A plan to move dirt bikes out of Baltimore neighborhoods

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This is the slap in the face for me, we run the risk (us law abiding citizens) of getting arrested around here for riding off road, the boyz were out in force last night around my area
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This is the slap in the face for me, we run the risk (us law abiding citizens) of getting arrested around here for riding off road...
This is the slap in the face for me, we run the risk (us law abiding citizens) of getting arrested around here for riding off road, the boyz were out in force last night around my area

I feel ya Tony.

Thing is, it's the elected officials, usually installed by the local majority, act as their constituents want.

A judge has a guy come up in front of him, paralyzed from the neck down.
A cop was chasing him.
The judge gives the guy 4 million, saying the cop used undue force or actions, chasing him, causing him to wreck.

The local officials say whoa, we can't afford any more like this, quit chasing.

The people want it to stop, the people need to get that judge out of there, and put a guy in there that says, well,
You shouldn't have run dude, tough shit, welfare only for the rest of your life.
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So you cats have a problem wiith them riding on the streets, and now you have a problem with them riding in a park?...
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Big Lenny wrote:
So you cats have a problem wiith them riding on the streets, and now you have a problem with them riding in a park?...
Big Lenny I don't want to seem like I'm patronizing you because you seem like an old school guy and I like your posts, but there is a moto track around here, yes you have to pay to ride, this is my tenth year as a member and have yet to see a urban rider at the track, they were riding around my neighborhood yesterday evening though

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3/5/2016 7:00am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2016 7:01am
Big Lenny wrote:
So you cats have a problem wiith them riding on the streets, and now you have a problem with them riding in a park?...
Hey, it's their backyard, they do what they want.

Does it piss me off the reputation it brings, and therefor the goodwill it costs that place, my old town, fucking right
I have a problem with it.

And the problem I have with the park thing is, it just will not work, for the issues listed above.
Along with the side you will take, and the way you will try to sell it to any gullible soul that will listen.

You're the guy, or the type of guy, imo, that believes in the 4 mill to the poor soul that ran from the heat.

You are the problem.
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Big Lenny wrote:
So you cats have a problem wiith them riding on the streets, and now you have a problem with them riding in a park?...
I have a problem with them riding in our streets..

I also have a problem paying for them to ride legally.

Who pays for me to fill my tanks and drive 25-60 min to ride? I do

I have plenty of spots I could ride right around my house, but I don't because it's against the law.

Are you saying that if we don't agree to build them a track that they should be allowed to ignore the law?
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A short story. I was a part of a state-wide Off-Road advocacy group that worked to keep existing riding areas open and get new opportunities through legislative means. We were successful in helping get a new park opened up. The problem was, where this park was located was in an area where many people already rode, some legally and some illegally, for free. Finding suitable tracts of land is not easy. Anyway, the folks that rode there all their lives were pissed because they lost their "free" spot. Locals just found other places since this was a semi-rural area that had lots of old strip mine and large forested tracts. Most of the people that came to ride there came in from areas that lacked a suitable place to ride. So the people who were used to hauling to ride used it, but the people who were close by didn't.

I see the same thing happening here. I get the idea of trying to provide people with a better place to go and get them off the streets. But unless it's free, can be accessed legally directly from the neighborhoods where these kooks ride now, features paved streets, drag racing lanes and cameras that beam their stunts around the 'net, don't expect the street hooligans to show up.

I'm only an hour north of Baltimore, so if it was a real off-road park, I'd drive down and use it. Wait, on second thought, I'd be afraid of my stuff getting stolen while I was there. Nevermind.
3/5/2016 7:36am
motogrady wrote:
Ain't gonna work. Wish it would, but get real. Like it's been mentioned, it's the breaking the law, the gangsta thrill that feeds that situation. Ain't...
Ain't gonna work. Wish it would, but get real.

Like it's been mentioned, it's the breaking the law, the gangsta thrill that feeds that situation.
Ain't no homie gonna wait for the track to open, have the right gear, be told what he can an can not do.
The guys that use them to run drugs will still use them to run drugs.
How they gonna stop that? Finally shoot a few in the back because they're not "at the track".

Was a guy on here a few years ago, from Maryland, good guy, smart guy. Got pissed when they shut down public land riding.
Which, by the way was done by Omally, the governor at the time, yes, the guy that ran for president a few months ago.
His reasoning was the timber forests, mainly in the western part of Maryland, where he never went, could not get a
top rating from whatever group rates that kind of stuff. Motorized riding, even tho on state approved trails, kept
those forests from being deemed "prestine".

And a "pristine" forest is worth more to a logging company than a regular forest, which increases the value,
which increases the States credit rating.

So they took the public riding areas away.

But I digress.

The guy that was on here went to Annapolis, where they make Marylands laws, and bitched about it.
They played dumb, said they did not realize it was an issue, and sure, they would help fund a series of motocross tracks and riding areas, just let them know the places available and they would get to work on it.

Long story short, they made it so involved, so expensive, so complex the guy just gave up. Track designs
had to meet, government specs. Insurances had to be in place, you know somebody is gonna sue when they break their neck. EPA had to sign off. Attendants and track workers had to be trained and paid with benefits.
Permits for each location needed to be acquired.
And someone had to keep track of all this.

Laughing yeah, they wanted to help. They got their credit rating, and sure felt bad we got the right to ride yanked
from under us.Whistling That's the reality of government, especially in Maryland

And that's just what you're gonna see when this pipe dream comes down.

As far as stopping this scourge, I'll tell you what worked on a large scale in the county I lived in, Anne Arundel.
The county police bought 10 Yamaha 400 dual sports, and formed a squad to chase anyone riding illegally.
They would run a guy down, confiscate the bike and arrest you. Word at the time was they were pretty good,
not unbeatable, a good rider could still get away some times, but it stopped a lot of guys from just riding in some farmers field when they felt like it.

But alas, until the majority of people in Baltimore are willing to arrest, indict and lock up what amounts to their own,
Nothing is gonna change.
I am pretty sure the guy you are talking about is a friend of mine. I got to know him through the same effort. He's the guy that sent me the link for this project.

There are a lot of issues here, the stolen bikes being one.

These guys want attention and to impress the chicks. Maybe there is room here for a new concept of an inner city bike park that could turn a negative situation into a more positive one. Maybe if these guys had a forum (wheelie contests, races etc.) that was fun and gave them something to do. they would try and do it in a legit way.
There ain't a dude on this forum who hasn't taken a blast down a public street at some point. The stolen bikes are another issue. It's completely understandable why people would be pissed. I've had bikes stolen myself, although it was a white punk pillhead who took my RM125, not a black dude from Baltimore.
Anyhow, Baltimore authorities are desperate to do something about this situation. What if the mx community actually stepped in and helped?
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Feel good thread of the day...
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So...

If my friends and I go out every day and drive 150mph down the freeway, ignoring the police and putting other drivers lives in danger...

Will my town build me a Nascar track to reward me for breaking the law?
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3/5/2016 7:52am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2016 7:54am
Lenny, why do you care?

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Maybe the local authorities could go to Walmart and buy a lot of broomsticks to hand out to all of the residents. A WHOLE LOT of broomsticks.Tongue
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motogrady wrote:
Ain't gonna work. Wish it would, but get real. Like it's been mentioned, it's the breaking the law, the gangsta thrill that feeds that situation. Ain't...
Ain't gonna work. Wish it would, but get real.

Like it's been mentioned, it's the breaking the law, the gangsta thrill that feeds that situation.
Ain't no homie gonna wait for the track to open, have the right gear, be told what he can an can not do.
The guys that use them to run drugs will still use them to run drugs.
How they gonna stop that? Finally shoot a few in the back because they're not "at the track".

Was a guy on here a few years ago, from Maryland, good guy, smart guy. Got pissed when they shut down public land riding.
Which, by the way was done by Omally, the governor at the time, yes, the guy that ran for president a few months ago.
His reasoning was the timber forests, mainly in the western part of Maryland, where he never went, could not get a
top rating from whatever group rates that kind of stuff. Motorized riding, even tho on state approved trails, kept
those forests from being deemed "prestine".

And a "pristine" forest is worth more to a logging company than a regular forest, which increases the value,
which increases the States credit rating.

So they took the public riding areas away.

But I digress.

The guy that was on here went to Annapolis, where they make Marylands laws, and bitched about it.
They played dumb, said they did not realize it was an issue, and sure, they would help fund a series of motocross tracks and riding areas, just let them know the places available and they would get to work on it.

Long story short, they made it so involved, so expensive, so complex the guy just gave up. Track designs
had to meet, government specs. Insurances had to be in place, you know somebody is gonna sue when they break their neck. EPA had to sign off. Attendants and track workers had to be trained and paid with benefits.
Permits for each location needed to be acquired.
And someone had to keep track of all this.

Laughing yeah, they wanted to help. They got their credit rating, and sure felt bad we got the right to ride yanked
from under us.Whistling That's the reality of government, especially in Maryland

And that's just what you're gonna see when this pipe dream comes down.

As far as stopping this scourge, I'll tell you what worked on a large scale in the county I lived in, Anne Arundel.
The county police bought 10 Yamaha 400 dual sports, and formed a squad to chase anyone riding illegally.
They would run a guy down, confiscate the bike and arrest you. Word at the time was they were pretty good,
not unbeatable, a good rider could still get away some times, but it stopped a lot of guys from just riding in some farmers field when they felt like it.

But alas, until the majority of people in Baltimore are willing to arrest, indict and lock up what amounts to their own,
Nothing is gonna change.
I am pretty sure the guy you are talking about is a friend of mine. I got to know him through the same effort. He's the...
I am pretty sure the guy you are talking about is a friend of mine. I got to know him through the same effort. He's the guy that sent me the link for this project.

There are a lot of issues here, the stolen bikes being one.

These guys want attention and to impress the chicks. Maybe there is room here for a new concept of an inner city bike park that could turn a negative situation into a more positive one. Maybe if these guys had a forum (wheelie contests, races etc.) that was fun and gave them something to do. they would try and do it in a legit way.
There ain't a dude on this forum who hasn't taken a blast down a public street at some point. The stolen bikes are another issue. It's completely understandable why people would be pissed. I've had bikes stolen myself, although it was a white punk pillhead who took my RM125, not a black dude from Baltimore.
Anyhow, Baltimore authorities are desperate to do something about this situation. What if the mx community actually stepped in and helped?
Shame really, that guy had like 10 places lined up
Across the state. I think I sent him some stuff to help with govt regs on track design.

Freaking Annapolis played him like a fiddle.
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Lenny,

Why can't they load the bike and drive like the rest of us have too? Why does the track have to come to them? I don't have a lot of money but nobody is building me anything or making excuses for me when I get in trouble for breaking the law when I ride my bike down Main Street
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Its called Detroit , let them ride the streets there all they want want ,when they get tired they can pick an empty house and go to sleep in it.
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The other issue (stolen bikes) imo would not be solved by giving them a place to ride. In fact it could become a greater problem
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I'd love to see a meeting where the target audience is invited to come an offer ideas on what would work for them. I wonder how many would show up?
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The other issue (stolen bikes) imo would not be solved by giving them a place to ride. In fact it could become a greater problem
Exactly, bring more stolen stuff,drugs,problems, hood rat life.
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The other issue (stolen bikes) imo would not be solved by giving them a place to ride. In fact it could become a greater problem
mxb2 wrote:
Exactly, bring more stolen stuff,drugs,problems, hood rat life.
Ignorance x 10..
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Big Lenny wrote:
Ignorance x 10..
Im with you Lenny. How dare these people make assumptions based on reality?
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The other issue (stolen bikes) imo would not be solved by giving them a place to ride. In fact it could become a greater problem
mxb2 wrote:
Exactly, bring more stolen stuff,drugs,problems, hood rat life.
Big Lenny wrote:
Ignorance x 10..
I totally agree with Lenny on this.

Those guys are too smart to bring a stolen to a place where the law could run a vin.

Those would be kept for after hours, for running dopeWoohoo
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So...

-We ignore the fact the bikes are probably stolen
-Take tax dollars to build the thieves a track
-I'm gonna guess that when they get hurt we will give them free healthcare
-Disability payments for the rest of their lives

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Sandberm wrote:
So... -We ignore the fact the bikes are probably stolen -Take tax dollars to build the thieves a track -I'm gonna guess that when they get...
So...

-We ignore the fact the bikes are probably stolen
-Take tax dollars to build the thieves a track
-I'm gonna guess that when they get hurt we will give them free healthcare
-Disability payments for the rest of their lives

hahaha
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Has anybody seen the movie Creed? I saw it last night. Not a bad movie, but there was one scene that was basically promoting the wheelie boys. It stained the whole movie for me.
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3/5/2016 8:42am Edited Date/Time 3/5/2016 8:43am
mxb2 wrote:
Exactly, bring more stolen stuff,drugs,problems, hood rat life.
Big Lenny wrote:
Ignorance x 10..
motogrady wrote:
I totally agree with Lenny on this. Those guys are too smart to bring a stolen to a place where the law could run a vin...
I totally agree with Lenny on this.

Those guys are too smart to bring a stolen to a place where the law could run a vin.

Those would be kept for after hours, for running dopeWoohoo
Where do you think they get the stolen bikes from?..can't see too many suspicious Black cats going into certain neighborhoods getting these bikes..Whistling
3/5/2016 8:45am
I think that a large circle track for wheelies, and a grandstand, might actually work. They'd still get to show off, and people would live to see them wheelie. Of course gangs will inevitable show up and fuck it up, but it might work for a while.
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Nice idea but most likely a complete failure.
You are not dealing with people that want to play by the rules and load up bikes to ride at a moto park. If it is not illegal and dangerous to the police and public then there would be no interest. Does not matter if it's inner city blacks or backwoods white trash...a park will not solve these kids issues.
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Big Lenny wrote:
Ignorance x 10..
motogrady wrote:
I totally agree with Lenny on this. Those guys are too smart to bring a stolen to a place where the law could run a vin...
I totally agree with Lenny on this.

Those guys are too smart to bring a stolen to a place where the law could run a vin.

Those would be kept for after hours, for running dopeWoohoo
Big Lenny wrote:
Where do you think they get the stolen bikes from?..can't see too many suspicious Black cats going into certain neighborhoods getting these bikes..Whistling
They steal them. How many people do you think we're screwed over by a "test ride" via craigslist.
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Flatliner wrote:
They steal them. How many people do you think we're screwed over by a "test ride" via craigslist.
Think deeper...
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Dezerted wrote:
The other issue (stolen bikes) imo would not be solved by giving them a place to ride. In fact it could become a greater problem
mxb2 wrote:
Exactly, bring more stolen stuff,drugs,problems, hood rat life.
Big Lenny wrote:
Ignorance x 10..
Its called reality, try it. What a suprise you defend the hood rats. Come out out to baltimore ,bring a bike,see how long it lasts in the back of a truck. All talk.,like usual .

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