd be risking money on for the next couple years..



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Premixed112 wrote:
Can someone tell me why it's assumed that Roczen will be signing with Honda? Because I've seen that being claimed a few times on here
kongols wrote:
It`s not a question of "will be signing". He already has.
PastranaWho wrote:
So if thats the case who is out seeley or canard?? side note i think jmart is going to have a hard time on the 450s...
So if thats the case who is out seeley or canard??

side note i think jmart is going to have a hard time on the 450s, the dude is almost a midget.LOLTongue
Looks like Canard to Kawasaki. From what I understand Seely is staying put, even though he had a lot of offers, KTM too.

(to sensitive people- this might change and perhaps is not set in stone)
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Looks like Canard to Kawasaki. From what I understand Seely is staying put, even though he had a lot of offers, KTM too. (to sensitive people-...
Looks like Canard to Kawasaki. From what I understand Seely is staying put, even though he had a lot of offers, KTM too.

(to sensitive people- this might change and perhaps is not set in stone)
Assuming Honda dont want to field 3 riders, which they can

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moto0852 wrote:
I always find it funny that the people who simply won't bother to keep up on the current signings try to bash those that do. Kenny...
I always find it funny that the people who simply won't bother to keep up on the current signings try to bash those that do. Kenny to Honda is old news. Time to step it up 2WheelsForTheMasses
Where is the proof of this though? Other than hearsay
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Where is the proof of this though? Other than hearsay
You don`t believe my word? LOL

In all seriousness, we`ll have to wait for November to get any proof.
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Where is the proof of this though? Other than hearsay
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You don`t believe my word? LOL

In all seriousness, we`ll have to wait for November to get any proof.
Ok, how about this.. Who's the source of this info?
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Premixed112 wrote:
Where is the proof of this though? Other than hearsay
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You don`t believe my word? LOL

In all seriousness, we`ll have to wait for November to get any proof.
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Ok, how about this.. Who's the source of this info?
Nobody that wants to keep getting inside info is going to put their source on blast.

EDIT: If you even remotely follow the SX/MX media, it's been mentioned many times that Kenny is going to Honda.
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BobPA wrote:
You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole...
You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole playbook of yard sales and inconsistencies indoors and out?
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^^ this .. Jmart is the next star of the 450 class
Jmart over Webb? I dont think so.

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BobPA wrote:
You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole...
You would take Malcolm Stewart over JMart? A dude with two national championships and some wins indoors, over a guy who has two wins and whole playbook of yard sales and inconsistencies indoors and out?
kiwifan wrote:
^^ this .. Jmart is the next star of the 450 class
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Jmart over Webb? I dont think so.
Why are you so sure Webb will be better? Martin has handled Webb outdoors. I think they'll both be good
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Jmart over Webb? I dont think so.
I agree... I'm thinking Webb gets better starts & keeps it on 2 wheels enough for the 250 outdoor title...

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kiwifan wrote:
^^ this .. Jmart is the next star of the 450 class
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Jmart over Webb? I dont think so.
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Why are you so sure Webb will be better? Martin has handled Webb outdoors. I think they'll both be good
Getting signed by Factory Yamaha compared to RCH says it all.
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Your logic is so flawed. You attempt to prove your point by comparing his starts to Canard and that's why he will fail at SX. Yet in a previous post you say you would sign Canard over Martin. Martin has and can win SX races. Canard won a SX title and ????? As for starts, guys will holeshot all year and the next can't get one.

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Benihana225 wrote:
Jmart over Webb? I dont think so.
I thought this thread was talking about JMart not Webb...anyway...no where did I say he was better than Webb both will be stars...no doubt about it
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Ok, how about this.. Who's the source of this info?
It`s not true, it`s all haox. Is that what you want to hear? Happy?
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Premixed112 wrote:
Ok, how about this.. Who's the source of this info?
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It`s not true, it`s all haox. Is that what you want to hear? Happy?
Lol calm down, man. I'm just trying to figure out how this is apparently common knowledge and how legitimate it is. Rule #1 of the internet: question everything and trust no one.
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Benihana225 wrote:
Jmart over Webb? I dont think so.
Dezerted wrote:
Why are you so sure Webb will be better? Martin has handled Webb outdoors. I think they'll both be good
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Getting signed by Factory Yamaha compared to RCH says it all.
Really all it says is Yamaha believes more in Webb or it could say Webb wanted less $$ or it could say Martin didn't want to stay blue. Oh and Let's not forget RCH runs a factory Suzuki

The factory's have been wrong before. My opinion is not enough stock has been put into his outdoor prowess and I've seen steady improvement in sx. His ride through the pack in Toronto was proof that he has the potential..

I don't know who will be better or if either will be great but Martin is one of the top prospects without a doubt.. The 250 class can be full of fools gold when it comes to 450 greatness
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Lol calm down, man. I'm just trying to figure out how this is apparently common knowledge and how legitimate it is. Rule #1 of the internet...
Lol calm down, man. I'm just trying to figure out how this is apparently common knowledge and how legitimate it is. Rule #1 of the internet: question everything and trust no one.
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Great observation. Do Moto fans really believe sponsors view Martin the same as Roczen?
not yet but maybe at some point
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Lol calm down, man. I'm just trying to figure out how this is apparently common knowledge and how legitimate it is. Rule #1 of the internet...
Lol calm down, man. I'm just trying to figure out how this is apparently common knowledge and how legitimate it is. Rule #1 of the internet: question everything and trust no one.
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Premixed112 wrote:
Ok, how about this.. Who's the source of this info?
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It`s not true, it`s all haox. Is that what you want to hear? Happy?
He is just asking if you have a source or if you pulled it from were you get all of your other bright ideas.

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