What does it say about our sport ( Stew, Concussions. )

4thGearPinned 1/23/2016 12:14am
1/23/2016 12:14am
All I'm saying is I was right.

James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum.

and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough to keep injured riders out of competition.

it might be the best we have, the best in the field as far as diagnosing and analyzing concussions.

that's NO KNOCK on the people who were in charge of establishing this and work in our sport,

but it needs to be improved. or have mandatory cool off times for head injuries.
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aeffertz 1/23/2016 12:49am
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You just an outsider looking in, puffing your stomach to look smart. I'm sure the trained medical staff knows more about injuries than you.

Also, you said he was knocked out for 3 minutes. How can you say you were right about that?
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Green Plague 1/23/2016 1:27am
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there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on the ground a few riders ran over his leg's and arm a few times,,, It looked like he was dead,,the whole crowd went silent as they got out of their seat's...it was very scary Mr # 800 getting knocked out in the outdoors a few years ago,,,and 2 or 3 guys running over him..what happened to James was a little head butt...at 3 mph..Hope he's ok tho
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Green Plague wrote:
there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on...
there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on the ground a few riders ran over his leg's and arm a few times,,, It looked like he was dead,,the whole crowd went silent as they got out of their seat's...it was very scary Mr # 800 getting knocked out in the outdoors a few years ago,,,and 2 or 3 guys running over him..what happened to James was a little head butt...at 3 mph..Hope he's ok tho
on his 2nd week out for a concussion when he's probably on medication for focus and attention deficit because of a history of concussions.

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Green Plague wrote:
there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on...
there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on the ground a few riders ran over his leg's and arm a few times,,, It looked like he was dead,,the whole crowd went silent as they got out of their seat's...it was very scary Mr # 800 getting knocked out in the outdoors a few years ago,,,and 2 or 3 guys running over him..what happened to James was a little head butt...at 3 mph..Hope he's ok tho
4thGearPinned wrote:
on his 2nd week out for a concussion when he's probably on medication for focus and attention deficit because of a history of concussions.

K.
I may have missed it....but where did you get your medical degree?
4thGearPinned 1/23/2016 7:23am
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Green Plague wrote:
there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on...
there has always been knock out's in Supercross racing...I remember RJ going down super hard one night at the Big A.. When he was laying on the ground a few riders ran over his leg's and arm a few times,,, It looked like he was dead,,the whole crowd went silent as they got out of their seat's...it was very scary Mr # 800 getting knocked out in the outdoors a few years ago,,,and 2 or 3 guys running over him..what happened to James was a little head butt...at 3 mph..Hope he's ok tho
4thGearPinned wrote:
on his 2nd week out for a concussion when he's probably on medication for focus and attention deficit because of a history of concussions.

K.
DonM wrote:
I may have missed it....but where did you get your medical degree?
I'm a radiologist all you are is a smoking pole.. or the other way around.
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DonM 1/23/2016 7:28am
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4thGearPinned wrote:
on his 2nd week out for a concussion when he's probably on medication for focus and attention deficit because of a history of concussions.

K.
DonM wrote:
I may have missed it....but where did you get your medical degree?
4thGearPinned wrote:
I'm a radiologist all you are is a smoking pole.. or the other way around.
It was just a question dickhead...don't understand why you're so angry...
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4thGearPinned wrote:
on his 2nd week out for a concussion when he's probably on medication for focus and attention deficit because of a history of concussions.

K.
DonM wrote:
I may have missed it....but where did you get your medical degree?
4thGearPinned wrote:
I'm a radiologist all you are is a smoking pole.. or the other way around.
That's odd, you stated in another thread you weren't a doctor.
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Roscoe33 1/23/2016 7:45am
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4thGearPinned wrote:
All I'm saying is I was right. James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum. and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough...
All I'm saying is I was right.

James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum.

and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough to keep injured riders out of competition.

it might be the best we have, the best in the field as far as diagnosing and analyzing concussions.

that's NO KNOCK on the people who were in charge of establishing this and work in our sport,

but it needs to be improved. or have mandatory cool off times for head injuries.
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ?

from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX medical Drs. that see this everyday and James Stewart himself.
4thGearPinned 1/23/2016 7:51am
1/23/2016 7:51am
4thGearPinned wrote:
All I'm saying is I was right. James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum. and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough...
All I'm saying is I was right.

James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum.

and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough to keep injured riders out of competition.

it might be the best we have, the best in the field as far as diagnosing and analyzing concussions.

that's NO KNOCK on the people who were in charge of establishing this and work in our sport,

but it needs to be improved. or have mandatory cool off times for head injuries.
Roscoe33 wrote:
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ? from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX...
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ?

from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX medical Drs. that see this everyday and James Stewart himself.
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track.

that was unsafe to him *( risking permanent injury ) AND Other riders.

whoever the guy that said this place is full of the dumbest people was right. I feel bad for the mods and guy b.
4thGearPinned 1/23/2016 7:51am
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DonM wrote:
I may have missed it....but where did you get your medical degree?
4thGearPinned wrote:
I'm a radiologist all you are is a smoking pole.. or the other way around.
DonM wrote:
It was just a question dickhead...don't understand why you're so angry...
What's your job? janitor? substitute teacher? painter?
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DonM 1/23/2016 7:53am
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4thGearPinned wrote:
All I'm saying is I was right. James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum. and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough...
All I'm saying is I was right.

James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum.

and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough to keep injured riders out of competition.

it might be the best we have, the best in the field as far as diagnosing and analyzing concussions.

that's NO KNOCK on the people who were in charge of establishing this and work in our sport,

but it needs to be improved. or have mandatory cool off times for head injuries.
Roscoe33 wrote:
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ? from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX...
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ?

from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX medical Drs. that see this everyday and James Stewart himself.
4thGearPinned wrote:
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track. that was unsafe to him...
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track.

that was unsafe to him *( risking permanent injury ) AND Other riders.

whoever the guy that said this place is full of the dumbest people was right. I feel bad for the mods and guy b.
I'm surprised you would call yourself out like that.....
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Silliker269 1/23/2016 7:53am
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The protocol is fine , their body will tell them if they can race or not
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DonM 1/23/2016 7:59am
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4thGearPinned wrote:
I'm a radiologist all you are is a smoking pole.. or the other way around.
DonM wrote:
It was just a question dickhead...don't understand why you're so angry...
4thGearPinned wrote:
What's your job? janitor? substitute teacher? painter?
Actually none of the above...not that it matters....Based on the way you always respond with such anger and resentment that may be your calling...I bet your patients love you and your awesome bedside manner....You never did respond to the comment above about you stating in another thread that you weren't a doctor...
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4thGearPinned wrote:
All I'm saying is I was right. James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum. and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough...
All I'm saying is I was right.

James will be out for 2-3 weeks at the minimum.

and that the protocol in place isn't effective enough to keep injured riders out of competition.

it might be the best we have, the best in the field as far as diagnosing and analyzing concussions.

that's NO KNOCK on the people who were in charge of establishing this and work in our sport,

but it needs to be improved. or have mandatory cool off times for head injuries.
Roscoe33 wrote:
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ? from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX...
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ?

from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX medical Drs. that see this everyday and James Stewart himself.
4thGearPinned wrote:
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track. that was unsafe to him...
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track.

that was unsafe to him *( risking permanent injury ) AND Other riders.

whoever the guy that said this place is full of the dumbest people was right. I feel bad for the mods and guy b.
So go away then.
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Roscoe33 wrote:
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ? from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX...
Let me get this... you haven't examined James first hand and a radiologist ?

from your diagnosis you know better than than the full time SX medical Drs. that see this everyday and James Stewart himself.
4thGearPinned wrote:
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track. that was unsafe to him...
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track.

that was unsafe to him *( risking permanent injury ) AND Other riders.

whoever the guy that said this place is full of the dumbest people was right. I feel bad for the mods and guy b.
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So go away then.
No way ,he is very entertaining. Probably british.
4thGearPinned 1/23/2016 8:57am
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Silliker269 wrote:
The protocol is fine , their body will tell them if they can race or not
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one?

K.


and bedside?

You don't really know what I do. do you?

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DonM 1/23/2016 9:18am
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Silliker269 wrote:
The protocol is fine , their body will tell them if they can race or not
4thGearPinned wrote:
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one? K. and bedside? You don't...
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one?

K.


and bedside?

You don't really know what I do. do you?

I don't think anyone cares....let me see you work in the field...which caused GuyB to post a pic of a field.....you're not a doctor....but you're a radiologist.....hmmmmm.....I don't think you even know what you do....and really what does it matter...maybe you can help me paint trash cans and schools....

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EddieC wrote:
I think the OP is painting with a broad brush here. Of course ask when you ask any Physician or Athletic Trainer about concussions they will...
I think the OP is painting with a broad brush here. Of course ask when you ask any Physician or Athletic Trainer about concussions they will tell you sit them out for as long as it takes for symptoms to subside, Taking into consideration age, maturity level, level of athleticism and level of sport (rec league, H.S., College, Pro) and type of sport (contact vs. non-contact).

The tests that are administered are not to determine if the brain is healed. There are no tests that I am aware of that can determine this. What the tests are designed to do is let us know if the brain is capable of functioning at the level needed to be competitive. If an athlete is having symptoms while riding they are more likely to make a poor decisions, possibly putting them at risk to crash.

A physician might say to a younger athlete yes you are symptom free at this time and have passed all the tests but given that your brain is still developing, your skill level is low and its a H.S. freshman football championship I feel its not worth the risk to put you back in knowing there is going to be helmet to helmet contact, helmet to ground contact, twisting and bending of neck during tackling etc.
Given the same scenario but instead make the sport TENNIS and the decision COULD be different.

At pro level the decision making process is the same and the doctor will go over the possible long term issues and the PROFESSIONAL athlete will make the decision to go or not go.

Look competing in professional sports is not healthy. We as health care providers try an minimize some of the long term complications but at the end of the day these athletes know what the future holds for them. My only hope is that they the riders have a good long term insurance plan to take care of them when these issues start popping up.
Is there a documented return to play process for MX/SX?
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4thGearPinned wrote:
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one? K. and bedside? You don't...
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one?

K.


and bedside?

You don't really know what I do. do you?

I have a feeling you won't get to enjoy race day as an active memeber. You were so close!
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EddieC wrote:
I think the OP is painting with a broad brush here. Of course ask when you ask any Physician or Athletic Trainer about concussions they will...
I think the OP is painting with a broad brush here. Of course ask when you ask any Physician or Athletic Trainer about concussions they will tell you sit them out for as long as it takes for symptoms to subside, Taking into consideration age, maturity level, level of athleticism and level of sport (rec league, H.S., College, Pro) and type of sport (contact vs. non-contact).

The tests that are administered are not to determine if the brain is healed. There are no tests that I am aware of that can determine this. What the tests are designed to do is let us know if the brain is capable of functioning at the level needed to be competitive. If an athlete is having symptoms while riding they are more likely to make a poor decisions, possibly putting them at risk to crash.

A physician might say to a younger athlete yes you are symptom free at this time and have passed all the tests but given that your brain is still developing, your skill level is low and its a H.S. freshman football championship I feel its not worth the risk to put you back in knowing there is going to be helmet to helmet contact, helmet to ground contact, twisting and bending of neck during tackling etc.
Given the same scenario but instead make the sport TENNIS and the decision COULD be different.

At pro level the decision making process is the same and the doctor will go over the possible long term issues and the PROFESSIONAL athlete will make the decision to go or not go.

Look competing in professional sports is not healthy. We as health care providers try an minimize some of the long term complications but at the end of the day these athletes know what the future holds for them. My only hope is that they the riders have a good long term insurance plan to take care of them when these issues start popping up.
ando wrote:
Is there a documented return to play process for MX/SX?
I hope its a wink and a handshake,if records are kept on concussions could come back like NFL.

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Silliker269 wrote:
The protocol is fine , their body will tell them if they can race or not
4thGearPinned wrote:
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one? K. and bedside? You don't...
the protocols fine if it lets them out on the track allowing another possible injury a week after the first one?

K.


and bedside?

You don't really know what I do. do you?

Do you lift?
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4thGearPinned wrote:
on his 2nd week out for a concussion when he's probably on medication for focus and attention deficit because of a history of concussions.

K.
DonM wrote:
I may have missed it....but where did you get your medical degree?
4thGearPinned wrote:
I'm a radiologist all you are is a smoking pole.. or the other way around.
O wow, the nurses assistant made a gay joke, new and exciting online behavior.
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4thGearPinned wrote:
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track. that was unsafe to him...
Apparently dumb fuck. who let him on the track when he OBVIOUSLY is NO WHERE NEAR ready to be on track.

that was unsafe to him *( risking permanent injury ) AND Other riders.

whoever the guy that said this place is full of the dumbest people was right. I feel bad for the mods and guy b.
Like you, the guy that said this place is full of the dumbest people cannot seem to keep a screen name for more than a couple of weeks before being banned. Meanwhile, the others responding to your latest meltdown are all long standing members using their original accounts. How is that? I feel bad for the mods, too. They have to deal with people so socially inept they cannot manage to hold an account on a public forum, get banned, and have so little personal pride they continue to come back, start dumb threads, name call, post non-stop drivel, and inevitably meltdown starting the process all over again. Account, after account, after account . . .

4thGearPinned 1/23/2016 10:06am
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well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
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4thGearPinned wrote:
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
Are you or are you not a doctor? Simple question should be easy to answer with one word.
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DonM wrote:
Are you or are you not a doctor? Simple question should be easy to answer with one word.
RADIOLOGIST.
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DonM wrote:
Are you or are you not a doctor? Simple question should be easy to answer with one word.
philG wrote:
RADIOLOGIST.
In another thread he said he wasn't a doctor in this thread he claims he's a radiologist.....Wanna make a bet he doesn't respond....
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4thGearPinned wrote:
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
DonM wrote:
Are you or are you not a doctor? Simple question should be easy to answer with one word.
Don M

I like the way you are handling this guy. Don't let up.

It does not matter to me if this guy is a doctor or not, he has not been involved with the treatment of Stewart. His ridiculous statements and continued arrogance is doing nothing but confirming his ignorance.

Doctors and test can only go so fat when it comes to the brain. The final decision on weather or not a rider has recovered from injury is in the riders hands only. Stewarts decision to sit out this weeks race proves this point.
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DonM 1/23/2016 11:11am
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4thGearPinned wrote:
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum. I know...
well looks like I was right and you were wrong. why is that so hard to type? out for 2-3 weeks at a minimum.

I know it's warm and salty but swallow it.

btw nice cartoon profile pic.

Kook.
DonM wrote:
Are you or are you not a doctor? Simple question should be easy to answer with one word.
Mit12 wrote:
Don M I like the way you are handling this guy. Don't let up. It does not matter to me if this guy is a doctor...
Don M

I like the way you are handling this guy. Don't let up.

It does not matter to me if this guy is a doctor or not, he has not been involved with the treatment of Stewart. His ridiculous statements and continued arrogance is doing nothing but confirming his ignorance.

Doctors and test can only go so fat when it comes to the brain. The final decision on weather or not a rider has recovered from injury is in the riders hands only. Stewarts decision to sit out this weeks race proves this point.
He's just another troll that has been probably 3-4 different names on here....discussion and debate is one thing trolling is another The easiest way to spot a troll is when they get called out they do one of two things (or both)...they either resort to name calling or they ignore them getting called out....he's already done the name calling on multiple occasions and has ignored some rather simple questions....

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