The crash of Ben Townley...

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mmcmx 2/17/2016 3:14am
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51xc wrote:
hope ben is ok. really was looking forward to see him race. as of if jh was to aggressive with the pass, I don't think so...
hope ben is ok. really was looking forward to see him race.
as of if jh was to aggressive with the pass, I don't think so. it just looks very unfortunate how ben got 'off' the bike. herlings looked way faster than ben tho.
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I don't know if Ben played it safe in Valence but I've not been that impressed with his speed. He'll need to find a little more...
I don't know if Ben played it safe in Valence but I've not been that impressed with his speed. He'll need to find a little more if he wants to compete with the top MXGP riders. I was a little disappointed (I went there to see 2 guys ride, him and Herlings) as he had plenty at Ernée, but Valence was only a demonstration race so...

Of course he played it safe, thats what you are suposed to do in a warm up race and the reason Everts called out Herlings.
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Paul333 2/17/2016 4:48am
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Of course he played it safe, thats what you are suposed to do in a warm up race and the reason Everts called out Herlings.
That's a good point.



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TMV wrote:
I don't know if Ben played it safe in Valence but I've not been that impressed with his speed. He'll need to find a little more...
I don't know if Ben played it safe in Valence but I've not been that impressed with his speed. He'll need to find a little more if he wants to compete with the top MXGP riders. I was a little disappointed (I went there to see 2 guys ride, him and Herlings) as he had plenty at Ernée, but Valence was only a demonstration race so...

I saw ben ride at Hawkstone the other week , and I think hes just getting bike time and going through different set ups and not rushing things, what's the point in going flat out like herlings and risking an injury.At hawkstone ben seemed to get faster and look more comfortable as the day went , each time out on the bike he seemed smoother and faster making progress and passing clement desalle for second in the last mx1 race there.

Everts said in an interview

"Ben feels happy in this group and I have told them my point of view how he needs to start the season, slowly build up and build up and not make any big mistakes and try and do it step by step and try not to skip two steps, otherwise it will end up like the past. I think for the first four or five races he just needs to build his speed and finish, build his confidence and his feeling with the bike. It shouldn’t even be about results and then we can look at the next step after Mexico. I have told him he needs that mind set, and it’s difficult for Ben, because in the past his only ambition was to win, even when in theory it isn’t possible."

I'll be happy to see ben complete the season injury free and just get a feel for things, like you I went to see two riders who I hadn't seen race in person Herlings and Townley
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is this his 6th year now in 250's?, that has to be a record with the new 23 rule he definitely took him out you can...
is this his 6th year now in 250's?, that has to be a record with the new 23 rule

he definitely took him out you can see just as he.. course you cant some old grey haired fuck was in the way! , hes very fast but also dirty when he wants to be ask tonus
It's not a record at all. Many riders rode MX2 from 15 right up to when they were forced out. Cairoli was in it 2002 to 2009, Searle, 2005 to 2012, there's been a few, there haven't been many at all recently that have moved up out of choice rather than being forced, Paulin and Gajser are about the only 2 I can remember. People need to remember that these guys turn pro 3 years earlier than they do in the states. He may have done 6 years in the class but he's still nearly a full year younger than the 250 national champ. He's honestly still got so much time left in his career.
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It wasn't Davalos' fault at all....... I'm sorry , Herlings.
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It wasn't Davalos' fault at all....... I'm sorry , Herlings.
Works with Jmart too.

But to be fair Davalos would be more the equivalent of Jeremy's older brother Alex as he will turn 27 this year.
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My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2 verses Alex Martian, etc its ignored.

People are fans, its understandable they will defend anything/everything.

One last time;

People calling Herlings a "Sandbagger" don't care about his age. In MX age within reason mind you is not an issue. Many riders have moved up at a young age since the very start of MX and let's be honest Herlings isn't "Young" anymore. That's was 2-3 years ago.

It's not about age; it's about experience, amount of winning races/championships, level of domination, etc. Same for Herlings as it is on any local track. If a guy is smoking everyone he moves up or gets forced up. It's an MX thing or really any sport that a win in the C class isn't viewed as highly as a win in the A or B class. Roczen is the perfect example and the same age as Herlings.

MX2 under current rules is really the under-23 championship. No matter what Herlings internet supporters say 20 or so of the top riders currently racing MX1 have moved up since Herlings started his domination of MX2. Many were forced, many wanted to get straight to the premier class MX1 or the U.S. as fast as possible. MX2 is by Youthstreams/FIM own design exactly as CBM described it; "A class meant for new riders to get some professional experience". When you have been dominating a class at his level for this long and don't move up, people are going to bitch. Yes, he started MX2 young but again it's more about the level of domination, his physical size, length of time in the class while dominating, etc now days. The fact remains the vast majority of people think he should have moved up this year. The bitching isn't going to go away until he does move up. In fact its probably going to get worse as we watch another season of his complete MX2 domination this year.

Alex Martin is not posting two second faster than anyone else lap times, for years. He hasn't won any titles yet, swept a series dominating every single face, had 100 point leads half way through a season, etc, etc. Alex is a super fast pro paying his dues, and moving up in the class. Not a historic level dominating rider still riding a support class. To use him as a Herlings still riding MX2 defense is moronic.

I don't care what names the Herlings internet supporters call me. My motivation is purely frustration. As an MX fan who watches every race I was serious looking forward to seeing him ride MX1. Competing against the fastest MX1 riders in the world. Plus a serious pet peeve with "Sandbaggers" or cheating of any kind. If that bothers them so be it.





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ATKpilot99 wrote:
It wasn't Davalos' fault at all....... I'm sorry , Herlings.
TMV wrote:
Works with Jmart too.

But to be fair Davalos would be more the equivalent of Jeremy's older brother Alex as he will turn 27 this year.
why jmart? I don't get it...
he's 21. he won his first championship in his 2nd year as a pro.
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Paul333 wrote:
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2...
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2 verses Alex Martian, etc its ignored.

People are fans, its understandable they will defend anything/everything.

One last time;

People calling Herlings a "Sandbagger" don't care about his age. In MX age within reason mind you is not an issue. Many riders have moved up at a young age since the very start of MX and let's be honest Herlings isn't "Young" anymore. That's was 2-3 years ago.

It's not about age; it's about experience, amount of winning races/championships, level of domination, etc. Same for Herlings as it is on any local track. If a guy is smoking everyone he moves up or gets forced up. It's an MX thing or really any sport that a win in the C class isn't viewed as highly as a win in the A or B class. Roczen is the perfect example and the same age as Herlings.

MX2 under current rules is really the under-23 championship. No matter what Herlings internet supporters say 20 or so of the top riders currently racing MX1 have moved up since Herlings started his domination of MX2. Many were forced, many wanted to get straight to the premier class MX1 or the U.S. as fast as possible. MX2 is by Youthstreams/FIM own design exactly as CBM described it; "A class meant for new riders to get some professional experience". When you have been dominating a class at his level for this long and don't move up, people are going to bitch. Yes, he started MX2 young but again it's more about the level of domination, his physical size, length of time in the class while dominating, etc now days. The fact remains the vast majority of people think he should have moved up this year. The bitching isn't going to go away until he does move up. In fact its probably going to get worse as we watch another season of his complete MX2 domination this year.

Alex Martin is not posting two second faster than anyone else lap times, for years. He hasn't won any titles yet, swept a series dominating every single face, had 100 point leads half way through a season, etc, etc. Alex is a super fast pro paying his dues, and moving up in the class. Not a historic level dominating rider still riding a support class. To use him as a Herlings still riding MX2 defense is moronic.

I don't care what names the Herlings internet supporters call me. My motivation is purely frustration. As an MX fan who watches every race I was serious looking forward to seeing him ride MX1. Competing against the fastest MX1 riders in the world. Plus a serious pet peeve with "Sandbaggers" or cheating of any kind. If that bothers them so be it.





RC should have had a class of his own...
RichardLoots 2/17/2016 7:39am
2/17/2016 7:39am Edited Date/Time 2/17/2016 7:46am
Paul333 wrote:
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2...
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2 verses Alex Martian, etc its ignored.

People are fans, its understandable they will defend anything/everything.

One last time;

People calling Herlings a "Sandbagger" don't care about his age. In MX age within reason mind you is not an issue. Many riders have moved up at a young age since the very start of MX and let's be honest Herlings isn't "Young" anymore. That's was 2-3 years ago.

It's not about age; it's about experience, amount of winning races/championships, level of domination, etc. Same for Herlings as it is on any local track. If a guy is smoking everyone he moves up or gets forced up. It's an MX thing or really any sport that a win in the C class isn't viewed as highly as a win in the A or B class. Roczen is the perfect example and the same age as Herlings.

MX2 under current rules is really the under-23 championship. No matter what Herlings internet supporters say 20 or so of the top riders currently racing MX1 have moved up since Herlings started his domination of MX2. Many were forced, many wanted to get straight to the premier class MX1 or the U.S. as fast as possible. MX2 is by Youthstreams/FIM own design exactly as CBM described it; "A class meant for new riders to get some professional experience". When you have been dominating a class at his level for this long and don't move up, people are going to bitch. Yes, he started MX2 young but again it's more about the level of domination, his physical size, length of time in the class while dominating, etc now days. The fact remains the vast majority of people think he should have moved up this year. The bitching isn't going to go away until he does move up. In fact its probably going to get worse as we watch another season of his complete MX2 domination this year.

Alex Martin is not posting two second faster than anyone else lap times, for years. He hasn't won any titles yet, swept a series dominating every single face, had 100 point leads half way through a season, etc, etc. Alex is a super fast pro paying his dues, and moving up in the class. Not a historic level dominating rider still riding a support class. To use him as a Herlings still riding MX2 defense is moronic.

I don't care what names the Herlings internet supporters call me. My motivation is purely frustration. As an MX fan who watches every race I was serious looking forward to seeing him ride MX1. Competing against the fastest MX1 riders in the world. Plus a serious pet peeve with "Sandbaggers" or cheating of any kind. If that bothers them so be it.





keep crying Tongue Tongue Tongue with Cairoli extending his contract who knows Herlings stays another year ... oh boy
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Paul333 wrote:
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2...
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2 verses Alex Martian, etc its ignored.

People are fans, its understandable they will defend anything/everything.

One last time;

People calling Herlings a "Sandbagger" don't care about his age. In MX age within reason mind you is not an issue. Many riders have moved up at a young age since the very start of MX and let's be honest Herlings isn't "Young" anymore. That's was 2-3 years ago.

It's not about age; it's about experience, amount of winning races/championships, level of domination, etc. Same for Herlings as it is on any local track. If a guy is smoking everyone he moves up or gets forced up. It's an MX thing or really any sport that a win in the C class isn't viewed as highly as a win in the A or B class. Roczen is the perfect example and the same age as Herlings.

MX2 under current rules is really the under-23 championship. No matter what Herlings internet supporters say 20 or so of the top riders currently racing MX1 have moved up since Herlings started his domination of MX2. Many were forced, many wanted to get straight to the premier class MX1 or the U.S. as fast as possible. MX2 is by Youthstreams/FIM own design exactly as CBM described it; "A class meant for new riders to get some professional experience". When you have been dominating a class at his level for this long and don't move up, people are going to bitch. Yes, he started MX2 young but again it's more about the level of domination, his physical size, length of time in the class while dominating, etc now days. The fact remains the vast majority of people think he should have moved up this year. The bitching isn't going to go away until he does move up. In fact its probably going to get worse as we watch another season of his complete MX2 domination this year.

Alex Martin is not posting two second faster than anyone else lap times, for years. He hasn't won any titles yet, swept a series dominating every single face, had 100 point leads half way through a season, etc, etc. Alex is a super fast pro paying his dues, and moving up in the class. Not a historic level dominating rider still riding a support class. To use him as a Herlings still riding MX2 defense is moronic.

I don't care what names the Herlings internet supporters call me. My motivation is purely frustration. As an MX fan who watches every race I was serious looking forward to seeing him ride MX1. Competing against the fastest MX1 riders in the world. Plus a serious pet peeve with "Sandbaggers" or cheating of any kind. If that bothers them so be it.







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Nobody compared Alex to Jeffrey.

Someone compared Davalos to Jeffrey where Davalos is more comparable to Alex Martin.

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rileymx 2/17/2016 8:08am
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I dont think its only up to JH to chose his bike size, i bet he would do whatever to stay with ktm\ redbull, but one fact that many fans dont know is that the mx1 ktm\redbull team is called DiCarli racing and is parcially owned by Tony Cairoli.
Maybe he had to stay mx2, even with all the crítics, or leave ktm\redbull....

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Paul333 wrote:
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2...
My God, its the same old thing with these threads. No matter how many times you explain the difference between Herlings riding six years in MX2 verses Alex Martian, etc its ignored.

People are fans, its understandable they will defend anything/everything.

One last time;

People calling Herlings a "Sandbagger" don't care about his age. In MX age within reason mind you is not an issue. Many riders have moved up at a young age since the very start of MX and let's be honest Herlings isn't "Young" anymore. That's was 2-3 years ago.

It's not about age; it's about experience, amount of winning races/championships, level of domination, etc. Same for Herlings as it is on any local track. If a guy is smoking everyone he moves up or gets forced up. It's an MX thing or really any sport that a win in the C class isn't viewed as highly as a win in the A or B class. Roczen is the perfect example and the same age as Herlings.

MX2 under current rules is really the under-23 championship. No matter what Herlings internet supporters say 20 or so of the top riders currently racing MX1 have moved up since Herlings started his domination of MX2. Many were forced, many wanted to get straight to the premier class MX1 or the U.S. as fast as possible. MX2 is by Youthstreams/FIM own design exactly as CBM described it; "A class meant for new riders to get some professional experience". When you have been dominating a class at his level for this long and don't move up, people are going to bitch. Yes, he started MX2 young but again it's more about the level of domination, his physical size, length of time in the class while dominating, etc now days. The fact remains the vast majority of people think he should have moved up this year. The bitching isn't going to go away until he does move up. In fact its probably going to get worse as we watch another season of his complete MX2 domination this year.

Alex Martin is not posting two second faster than anyone else lap times, for years. He hasn't won any titles yet, swept a series dominating every single face, had 100 point leads half way through a season, etc, etc. Alex is a super fast pro paying his dues, and moving up in the class. Not a historic level dominating rider still riding a support class. To use him as a Herlings still riding MX2 defense is moronic.

I don't care what names the Herlings internet supporters call me. My motivation is purely frustration. As an MX fan who watches every race I was serious looking forward to seeing him ride MX1. Competing against the fastest MX1 riders in the world. Plus a serious pet peeve with "Sandbaggers" or cheating of any kind. If that bothers them so be it.





You can go on about domination and things like that, but he hasn't won the title since 2013. It's not his fault that everyone is forced out of the class, it's really not his problem at all, and all of the guys that got forced out he beat anyway, so it's not like he's only winning because they left. Would I like to see him in MX1? Absolutely! Would he have liked to have been in MX1 by now? Almost certainly. But things don't always go to plan, riders have injuries and it changes their career path. In a perfect world Herlings would have won the title in 2014 and been in MXGP last year, but he broke his femur and ended up not being able to ride until 2 weeks before the 2015 season started, hardly ideal preparation, this he dislocated his hip last year, again putting him on the back foot for this pre season. Herlings is one of their best there is, and when he retires he will go down as one of the best there ever has been, he'll move up soon, and when he does, he'll absolutely kill it, until then, just be patient
crusty_xx 2/17/2016 8:10am
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GOD PLEASE

NOT
AGAIN

THIS THREAD
IS ABOUT




BEN TOWNLEY..................................
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Sully22 2/17/2016 10:32am
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TMV wrote:
Nobody compared Alex to Jeffrey.

Someone compared Davalos to Jeffrey where Davalos is more comparable to Alex Martin.

Just curious, how come no one ever says anything about Osborne....he's been riding a 250 since 06?
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As above it's difficult to say Herlings has dominated when he hasn't won the title in the last two yrs of competition. Staying injury free is every bit as important as being fast... scratch that, it's more important. Despite being the absolute favourite and fastest rider in the class, Jeffrey wasn't cheated out of the title the last 2 seasons - he lost because he wasn't as good as the riders who finished ahead of him with more points. So given that that's the case I find it difficult to then determine that he has the class covered and is a sandbagger.

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TMV wrote:
Nobody compared Alex to Jeffrey.

Someone compared Davalos to Jeffrey where Davalos is more comparable to Alex Martin.

Sully22 wrote:
Just curious, how come no one ever says anything about Osborne....he's been riding a 250 since 06?
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a riders worst enemy.
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Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a...
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a riders worst enemy.
Herlings is definitely one of the fastest in the world though, regardless of what bike he is riding.
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There was an interview on Belgian tv recently in which JH said he had to decide in a time when he thought he wasn't going to be healthy enough for his MXGP debut and chose MX2. He now regrets that given his good form and fitness (won 8 motos of 9 he entered the last month).

And now back to the unfortunate but very fast BT101 (or BT8). Unsure
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ATKpilot99 2/17/2016 12:21pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a...
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a riders worst enemy.
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Herlings is definitely one of the fastest in the world though, regardless of what bike he is riding.
Yes . Point being its why people rag on him for still being in MX2 . Osborne has 1 GP win to his credit and no 250 sx wins . Thats why people don't care if he stays on a 250.
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Cant find any info on Ben's injury. Anyone know if he is lining up at Qatar?
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I wasn't there but I also don't see how Herling's can say "I didn't Touch Him".. You can see contact very clearly in the video.
I wasn't there but I also don't see how Herling's can say "I didn't Touch Him"..

You can see contact very clearly in the video.

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hahaha it must be you ....... and again , so predictable .... dont you ever get bored off this? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: who's next ? havent...
hahaha it must be you ....... and again , so predictable .... dont you ever get bored off this? Laughing Laughing Laughing
who's next ? havent seen Kermit yet ...

read the comment below , as you are so sure they hit


I was there and watching the action. As Herlings said, he didn't touch him. I saw it from the back and there was at least one foot maybe two between them. We got the impression that Herlings touches BT's front wheel cause his rear wheel hits the rut. It's just an optical illusion.
You are more predictable than any other member on this site. Love that I bother you so much over nothing that you have to bring me up in threads I don't post in or about. You're a massive MXGP troll. Please, kindly, go fuck yourself, you clueless troll.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a...
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a riders worst enemy.
RG1 wrote:
Herlings is definitely one of the fastest in the world though, regardless of what bike he is riding.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Yes . Point being its why people rag on him for still being in MX2 . Osborne has 1 GP win to his credit and no...
Yes . Point being its why people rag on him for still being in MX2 . Osborne has 1 GP win to his credit and no 250 sx wins . Thats why people don't care if he stays on a 250.
Yeah I understand that, it honestly doesn't bother me how long anyone stays in the 250 class, these guys can ride whatever bike they want/feel best on as far as I'm concerned. If everything had gone to plan Herlings would be in the 450 class now, it didn't go to plan, he'll be there soon, that's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned
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Cant find any info on Ben's injury. Anyone know if he is lining up at Qatar?
there were pictures of the bikes being loaded this week on Suzuki MXGP social media, , so i presume it all go,
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a...
Osborne is not a dominant rider and doesn't have a rabid fan base claiming he's the fastest rider in the world . Fanboys can be a riders worst enemy.
sure, i get that, i kinda meant in the grand scheme of things where everyone is ragging on davalos for being in the class forever, and now people are talking about A-mart, which doesn't make too much sense to me. But i totally understand what you're saying.. Personally, I like herlings and wish him all the success in the world and don't care what class he races...I think people should be able to race whatever class they want and think the point out rule is dumb in sx and the age rule in dumb in the gp's..I like that there's no point out rule American outdoor mx for the 250 class, but nobody really drops down to the 250's for outdoors like they used to....
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TMV wrote:
Nobody compared Alex to Jeffrey.

Someone compared Davalos to Jeffrey where Davalos is more comparable to Alex Martin.

Who has compared Alex Martin to Herlings?

What Herlings is doing now would be like if James won the 125 Nationals in 02, 04 and then continued riding 125s in 05, 06 & 07.
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VET176 2/17/2016 6:23pm
2/17/2016 6:23pm
VET176 wrote:
Cant find any info on Ben's injury. Anyone know if he is lining up at Qatar?
scott_nz wrote:
there were pictures of the bikes being loaded this week on Suzuki MXGP social media, , so i presume it all go,
YES! Woohoo


RichardLoots 2/18/2016 11:45am
2/18/2016 11:45am Edited Date/Time 2/18/2016 11:58am
mx836 wrote:
You are more predictable than any other member on this site. Love that I bother you so much over nothing that you have to bring me...
You are more predictable than any other member on this site. Love that I bother you so much over nothing that you have to bring me up in threads I don't post in or about. You're a massive MXGP troll. Please, kindly, go fuck yourself, you clueless troll.
lol ........ :-) you go girl
what took you so long ?

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