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11/8/2015 9:38pm
Lorenzo even said he is very happy to win this title for Spain.

That's some pretty fuckin odd wording.
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11/8/2015 10:39pm
A Spanish rider, winning the title in Spain, in front of the king. Don't get it?

Plenty of butthurt people that knew what was coming. Rossi made his bed a couple weeks ago Thursday.

Marquez did what he wanted to do, or in reaction to Rossi's press conference grenade. If he was honest about it, he may have more respect right now. But hey, maybe not. Eddie Irvine was paid by Ferrari to do that...

I've watched Grand Prix motorcycles long before Rossi and have no problems when he leaves. His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch, it was incredible that he managed to cling onto the lead for so long in 2015, but if your pace in the dry makes you the 3rd, sometimes 4th guy in the second half of the season, you're finished. Winning 2 of the last 15 races doesn't help your cause.

Lorenzo beat him in this year's championship by being faster and winning more. His consistent laps at Valencia were incredible...especially when they show the lap times, like they did at the PI broadcast, of 15 laps mostly within 0.1 sec. Boring to watch, but amazing discipline the sport had never seen the likes of.
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Still waiting for the HRC data that will never be released.
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11/8/2015 11:21pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2015 11:21pm
mmmm, this whole saga reminds of the last time someone decided to win at all costs but play within the rules....Whistling





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11/8/2015 11:50pm
you have to give it to Rossi, he made himself a hero in losing the title,

he needed 2 podiums in the last 3 races, and he could not do that, he lost time on the leaders, once he got into 4th,

i do think MM was out to hinder Rossi, and it seems it worked,

the Iannone pass at Philip Island was the one pass that lost the Rossi the title,

its a shame it ended this way for sure, next year i think it will come down to the 2 honda riders, but it might come down to which rider, or which team adapts to the new tyres the quickest,
11/8/2015 11:50pm
His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch,

you got to be kidding ? Shocked Shocked
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11/9/2015 1:11am
New Product to come soon from AGV and Dainese - New helmet features blue tooth motion sensor brake lever seeking camera rear view screen visible inside helmet - This links with the blue tooth special feature boots that can activate hidden lever specially design to activate front brakes that are hard to reach and see when looking in the other direction and with the new guards commonly found on motoPP bikes . Ask Honda they will provide the data to show how effective these new products can be.
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11/9/2015 4:59am
To all you babes in the woods that believed no way................


A quote from Lorenzo.........

"They (Marquez- Pedrosa) knew what I had in play. The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me".

"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake, which they didn't this time"

"If Valentino had been in my position and with Italians behind they would have done exactly the same. The title had to be for Spain"



http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225...onspiracy.html





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11/9/2015 5:13am
“I think the world title was not only deserved to the King of Spain, but I think clearly I deserved this world title because if you see the statistics compared to our rivals, we beat him in everything: in victories, in pole positions, in fast laps, in laps leading the race, leading the practice – in everything,” said Lorenzo.

“Just in the podiums they beat us and also in the circumstances where some circuits it rains and when I could finish first or second, it rains and I could not get the best result.

“The beginning of my season was bad and this avoided me arriving to Valencia with probably 20, 30 or even 40 points ahead,” Lorenzo added.

“It is clear, everybody who knows our bikes, who saw me on the track and on the television who is not clearly supporting one rider can see these things.

“But for different circumstances we arrive seven points behind Valentino and with high pressure I demonstrate that I can deal [with it] to get the best of me, like I did yesterday [in qualifying] and today with the two Hondas that were very fast, especially at the end of the race.”

Lorenzo told the Movistar MotoGP TV channel shortly after Sunday's race that Marquez and Pedrosa's Spanish nationality had 'helped' him during the race, saying: “They knew what I had in play. The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me. That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake, which they didn't this time.

“If Valentino had been in my position and with Italians behind they would have done exactly the same. The title had to be for Spain.”

Asked to explain his comments in the post-race press conference, the Majorcan backpedalled somewhat, implying that he made the claims without fully understanding how the circumstances of the race had panned out for Marquez and Pedrosa.

“I could stay strong and finish winning the race, so it is true that I say that at the beginning of the interviews [intimating that Marquez and Pedrosa had helped him win by not passing him] but I couldn't see the race from outside, just knowing my difficult[y] on the bike to keep my rear tyre, especially on the right, and going into '32.0, '32.2 that I didn't expect to see,” Lorenzo said.

“I could get this conclusion [that Marquez and Pedrosa were holding back], but to be honest Dani and Marc explain very well; everybody see the race from the outside so I cannot have a clear opinion of that and I just have to trust what is said.”

Lorenzo also highlighted the gap of almost 20 seconds between the top three and Rossi in fourth place, suggesting his team-mate's final position was the best the 36-year-old could have hoped for regardless of whether he started the race from the back of the grid or not.

“You can see the classification and Valentino didn't have anything to lose, just to push at the limit to risk, but he finished 20 seconds behind us,” he said.
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225029/1/lorenzo-i-was-better-than-ros…
11/9/2015 5:19am
“You can see the classification and Valentino didn't have anything to lose, just to push at the limit to risk, but he finished 20 seconds behind us,” he said.

did he know Rossi started last on the grid ?? Laughing Laughing Laughing im done with that spanish theatre
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11/9/2015 5:51am
All this talk about Lorenzo 'Deserving" the title based on "Being more consistent and winning more races"...

Please correct me if I am wrong but didn't Rossi lead the points all year?

It took the Spanish national team cooperating to bump him out not his riding alone.
11/9/2015 6:06am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2015 6:36am
Lorenzo and Marquez cemented their legacies.
11/9/2015 6:49am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2015 6:50am
Lorenzo and Marquez cemented their legacies.
With the current state of American RR and rider development, I doubt we will see a US contender in Europe for decades.

Which is no big loss, seeing how a bit of luster has been taken off what was once the premier RR series in the world with the MM/JL stroke fest .

I was looking at buying a new Honda or Yamaha play bike. Won't be buying either of those brands.

Bought my first new Yamaha in 1976. Got a new Honda 50 for Christmas in 1968.

No more of my money will be spent on any Yamaha or Honda products as long as JL and MM are in their employ.
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11/9/2015 7:08am
I feel bad for the Moto2 and Moto3 champs... No attention at all from anyone cause everyone is too caught up in the drama...

Congrats Danny Kent and Johann Zarco
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11/9/2015 7:32am
Lorenzo and Marquez cemented their legacies.
With the current state of American RR and rider development, I doubt we will see a US contender in Europe for decades. Which is no big...
With the current state of American RR and rider development, I doubt we will see a US contender in Europe for decades.

Which is no big loss, seeing how a bit of luster has been taken off what was once the premier RR series in the world with the MM/JL stroke fest .

I was looking at buying a new Honda or Yamaha play bike. Won't be buying either of those brands.

Bought my first new Yamaha in 1976. Got a new Honda 50 for Christmas in 1968.

No more of my money will be spent on any Yamaha or Honda products as long as JL and MM are in their employ.
I feel the same about MOTOPP

And am thinking of selling my Honda's - HRC endorsed this un-sportsmanship behavior and even went so far as to lie about it.

Yamaha was not really involved in the "un-sportsmanship" of the Spanish ( Team Organization and Riders )

So I will probably keep my Yamaha - However Husqvarna looks like a good brand to support - They should leave MOTOPP alone ! Stick to their roots - Offroad and MX ( Chainsaws and ??? is why they bust in the first place ! ) Leave MotoPP and put all their money into MX and Offroad would be much better for the brand than diluting their resources in a waste of time total money loss formula - Look how well Kawasaki has done since they left MotoPP ! WSS as well they have a much better bike than Honda - Go figure if HRC spent all their MPP budget on MX and even some on WSS they might even win sometimes - They would get better return on investment as well - Now they have spent a fortune only to lose respect and brand loyal fans - Very Bad Marketing for Corporate ! MR HRC should get called to Head office to committed hara-kiri ! Or how else can he explained he helped Yamaha win the Championship and his riders had no interest in saving face and winning the last race ? If I pay a rider 10 Million Euro's and he pulls stunts like MM did the last couple of races ? What would you do if it was your 10M Euro ? Money talks bullshit walks ...
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11/9/2015 8:50am
Regardless where any of you stand on Rossi/Marquez/Lorenzo, you have to admit that if Rossi would had just kept his mouth shut before Sepang, this whole situation wouldn't have been blown out of proportion like it has.

Personally I think the better man (in terms of speed/consistency) won in the end and would have no matter where Rossi started from in Valencia.

I know it's hard for Rossi fans to accept and I admit I'd probably feel the same way if Chad Reed would lead SX points all 2016 season, just to lose the championship in Vegas.

Just my 2 cents Smile
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11/9/2015 9:03am
ron727 wrote:
Regardless where any of you stand on Rossi/Marquez/Lorenzo, you have to admit that if Rossi would had just kept his mouth shut before Sepang, this whole...
Regardless where any of you stand on Rossi/Marquez/Lorenzo, you have to admit that if Rossi would had just kept his mouth shut before Sepang, this whole situation wouldn't have been blown out of proportion like it has.

Personally I think the better man (in terms of speed/consistency) won in the end and would have no matter where Rossi started from in Valencia.

I know it's hard for Rossi fans to accept and I admit I'd probably feel the same way if Chad Reed would lead SX points all 2016 season, just to lose the championship in Vegas.

Just my 2 cents Smile
Spot on.
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11/9/2015 9:19am
His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch,

you got to be kidding ? Shocked Shocked
Not kidding.

Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and Assen this year, honestly I can't remember any rides he had that were that special.
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11/9/2015 9:20am
You can't argue and say Lorenzo "Stole" the title, he rode a great season! Congrats to him even if I was bummed Rossi isn't crowned champion Dizzy
I was watching the race on Eurosport and before the race the Dutch commentators commented on the Sepangclash. They were more or less blaming the race director for taking the wrong decision. According to them a drive true penalty would have made things a lot clearer. The case would be closed after that. Maybe it would have cost Rossi a place or two but the outcome would be more fair...
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11/9/2015 9:38am
Ninurta wrote:
You can't argue and say Lorenzo "Stole" the title, he rode a great season! Congrats to him even if I was bummed Rossi isn't crowned champion...
You can't argue and say Lorenzo "Stole" the title, he rode a great season! Congrats to him even if I was bummed Rossi isn't crowned champion Dizzy
I was watching the race on Eurosport and before the race the Dutch commentators commented on the Sepangclash. They were more or less blaming the race director for taking the wrong decision. According to them a drive true penalty would have made things a lot clearer. The case would be closed after that. Maybe it would have cost Rossi a place or two but the outcome would be more fair...
It sounds logical, but if they had done that, they couldent be sure that JL would win the World title Laughing
11/9/2015 9:42am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2015 9:45am
His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch,

you got to be kidding ? Shocked Shocked
Jspazz wrote:
Not kidding. Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and...
Not kidding.

Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and Assen this year, honestly I can't remember any rides he had that were that special.
yet he was leading the championship this year up to the very last race ? very uninspiring season for Rossi and all his fans ... but agree , Lorenzo and especially Marquez fans would disagree on this .. i see youre point
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11/9/2015 9:47am
His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch,

you got to be kidding ? Shocked Shocked
Jspazz wrote:
Not kidding. Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and...
Not kidding.

Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and Assen this year, honestly I can't remember any rides he had that were that special.
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man on Mars. How uninspiring.

Just wanted you to know how stupid your reasoning sounds.
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11/9/2015 10:04am
His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch,

you got to be kidding ? Shocked Shocked
Jspazz wrote:
Not kidding. Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and...
Not kidding.

Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and Assen this year, honestly I can't remember any rides he had that were that special.
NV825 wrote:
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man...
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man on Mars. How uninspiring.

Just wanted you to know how stupid your reasoning sounds.
haha
11/9/2015 10:09am
NV825 wrote:
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man...
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man on Mars. How uninspiring.

Just wanted you to know how stupid your reasoning sounds.
Laughing Laughing
11/9/2015 10:10am
His riding since Ducati days has been relatively uninspiring to watch,

you got to be kidding ? Shocked Shocked
Jspazz wrote:
Not kidding. Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and...
Not kidding.

Since going to Ducati, Rossi has 7 wins, 2 poles and 8 fastest laps in the last 5 years. And asides from Argentina and Assen this year, honestly I can't remember any rides he had that were that special.
NV825 wrote:
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man...
Besides the fact this random man cured cancer, solved world hunger, and achieved peace in the Middle East, he still has yet to put a man on Mars. How uninspiring.

Just wanted you to know how stupid your reasoning sounds.
Yeah. And if JL would have not had such uninspiring rides at the first three races, or the brain fart crash / DNF, maybe he would not have needed a fluffer to bring his happy ending this year.
11/9/2015 10:10am
Lorenzo and Marquez cemented their legacies.
With the current state of American RR and rider development, I doubt we will see a US contender in Europe for decades. Which is no big...
With the current state of American RR and rider development, I doubt we will see a US contender in Europe for decades.

Which is no big loss, seeing how a bit of luster has been taken off what was once the premier RR series in the world with the MM/JL stroke fest .

I was looking at buying a new Honda or Yamaha play bike. Won't be buying either of those brands.

Bought my first new Yamaha in 1976. Got a new Honda 50 for Christmas in 1968.

No more of my money will be spent on any Yamaha or Honda products as long as JL and MM are in their employ.
if you are getting moral issues buying bikes then

Honda also would not let Bayle race when he would not help MX Keid in 1989

Yamaha is out for the "let Broc by" incident

Suzuki has to be out for the issues in the 60's were they bribed the rider to steel the MZ GP bike and plans,

KTM/Husqvarna has used team tactics by not letting riders race their team mates (02 when Ramon won the world 125 title i know of ), also there was issues with team riders when Langston won his 125 title as well, also KTM was donkey deep in the Falta incident were his title got taken away,

im sure i could find stuff for the other brands as well, this was just off the top of my head,

and these were all riders who were ordered to help their team mates, I can;t see anyone claiming Honda told MM to mess with Rossi,
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11/9/2015 10:17am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2015 10:21am
scott_nz wrote:
if you are getting moral issues buying bikes then Honda also would not let Bayle race when he would not help MX Keid in 1989 Yamaha...
if you are getting moral issues buying bikes then

Honda also would not let Bayle race when he would not help MX Keid in 1989

Yamaha is out for the "let Broc by" incident

Suzuki has to be out for the issues in the 60's were they bribed the rider to steel the MZ GP bike and plans,

KTM/Husqvarna has used team tactics by not letting riders race their team mates (02 when Ramon won the world 125 title i know of ), also there was issues with team riders when Langston won his 125 title as well, also KTM was donkey deep in the Falta incident were his title got taken away,

im sure i could find stuff for the other brands as well, this was just off the top of my head,

and these were all riders who were ordered to help their team mates, I can;t see anyone claiming Honda told MM to mess with Rossi,
That`s the whole point. It`s a spanish theather in a spanish run series. Dorna needed a spanish champion and they got it. It has nothing to do with teams. He`s boycoting Honda and Yamaha cause they employ scum.
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11/9/2015 10:21am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2015 10:21am
motogrady wrote:
To all you babes in the woods that believed no way................ A quote from Lorenzo......... "They (Marquez- Pedrosa) knew what I had in play. The fact...
To all you babes in the woods that believed no way................


A quote from Lorenzo.........

"They (Marquez- Pedrosa) knew what I had in play. The fact they are Spaniards like me helped me".

"That helped me because for sure in another kind of race they would have tried to overtake, which they didn't this time"

"If Valentino had been in my position and with Italians behind they would have done exactly the same. The title had to be for Spain"



http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/225...onspiracy.html





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So what? They're riding in Spain in front of the King of Spain. They made a large portion of their country very happy
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So what? They're riding in Spain in front of the King of Spain. They made a large portion of their country very happy
If King has any integrity, he`s ashamed of his countrymen.

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