Roger Decoster on Ryan Dungey's Penalty in Detroit

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GuyB 3/20/2016 9:43am
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How can they penalize dunge if the flagger isnt going to make himself visible? He might as well been standing there waving a bar napkin with...
How can they penalize dunge if the flagger isnt going to make himself visible? He might as well been standing there waving a bar napkin with a red marker pen cross on it.

Its like putting speed limit signs behind a hedgerow. If i cant see it, does it exist? Hell no!

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Shame for Dungey, but Roger is a class act as usual in explanation & decision to just take the hit and move on. Some team managers...
Shame for Dungey, but Roger is a class act as usual in explanation & decision to just take the hit and move on. Some team managers would have absolutely lost their heads about something like this.
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Sandberm 3/20/2016 9:55am
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One has to wonder how Larry Brooks would have handled this.

That Gallagher guy would be like, "First Trey pokes me in the chest, now i have a neck rash from the headlock Brooks put me in,..."
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Big Lenny 3/20/2016 10:00am
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I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew that he messed up when he pulled in...He told Jenny Taft something different..

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You can even go to court and show evidence ya couldnt see a stop sign till its too late and if its poor placement then it gets thrown out and they fix the sign. Why is this any different? Cuz its fim and these fucks are just morons
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GuyB wrote:
It was initiated by the officials. One team manager inquired about it, but there was no protest from a team.
which team manager inquired about it?
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Who needs a chase when the results can change after the race is over and the podium interviews are done? Just randomly change shit after the race to keep all the points the same. Same result.

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Big Lenny wrote:
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew...
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew that he messed up when he pulled in...He told Jenny Taft something different..
Still not much of a Dungey fan, huh Len?
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Big Lenny 3/20/2016 11:58am
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Big Lenny wrote:
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew...
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew that he messed up when he pulled in...He told Jenny Taft something different..
davistld01 wrote:
Still not much of a Dungey fan, huh Len?
Like to make a small wager that's what went on?...
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MxKing809 3/20/2016 12:01pm
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GuyB wrote:
It was initiated by the officials. One team manager inquired about it, but there was no protest from a team.
That may be the case, but IMO that's as good as a protest. "Hey Galliger, wanna take a beat a look at that again? If you don't we'll protest"......
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Why did Jenny Taft ask him what the mechanic said?...
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What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
Whoa Daddy Warbucks! Its $12,000, 2nd is $6,000, and 3rd is $4,250.
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bob567 wrote:
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
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Whoa Daddy Warbucks! Its $12,000, 2nd is $6,000, and 3rd is $4,250.
Factory bonus is typically in the $100,000 per race range in the 450 class. Plus gear sponsor bonus, goggle bonus, energy drink bonus, +++
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bob567 wrote:
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
Katoomey wrote:
Whoa Daddy Warbucks! Its $12,000, 2nd is $6,000, and 3rd is $4,250.
He's right. 100,000 maybe 200,000 according to Matthes. You need to think of KTM bonuses and Redbull too, not just the gas money FELD pays
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Big Lenny wrote:
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew...
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew that he messed up when he pulled in...He told Jenny Taft something different..
How do you know he said I didn't 'see it'. Maybe he just said I didn't see it.

Quick edit.
if it was James who said he didn't see it you would back that statement 100%.
P.S. I don't post much round here but I've been around long enough to 'get ya' lenny an your cool so don't take my post the wrong way
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bob567 wrote:
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
Katoomey wrote:
Whoa Daddy Warbucks! Its $12,000, 2nd is $6,000, and 3rd is $4,250.
MxKing809 wrote:
He's right. 100,000 maybe 200,000 according to Matthes. You need to think of KTM bonuses and Redbull too, not just the gas money FELD pays
He said "gas money".Laughing Laughing Laughing
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bob567 wrote:
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
Katoomey wrote:
Whoa Daddy Warbucks! Its $12,000, 2nd is $6,000, and 3rd is $4,250.
Dungey's KTM win bonus alone is $85K.
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GuyB wrote:
Dungey's KTM win bonus alone is $85K.
Woohoo Woohoo Woohoo
no wonder he don't like to finish off the podium

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500guy wrote:
Am I the only one who saw this same thing happen to Anderson in the qualifier ? The guy half ass threw the red cross flag...
Am I the only one who saw this same thing happen to Anderson in the qualifier ?

The guy half ass threw the red cross flag while Anderson was going around Reed, they all kept on the gas.

I saw the Anderson one as well, it came out very late, and Anderson could not have made the choice to get on the binders and roll, it sounds like dungey was in a similar spot, but the point that needs to be taken away from this is that Ryan did not gain a two position advantage by jumping the double, and he made an effort to slow down after the fact as Roger put it, you could see it in his lap time, so there has to be a solution that is fair, and docking two positions clearly is not it..
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wlauderdale219 3/20/2016 1:41pm
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It's honestly a better off for KTM so that's why theyre not making a huge deal out of it. Husky is own by KTM so it just another win for them by a different rider to show that it's the bike not just Dungey. So if Musquin can get a win that's three different riders with wins and now 2 for Husky which is better for a company then one rider just doing it. That's why I will never understand why kawasaki wouldn't hire a top rider to go along with Eli. You look at every brand they have two guys that can win on there brand except for kawi which to me isn't good for the brand.
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Big Lenny 3/20/2016 1:43pm
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Big Lenny wrote:
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew...
I just looked at the replay, after the race his mechanic said something to him, he said he didn't "see it", so I assume he knew that he messed up when he pulled in...He told Jenny Taft something different..
rompin87 wrote:
How do you know he said I didn't 'see it'. Maybe he just said I didn't see it. Quick edit. if it was James who said...
How do you know he said I didn't 'see it'. Maybe he just said I didn't see it.

Quick edit.
if it was James who said he didn't see it you would back that statement 100%.
P.S. I don't post much round here but I've been around long enough to 'get ya' lenny an your cool so don't take my post the wrong way
Well I'll try and make try to make it simple for you or anybody who doesn't have a TV...When Dungey pulled in for his post race interview, his mechanic came over and said something to him, then Dungey responded and I heard him say, " I didn't see it"..then Jenny Taft said, "What did your mechanic say to you?"..Dungey then switched it up and started talking about the bike and the track..

And what does James have to do with anything Mr. Left Field?...
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500guy wrote:
Am I the only one who saw this same thing happen to Anderson in the qualifier ? The guy half ass threw the red cross flag...
Am I the only one who saw this same thing happen to Anderson in the qualifier ?

The guy half ass threw the red cross flag while Anderson was going around Reed, they all kept on the gas.

chase4372 wrote:
I saw the Anderson one as well, it came out very late, and Anderson could not have made the choice to get on the binders and...
I saw the Anderson one as well, it came out very late, and Anderson could not have made the choice to get on the binders and roll, it sounds like dungey was in a similar spot, but the point that needs to be taken away from this is that Ryan did not gain a two position advantage by jumping the double, and he made an effort to slow down after the fact as Roger put it, you could see it in his lap time, so there has to be a solution that is fair, and docking two positions clearly is not it..


Still waiting for the footage of Dungey.
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bob567 wrote:
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
must be kidding ...thats the total price money for a event

below payouts anaheim 2016

Final Purse Total
$121,080.00

450 SX | Main Event Payout – $66,950

Jason Anderson | $12,000
Ryan Dungey | $6,000
Cole Seely | $4,250 plus $1500 holeshot award
Eli Tomac | $3250
Ken Roczen | $3010
Chad Reed | $2780
Trey Canard | $2630
Davi Millsaps | $2530
Dean Wilson | $2480
Justin Brayton | $2430
Broc Tickle | $2400
Jake Weimer| $2380
Justin Bogle | $2335
Marvin Musquin | $2280
Justin Barcia | $2255
Mike Alessi | $2230
Wil Hahn | $2205
Christophe Pourcel | $2180
Kyle Chisholm | $2155
Tommy Hahn | $2135
Lawson Bopping | $1620
James Stewart | $1415

250 SX | Main Event Payout – $24,915

Cooper Webb | $3350
Jessy Nelson | $2325 plus $1000 holeshot award
Zach Osborne | $1825
Jimmy Decotis | $1625
Jordon Smith | $1550
Alex Martin | $995
Colt Nichols| $977
Joey Savatgy | $928
Mitchell Oldenburg | $875
Kyle Peters | $865
Hayden Mellross | $855
Cole Martinez | $845
Mitchell Harrison | $835
Fredrik Noren | $825
Zach Bell | $815
Trevor Reis | $805
Christian Craig | $795
Cole Thompson | $785
Kyle Cunningham | $775
Maxime Desprey | $765
Chris Alldredge | $755
Chris Howell | $745

http://motocross.transworld.net/news/2016-anaheim-one-sx-purse-payout/#…
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RichardLoots wrote:
must be kidding ...thats the total price money for a event below payouts anaheim 2016 Final Purse Total $121,080.00 450 SX | Main Event Payout –...
must be kidding ...thats the total price money for a event

below payouts anaheim 2016

Final Purse Total
$121,080.00

450 SX | Main Event Payout – $66,950

Jason Anderson | $12,000
Ryan Dungey | $6,000
Cole Seely | $4,250 plus $1500 holeshot award
Eli Tomac | $3250
Ken Roczen | $3010
Chad Reed | $2780
Trey Canard | $2630
Davi Millsaps | $2530
Dean Wilson | $2480
Justin Brayton | $2430
Broc Tickle | $2400
Jake Weimer| $2380
Justin Bogle | $2335
Marvin Musquin | $2280
Justin Barcia | $2255
Mike Alessi | $2230
Wil Hahn | $2205
Christophe Pourcel | $2180
Kyle Chisholm | $2155
Tommy Hahn | $2135
Lawson Bopping | $1620
James Stewart | $1415

250 SX | Main Event Payout – $24,915

Cooper Webb | $3350
Jessy Nelson | $2325 plus $1000 holeshot award
Zach Osborne | $1825
Jimmy Decotis | $1625
Jordon Smith | $1550
Alex Martin | $995
Colt Nichols| $977
Joey Savatgy | $928
Mitchell Oldenburg | $875
Kyle Peters | $865
Hayden Mellross | $855
Cole Martinez | $845
Mitchell Harrison | $835
Fredrik Noren | $825
Zach Bell | $815
Trevor Reis | $805
Christian Craig | $795
Cole Thompson | $785
Kyle Cunningham | $775
Maxime Desprey | $765
Chris Alldredge | $755
Chris Howell | $745

http://motocross.transworld.net/news/2016-anaheim-one-sx-purse-payout/#…
These guys are not only payed by purse money... luckily
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bob567 wrote:
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course...
What is a 450 Supercross Main Event win worth -$100,000? Sure hope the video evidence shows Dungey intentionally jumping if that is the case. Of course it will not.
Katoomey wrote:
Whoa Daddy Warbucks! Its $12,000, 2nd is $6,000, and 3rd is $4,250.
GuyB wrote:
Dungey's KTM win bonus alone is $85K.
So does Ktm still pay Dungey the win bonus?
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Big Lenny wrote:
Well I'll try and make try to make it simple for you or anybody who doesn't have a TV...When Dungey pulled in for his post race...
Well I'll try and make try to make it simple for you or anybody who doesn't have a TV...When Dungey pulled in for his post race interview, his mechanic came over and said something to him, then Dungey responded and I heard him say, " I didn't see it"..then Jenny Taft said, "What did your mechanic say to you?"..Dungey then switched it up and started talking about the bike and the track..

And what does James have to do with anything Mr. Left Field?...
Yes you're right my bad nothing to do with James.
Dungey didn't see it, that's good enough for me.
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The red cross flag needs to be waved going into the corner before the section that the rider is down and there needs to be a green flag releasing the riders back to racing speed after the downed rider. The race director needs to train the flaggers how to properly present the flag, not just say stand here and hold the flag when we tell you to.
Like I have always said at work. Its all about the 5 "P's". Proper Planing Prevents Poor Performance!!
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You know, seriously...if it was ANYBODY else but Dungey, I'd have my doubts on whether he really didn't see it. But, he's known as the most or one of the most straight-up guys out there, and I'd have to believe he'd confess to it if he really saw it and jumped anyway.
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The guys waiving the red and blue flags are the same AMA officials every week, not the local volunteer flag crew. The volunteer local flaggers only have the yellow in there hands on the perimeter of the track. Only the AMA officials are flagging on the interior of the track. I'm sure these guys are trained and are professionals.
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VintageRacer wrote:
The guys waiving the red and blue flags are the same AMA officials every week, not the local volunteer flag crew. The volunteer local flaggers only...
The guys waiving the red and blue flags are the same AMA officials every week, not the local volunteer flag crew. The volunteer local flaggers only have the yellow in there hands on the perimeter of the track. Only the AMA officials are flagging on the interior of the track. I'm sure these guys are trained and are professionals.
You are sure? Dungey is a professional as well and said he didn't see the flag so?

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