Got to love Hannah. lol

jeffro503 wrote:

It wasn't just because he threw in RV's name. He basically insulted every top rider out there. Basically every top rider over the last two decades...

It wasn't just because he threw in RV's name. He basically insulted every top rider out there. Basically every top rider over the last two decades.

I'm not a young kid either , I'm a vet rider myself. The thing is , that I've tried to evolve the best I can with the newer bikes , the way the tracks are built , ect. Some of you other older guys seem to of never evolved at all , or simply just want to live in the past and refuse to believe that the sport has grown without you. Basically saying that there is hardly no difference in the fitness and the way these guys train from 30yrs ago.......is some of the stupidest shit I've heard.

YEAH!! Those guys back then were in awesome shape , i never said they weren't! The laughable part of what Bob said was , all these top guys are doing drugs. When in fact it was rampant back then with some guys , that were winning and it wasn't any kind of a PED. It was stuff that if a rider was caught now days with and racing , he would of been blackballed from the sport.

Some of you guys have said some classic stuff in this thread. I think Uptite takes the cake with this though " If Hannah was born in 1992, yes he would easily win today. " LMFAO!

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Win easily ? Maybe not but he'd be one of the top riders. DeCoster alluded to this in an interview once saying the top riders of...

Win easily ? Maybe not but he'd be one of the top riders. DeCoster alluded to this in an interview once saying the top riders of the past would be top riders no matter the era. I think I'll take his opinion over yours. Comparing pro riders of a different era to C riders of today doesn't make sense. I think it was Rob Andrews , a GP rider in the 80s and 90s , posted about a local vet class race he won on a dual shock RM. This against modern machinery. Your C class argument doesn't hold water.

jeffro503 wrote:

Haha , ok , the bullshit has risen to a level in this thread now that it's hardly even worth replying to. My main point in...

Haha , ok , the bullshit has risen to a level in this thread now that it's hardly even worth replying to.

My main point in my first replies had to do with what Bob said. That all the riders today are Stupid ,lazy , drug addicted wealthy assholes. You guys want to defend someone that says shit like that , be my guest.

Guy Cooper , Doug Dubach and all those guys that have stayed in the sport , still ride and still have amazing speed. Many more ex-fast guys are the same , Bob isn't. Bob disappeared from this sport 30+yrs ago.

Were those guys super fit back then , yes , I didn't say they weren't. I'm saying the sport has evolved to a point now that guys like Bob just don't seem to be able to grasp the reality of what it takes to win now days. And because he " doesn't get it! "....he goes out of his way to throw insults.

motogrady wrote:

You ain't kidding, the bullshit is getting deep. How is it that much more different.? How are the current guys so much stronger, so much more...

You ain't kidding, the bullshit is getting deep.

How is it that much more different.?

How are the current guys so much stronger, so much more intelligent or whatever, so much more, bionic?

Hannah may be right in a lot of ways, maybe having a dad getting you everything from 4 on up, instead of
Working for it, well, maybe those guys do need someone to keep them on the straight and narrow.

I'd put any current rider up against a Jeff Stanton, effing guy would get dropped off 10 miles out in the desert and run back to his house. Without a trainer coaching him. Who today could hang with that?

As far as Aldon getting paid a year later, he might be off on that. To think Aldon is gonna spill the beans
On something he was involved with, come on. Who knows, it might have been in a contract, you win blah blah blah,
I get paid for 2 years after.

jhansen510 wrote:

Ever hear of a guy named Ryan Dungey? He self motivated himself to the top of amateur motocross from the state of MN. He certainly did...

Ever hear of a guy named Ryan Dungey? He self motivated himself to the top of amateur motocross from the state of MN. He certainly did not have everything handed to him. I know because I grew up racing his brother. He self motivated himself to a point where he was able to catch the eye of Ricky Carmicheal and Decoster. Decoster signed him but Ricky was the one who pointed him out when he noticed RD's corner speed. He was self trained until last year man.

These older guys want to sit and talk shit about all the nut huggers of today's riders. All the while they are swinging from the nuts of the ELITE level riders of their era.

FACT-there is no way to know if a Hannah or Decoster or whoever would cut the mustard in todays level of sx/Mx racing. Just the same there is no way to know if RV could go back and beat Hannah at Saddleback on that era equipment. You can say whatever the fuck you want but there is no way to know. At the end of the day it's all opinions and assholes.

I certainly think the guys of yesteryear could learn how to jump a 150' triple step up no problem. What I don't think they could pick up easily is the rhythm required for a technical SX race or a gnarly whoop section. Take Toronto 2014, Stew made every 450 guy look like a turd out there. Now imagine a guy from the 70s or 80s trying to get around that track with their technique from back then but on a modern bike. I think it would be easier for an RV or RD to go back to the 70s or 80s and run the pace on the tracks and bikes of that era than vice versa.

jeffro503 wrote:

Some of you guys are taking what I'm saying and twisting them around , or just not understanding what I'm trying to say. Example : Take...

Some of you guys are taking what I'm saying and twisting them around , or just not understanding what I'm trying to say.

Example : Take Hannah on his 85' RC250 around a track like say , Washougal. His lap times come in around 2:45 lets say. A fast C or mid pack Intermediate rider , on today's equipment would be doing the same or close to the same lap times. Then take some fast pro from today and watch their lap times be 20-30sec's a lap faster. I'm talking " speed around the track ".......comparable from back then , to today.

Skill wise , Of course the old time pro's had skills beyond belief , but they were also dealing with shitty bikes at slower speeds. I think the fitness is higher now days than it was back then too ( Training evolved ). but I KNOW the speeds these guys carry now , is something Bob or any of the other guys back then did not do!

That is what I'm referring to , as it's a different skill set , different type of racing these guys do now compared to back then. NOBODY knows how certain riders would of adapted to the crazy shit we see now days. NOBODY , and it's all opinion...NOT fact. Just like what I'm saying , is my " opinion ".

Still does NOT take away the fact , that a guy who everyone considers a legend ( Including me ), to spout off and call all these newer generation riders , Lazy , stupid , drug addicts!

Fuck comparing skill and speed! I'm comparing his big mouth and throwing out accusations!

motogrady wrote:

Yeah, Dungey, a case could be made for him, but even he was carted around by his father at a young age. From what I understand...

Yeah, Dungey, a case could be made for him, but even he was carted around by his father at a young age.
From what I understand it was he and his Dad hanging around the zookeeper pits, and his LL finishes that caught RDs eye.

And that brings up another thing.
And you guys ain't gonna like it.

Can anyone tell me, give me a name, of a guy that is at the top tier that hasn't gone thru the LL machine?
You know, the one where your Dad takes you, preps the bikes, coaches you, washes your gear, fixes your meals and makes sure the ac is working so you get a good nights sleep?

Anyone?

Yeah, thinking about it, a trainer is important, but having a family that gives you a head start, by maybe 10 years on the kids that have to deliver newspapers for spending money is, IMO, vastly more advantageous in this day and age.
Maybe that's a big part of what Hannah is talking about.

Think about it.
RV, without his Dad hocking his house and business for all those years, would he have what it takes by himself to get to the top?
What about Stewart?
Would these guys be more than electricians pulling wire or driving a truck if it were not for a daddy warbucks?

Be honest now.

motogrady wrote:

Yeah, Dungey, a case could be made for him, but even he was carted around by his father at a young age. From what I understand...

Yeah, Dungey, a case could be made for him, but even he was carted around by his father at a young age.
From what I understand it was he and his Dad hanging around the zookeeper pits, and his LL finishes that caught RDs eye.

And that brings up another thing.
And you guys ain't gonna like it.

Can anyone tell me, give me a name, of a guy that is at the top tier that hasn't gone thru the LL machine?
You know, the one where your Dad takes you, preps the bikes, coaches you, washes your gear, fixes your meals and makes sure the ac is working so you get a good nights sleep?

Anyone?

Yeah, thinking about it, a trainer is important, but having a family that gives you a head start, by maybe 10 years on the kids that have to deliver newspapers for spending money is, IMO, vastly more advantageous in this day and age.
Maybe that's a big part of what Hannah is talking about.

Think about it.
RV, without his Dad hocking his house and business for all those years, would he have what it takes by himself to get to the top?
What about Stewart?
Would these guys be more than electricians pulling wire or driving a truck if it were not for a daddy warbucks?

Be honest now.

zehn wrote:

When everybody is operating at that level, you either adapt or get left in the dust.

What's your point?

jeffro503 wrote:

Some of you guys are taking what I'm saying and twisting them around , or just not understanding what I'm trying to say. Example : Take...

Some of you guys are taking what I'm saying and twisting them around , or just not understanding what I'm trying to say.

Example : Take Hannah on his 85' RC250 around a track like say , Washougal. His lap times come in around 2:45 lets say. A fast C or mid pack Intermediate rider , on today's equipment would be doing the same or close to the same lap times. Then take some fast pro from today and watch their lap times be 20-30sec's a lap faster. I'm talking " speed around the track ".......comparable from back then , to today.

Skill wise , Of course the old time pro's had skills beyond belief , but they were also dealing with shitty bikes at slower speeds. I think the fitness is higher now days than it was back then too ( Training evolved ). but I KNOW the speeds these guys carry now , is something Bob or any of the other guys back then did not do!

That is what I'm referring to , as it's a different skill set , different type of racing these guys do now compared to back then. NOBODY knows how certain riders would of adapted to the crazy shit we see now days. NOBODY , and it's all opinion...NOT fact. Just like what I'm saying , is my " opinion ".

Still does NOT take away the fact , that a guy who everyone considers a legend ( Including me ), to spout off and call all these newer generation riders , Lazy , stupid , drug addicts!

Fuck comparing skill and speed! I'm comparing his big mouth and throwing out accusations!

ATKpilot99 wrote:

20 or 30 seconds a lap ??? Lmao ok. Not even worth discussing. BTW you're right about one thing no one knows for sure how they...

20 or 30 seconds a lap ??? Lmao ok. Not even worth discussing. BTW you're right about one thing no one knows for sure how they would do just like your first paragraph example is pure speculation. And I'll have to go back and read it again but I don't think Hannah called all of todays riders drug addicts.

motogrady wrote:

The point is, to a large extent, the drugs thing set aside, you almost have to have a rich daddy to make it in the sport...

The point is, to a large extent, the drugs thing set aside, you almost have to have a rich daddy to make it in the sport.

Not everyone has a daddy war buck, only the well off or those spending what they don't have.

How can you compete at 8 when your dada can't fund the LL thing, like the rich kid next door?

How can you adapt when you can't even get to the track?

jeffro503 wrote:

Some of you guys are taking what I'm saying and twisting them around , or just not understanding what I'm trying to say. Example : Take...

Some of you guys are taking what I'm saying and twisting them around , or just not understanding what I'm trying to say.

Example : Take Hannah on his 85' RC250 around a track like say , Washougal. His lap times come in around 2:45 lets say. A fast C or mid pack Intermediate rider , on today's equipment would be doing the same or close to the same lap times. Then take some fast pro from today and watch their lap times be 20-30sec's a lap faster. I'm talking " speed around the track ".......comparable from back then , to today.

Skill wise , Of course the old time pro's had skills beyond belief , but they were also dealing with shitty bikes at slower speeds. I think the fitness is higher now days than it was back then too ( Training evolved ). but I KNOW the speeds these guys carry now , is something Bob or any of the other guys back then did not do!

That is what I'm referring to , as it's a different skill set , different type of racing these guys do now compared to back then. NOBODY knows how certain riders would of adapted to the crazy shit we see now days. NOBODY , and it's all opinion...NOT fact. Just like what I'm saying , is my " opinion ".

Still does NOT take away the fact , that a guy who everyone considers a legend ( Including me ), to spout off and call all these newer generation riders , Lazy , stupid , drug addicts!

Fuck comparing skill and speed! I'm comparing his big mouth and throwing out accusations!

ATKpilot99 wrote:

20 or 30 seconds a lap ??? Lmao ok. Not even worth discussing. BTW you're right about one thing no one knows for sure how they...

20 or 30 seconds a lap ??? Lmao ok. Not even worth discussing. BTW you're right about one thing no one knows for sure how they would do just like your first paragraph example is pure speculation. And I'll have to go back and read it again but I don't think Hannah called all of todays riders drug addicts.

jeffro503 wrote:

Probably closer to 40+ secs a lap. Like I said , it was an example. But carry on.

motogrady wrote:

The point is, to a large extent, the drugs thing set aside, you almost have to have a rich daddy to make it in the sport...

The point is, to a large extent, the drugs thing set aside, you almost have to have a rich daddy to make it in the sport.

Not everyone has a daddy war buck, only the well off or those spending what they don't have.

How can you compete at 8 when your dada can't fund the LL thing, like the rich kid next door?

How can you adapt when you can't even get to the track?

zehn wrote:

You can't, and life isn't fair. The same applies to just about any sport nowadays.

Are you trying to make this about income inequity?

coolhand wrote:

Hannah is correct, and those that have a problem with it are part of the problem.

newmann wrote:

Hannah for the win. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/9207/photos/54295/s1600_Hannah_on_the_podium.jpg[/img]

Hannah for the win.

Lightning78 wrote:

A non LL top guy?

Weston Peick

Lightning78 wrote:

A non LL top guy?

Weston Peick

motogrady wrote:

Good on Weston, he just got a fan.

motogrady wrote:

The point is, to a large extent, the drugs thing set aside, you almost have to have a rich daddy to make it in the sport...

The point is, to a large extent, the drugs thing set aside, you almost have to have a rich daddy to make it in the sport.

Not everyone has a daddy war buck, only the well off or those spending what they don't have.

How can you compete at 8 when your dada can't fund the LL thing, like the rich kid next door?

How can you adapt when you can't even get to the track?

UpTiTe wrote:

1983 Hannah on a RC250 would destroy a local int/B class, to think otherwise is ridiculous. I watched Hannah on Hondas and I watch todays ints...

1983 Hannah on a RC250 would destroy a local int/B class, to think otherwise is ridiculous. I watched Hannah on Hondas and I watch todays ints, no race.

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Ok

UpTiTe wrote:

1983 Hannah on a RC250 would destroy a local int/B class, to think otherwise is ridiculous. I watched Hannah on Hondas and I watch todays ints...

1983 Hannah on a RC250 would destroy a local int/B class, to think otherwise is ridiculous. I watched Hannah on Hondas and I watch todays ints, no race.

motogrady wrote:

Hannah is, mostly correct. You can't throw a blanket about the drugs thing over everyone, I'd think the example of Dungey a good one. But the...

Hannah is, mostly correct.
You can't throw a blanket about the drugs thing over everyone, I'd think the example of Dungey a good one.

But the spoiled rich kids, that can't be denied, well, mostly. IM still waiting for a non LL top tier guy.

And is it a problem, I dunno, you could just say this is just another way the sport has evolved.
It's the way it is, rich kids mostly nowadays, some might not like to hear it, but show me different.

jemcee wrote:

so an old champion who retired 30 years ago has an opinion about what's needed to win these days and apparently it holds more weight than...

so an old champion who retired 30 years ago has an opinion about what's needed to win these days and apparently it holds more weight than the current champion's opinion about what's needed to win these days

that's interesting

Tbteam wrote:

Like many here at Vital, I was fortunate enough to be there when Bob, David and Johnny trained and practiced. To make the claims that have...

Like many here at Vital, I was fortunate enough to be there when Bob, David and Johnny trained and practiced. To make the claims that have been made about their speed being comparable to an amateur at any level is laughable.

Anyone who makes these claims is delusional. If you were there, you know.

These guys were FAST. Not fast for their era... Just fast.

Oh, and there was never a question of PED's. They just hauled ass for 45 minutes because they were bad asses.