Showa TAC SKF glide kit

2/13/2016 11:35am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2016 11:36am
Bruce372 wrote:
The plastic piston insert is too long so the nut won't wind all the way down. See the paper wedged in the gap...[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/02/10/123414/s1200_20160210_210953.jpg[/img]
The plastic piston insert is too long so the nut won't wind all the way down. See the paper wedged in the gap...

Is this on a -16 kxf 450? Because it doesn't fit these, my suspension guy tells me there are new parts for this bike coming soon.
i think its a 2015 but its fits if you just snug it down little harder. and if it dont fit then just grind i little of the plastic piston.
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2/13/2016 12:10pm
Nope, it's a 2015 rmz, so it's got the original piston and not the upgraded oem piston that came out in 2016.

In hindsight, I think the lainer kit is better value and less hassle.

If your forks are old and the cartridge seals need serving then the skf kit is good value
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Can anyone please explain me more about the “securing punches” on the cartridge body?
From Inntek YouTube video I cannot understand if securing punches are sticking out from the cartridge body or they are “punched in” the cartridge?
What’s their purpose? Prevent the cartridge bolt to unscrew?
What happen if I try to unscrew the bolt leaving the securing punches as they are?
How did you deal with it?
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2/15/2016 6:19am
Stunt29 wrote:
Can anyone please explain me more about the “securing punches” on the cartridge body? From Inntek YouTube video I cannot understand if securing punches are sticking...
Can anyone please explain me more about the “securing punches” on the cartridge body?
From Inntek YouTube video I cannot understand if securing punches are sticking out from the cartridge body or they are “punched in” the cartridge?
What’s their purpose? Prevent the cartridge bolt to unscrew?
What happen if I try to unscrew the bolt leaving the securing punches as they are?
How did you deal with it?
If you just unscrew it you will destroy the seal case and likely the cartridge body as well.

Look at Bruce's 3rd picture on page 1 showing the tool he made. you can see his tool fit into the seal case and just below where it meets the cartridge you can also see the dimple/securing punch. there is 4 total and you need to use a drill bit just larger than the dimple, maybe 2-2.5mm dia, and drill through the dimple just enough to hit the seal case, but not go through the seal case. That will relieve the peening/dimple pressing into the threads of the seal case and allow you to unscrew it from the cartridge.

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slipdog wrote:
If you just unscrew it you will destroy the seal case and likely the cartridge body as well. Look at Bruce's 3rd picture on page 1...
If you just unscrew it you will destroy the seal case and likely the cartridge body as well.

Look at Bruce's 3rd picture on page 1 showing the tool he made. you can see his tool fit into the seal case and just below where it meets the cartridge you can also see the dimple/securing punch. there is 4 total and you need to use a drill bit just larger than the dimple, maybe 2-2.5mm dia, and drill through the dimple just enough to hit the seal case, but not go through the seal case. That will relieve the peening/dimple pressing into the threads of the seal case and allow you to unscrew it from the cartridge.
Thank You a lot for the answer.

Are the ones showed in Bruce picture already drilled out?
Speaking for myself, I really don't feel comfortable to the idea of using a drill. Maybe a drill press / column drill could help but still... the only idea to get close to my cartridge with a drill make me sweat.

The alternative is to buy the innteck Rivetted Cartridge Removal Tool but is quite expensive : 149,9$

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Stunt, all twin chamber forks have these cartridge seals, so swapping them out with the skf ones might make some improvements, but it's only a small part of the equation.

The big source of sticking is the oem air piston, so that's what I would change out first and not worry about the cartridge seals.

As slip says, the traditional way of opening the cartridge is drilling them out, I've done it on older showas that needed new seals, but I just couldn't bring myself to start drilling these new forks even though that was the original plan.

The lainer racing piston is a bargain in comparison, plus, he sells two specific pistons so you don't need to deal with the oring and steel cap used on the kxf /rmz convo
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2/15/2016 7:29am
The irony is, if you look at the skf video, when they service the damper side, you will notice they drilled the peens on that cartridge
2/15/2016 10:48am
i change to skf low friction kit today it was a bit hard on some places when you dont have the right tools but now its done or almost need to buy some new fork oil first
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2/15/2016 11:51pm
Thank you for the links, helped me a lot understanding the drilling work.
I noticed in both video that the drilled holes go through the case, but, as slipdog said, with Showa Sff air tac you DON’T want to go through the case.

“The big source of sticking is the oem air piston, so that's what I would change out first and not worry about the cartridge seals.”
If I understand correctly, it means I could avoid drilling and taking out the 22mm head bolt and still be able to replace the oem piston?

Thank You guys
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2/16/2016 5:46pm
That's correct srunt. If you goto lainer racing facebook and is in the US for the wet coast rounds. He will ship you one out.
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2/19/2016 8:44am
Where can i buy the kit?
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2/19/2016 1:49pm
I am just curious as to whether you guys have not had any luck with greasing that air piston seal? Or is there a night and day difference after installing this mod (Lainer/skf kit) when compared to a thoroughly lubed seal? I'm just trying to better understand the reasoning behind doing the mod as apposed to greasing the seal.

Also, has any one done a fairly simple revavle of the kx tac fork to improve initial stroke plushness?

Thanks
2/20/2016 1:27am
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I am just curious as to whether you guys have not had any luck with greasing that air piston seal? Or is there a night and...
I am just curious as to whether you guys have not had any luck with greasing that air piston seal? Or is there a night and day difference after installing this mod (Lainer/skf kit) when compared to a thoroughly lubed seal? I'm just trying to better understand the reasoning behind doing the mod as apposed to greasing the seal.

Also, has any one done a fairly simple revavle of the kx tac fork to improve initial stroke plushness?

Thanks
yes before i changed to skf i gresed the piston seals it defenetly improves the feeling when pushing i down by hand and its wery easy you dont have to drill out the peelings on the cartrige just put some ductape on the threads and push it through the cartrige seals. easy fix i can not say anything about how good the skf kit is because i havent ridden whit it yet.
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4/25/2017 10:34am
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Bruce,

My 2016 KX450F is one year old and has 20 hrs on it. Would you suggest getting the Lainer piston to help with the stiction problem or go with the glide kit?

Also, is there a link to a video on how to do the piston? Or do you have a step by step you can share and the special tools needed? I only saw the one video when the fork was already apart.
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ive tried both, and in hindsight i would go with the SKF glide kit.

it makes a significant difference on the RMZ, but i dont know whether the 2016 KXF450 fork was already upgraded for lower friction.

On the RMZ, it uses 3 seals on the air cartridge rod, whereas the SKF setup uses one seal that employs 3 sealing lips. The SKF air piston is well made also and easilly installed into the air cartridge.

In terms of tools, i ended up drilling the peens to dissemble the cartridge- if you look on youtube for showa cartridge seals, there are several videos that show how this is done.
4/25/2017 1:07pm
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ive tried both, and in hindsight i would go with the SKF glide kit. it makes a significant difference on the RMZ, but i dont know...
ive tried both, and in hindsight i would go with the SKF glide kit.

it makes a significant difference on the RMZ, but i dont know whether the 2016 KXF450 fork was already upgraded for lower friction.

On the RMZ, it uses 3 seals on the air cartridge rod, whereas the SKF setup uses one seal that employs 3 sealing lips. The SKF air piston is well made also and easilly installed into the air cartridge.

In terms of tools, i ended up drilling the peens to dissemble the cartridge- if you look on youtube for showa cartridge seals, there are several videos that show how this is done.
Yeah the stiction is horrible on mine. I just run low psi in the outer and it helps the sticking in the initial stroke for now. Ill probably go with the glide kit. I was just looking for a cheaper alternative (60 bucks vs 165). It looks like JBI installs it free with a valve job, or ill just look at videos on youtube and install it myself. Thanks man.
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4/26/2017 8:50am
Don't forget, when changing out the skf cartridge seals, they are specific to the air or damping cartridge.

The box with the seals has a small piece of paper explaining which seal goes on which side

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