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project racer 10/26/2015 1:05pm
10/26/2015 1:05pm
Good for VR. Let MM and Lorenzo stroke each other off the whole race. Hope they have good crowd control ready should Rossi sit it out.
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kiwifan 10/26/2015 1:16pm
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We Are Going Viral ! Nicholas Davis Virginia Water, United Kingdom Oct 26, 2015 — Thank you everybody. Change.org have informed us that they are going...
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we are officially going viral !
Well done and Thank You to all of you who are standing up for A Clean Championship !!!
If you have trouble with the system please be patient. stay with us.
We are shining through and the honour of the sport needs and wants the support of each and every one of you !
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but but but....Kiwifan reckons it's a waste of time. Blink


yeah I do....
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Berni 10/26/2015 1:42pm
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Beside whoever is at fault (I think MM, VR and Dorna have deal with this in a bad way), what it is a embarassment is the journalism (or lack of it), specially in TV.

Here in Spain all chanels tells you how dangerous the "kick" that Rossi threw was, how little he was punished and what a big danger MM was in due to Valentino's kick.... But no mention at all about how MM has been playing dirty in a war he had no bussines, neither the support that Valentino is having from the paddock and from past racers.

Then they show Lorenzo expressing how dissapointed he is with the little penalty that Rossi got, and no mention at all to the clean victory of Pedrosa.

I usually likes Marquez and do not really care for VR but it is just wrong


So what I get from this all is.... do not complay about journalism in the USA moto scene.... seems like it is not that bad
Black Diesel Bomber 10/26/2015 1:47pm
10/26/2015 1:47pm
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…

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kiwifan 10/26/2015 1:56pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at...
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
crusty_xx 10/26/2015 1:58pm
10/26/2015 1:58pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2015 2:00pm
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at...
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…
The most awesome thing would be Lorenzo first Marquez second in the race and Rossi coming from last to smoke Marquez and take the title.
crusty_xx 10/26/2015 2:03pm
10/26/2015 2:03pm
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at...
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…
kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
yes hard racing. Very hard racing.
Too hard racing for a guy that is not in the title fight anymore and that is known to crash a lot.

Rossi didn't try to take him out either (he's not dumb, he knows the rulebook), the only difference is that Marquez stayed on the gas and crashed into Rossi and went down (pretty much on his own fault IMO)
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Bosco 10/26/2015 2:06pm
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Aside from the he said/ she said of the actual contact, the penalty sets a worrying precedent. Mike Webb explained the penalty as being for "irresponsible riding" which he clarified as "deliberately running wide in a corner in order to try and force another rider off line". They penalised Rossi for running wide in the corner, not for (allegedly) knocking Marquez off.

Does anyone else find that absolutely baffling? That race direction can penalise riders for not taking the racing line? It seems that the men in suits are trying to control too much of the racing. They are reaching beyond their grasp in my opinion, and it is sad.

Another thing I found laughable was Jorge's nonsense in the press conference. He starts off with "it doesn't enter into my head to do these kind of things, never in my life" about Rossi's manoeuvre, like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth... And then says "in 2005, I make something similar... and they took me one race of penalisation". Combined with his incredibly childish and spoilt attitude, and the way he handled the question about his potentially passing Rossi under a yellow (basically told the journalist to f**k off), it doesn't give the impression of a champion.

Someone has already said it above I think; there are no winners in this situation: Rossi has almost certainly lost the championship, Marquez has lost a lot of respect from a lot of MotoGP fans, Dorna has (in my eyes) lost a lot of credibility, and Jorge's antics and attitude in the press conference do not become a world champion, past or future.

Dani had a good race though!
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500guy 10/26/2015 2:07pm
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I don't follow the sport but that one video shows Marquez riding in a very dirty manner, to me He got what he deserved.
Black Diesel Bomber 10/26/2015 2:09pm
10/26/2015 2:09pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2015 2:10pm
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at...
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…
kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
Kiwi you have just elevated yourself from complete Tool, to a complete Tool Bag....I'm sorry, anyone who says MM was "knocked down" is just here to argue instead of just watching the video footage and calling it like it is. Please feel free to analyze any of the video footage and tell us how MM was knocked down by Rossi? MM was behind Rossi, and MM ran it into Rossi, taking himself down. Put on your Coke bottle glasses, you obviously haven't seen any of the footage that you are bickering about.

You should also put this in your signature for future reference "MM was knocked down" LOL
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oldrider 10/26/2015 2:23pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at...
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…
kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Kiwi you have just elevated yourself from complete Tool, to a complete Tool Bag....I'm sorry, anyone who says MM was "knocked down" is just here to...
Kiwi you have just elevated yourself from complete Tool, to a complete Tool Bag....I'm sorry, anyone who says MM was "knocked down" is just here to argue instead of just watching the video footage and calling it like it is. Please feel free to analyze any of the video footage and tell us how MM was knocked down by Rossi? MM was behind Rossi, and MM ran it into Rossi, taking himself down. Put on your Coke bottle glasses, you obviously haven't seen any of the footage that you are bickering about.

You should also put this in your signature for future reference "MM was knocked down" LOL
+1, and I add that this is the 3rd time this year that MM "touches" VR while VR in front of him, all 3 times VR won and MM crashed, MM has been a royal idiot and VR show the world he has balls+skills like no other rider. I also think this issue will separate riders/real fan from general public; after reviewing the slow speed replays all riders agree that is MM fault; general public will swing opinion depending on journalists opinions.
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OldYZRider1 10/26/2015 2:35pm
10/26/2015 2:35pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2015 2:55pm
After watching Marquez the last couple of years I see he's prone to pulling some high risk passes with little margin for error which puts those around him at risk. He's beginning to remind me of Hector Barbera (another Spaniard) who was basically a menace to those on the track he was racing with. A couple of those close passes Marquez put on Rossi ahead of the crash were very close and probably pissed Rossi off (they would've me). He took him wide as he's admitted and when Marquez leaned onto Rossi's leg, Rossi shoved him off (who wouldn't have) and as a result Marquez fell. To me its an unfortunate racing incident but maybe Marquez will learn from it as he's a very talented rider and doesn't need to race that way.

As for Rossi not racing Valencia; I don't know if the FIM would reverse their decision because of his threat but a similar tactic worked for RC during the SX "fuelgate" incident. But the final race is in Spain and if he sits out a Spaniard will take the title. I'm not sure Rossi could count on much of an attendance drop if he doesn't show as that's the only ammunition Rossi appears to have at this point to try and get a penalty modification.
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MX690 10/26/2015 2:46pm
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I have been a fan of Rossi before he even through a leg over a 500cc. But this was just a dumb move by Rossi, MM is quite within his right to race as hard as he can against Rossi even if he's not in championship contention, it was still for a podium position. If you have followed VR career you would know that he's not immune from doing some careless racing himself over the years. Some of the conspiracy theories on here are just laughable. If the roles were reversed and MM took Rossi wide like that and Rossi crashed I'm certain most of you would be calling for MM to be suspended. When Rossi came in after the race, that wasn't the same Rossi, he knew he fucked up and was in trouble.
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KirkChandler 10/26/2015 2:53pm
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One thing is for sure, the drama has people talking about MotoGP.

When was the last time on VitalMX that a MotoGP thread had 8 pages and 16,000+ views? And it's not just isolated to Vital. The MotoGP boards, Twitter, Facebook, etc are going crazy since the incident.

Kind of confirms the Racer X article about the need for drama to keep interest high in motocross.

And in my opinion, Marquez was riding on edge with some of his passes, and if he would of took out Vale it would have ended the championship right there. So Rossi over the wreckless riding put a stop to it. Vale loses either way, but I'd rather lose in Race Direction than be wrecked at 180+. I would have done the same thing.
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DP#201 10/26/2015 3:10pm
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MX690 wrote:
I have been a fan of Rossi before he even through a leg over a 500cc. But this was just a dumb move by Rossi, MM...
I have been a fan of Rossi before he even through a leg over a 500cc. But this was just a dumb move by Rossi, MM is quite within his right to race as hard as he can against Rossi even if he's not in championship contention, it was still for a podium position. If you have followed VR career you would know that he's not immune from doing some careless racing himself over the years. Some of the conspiracy theories on here are just laughable. If the roles were reversed and MM took Rossi wide like that and Rossi crashed I'm certain most of you would be calling for MM to be suspended. When Rossi came in after the race, that wasn't the same Rossi, he knew he fucked up and was in trouble.
MM clearly slowed up every time he passes Rossi, MM had the speed to outrun Rossi but he didnt. And it was also verry obvius that MM just led JL bye and led him take off. MM was not Racing for podium, he was Racing to hold Rossi back. And thats the problem with this whole thing, it was not Racing, it was slow down the Italian.
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oldrider 10/26/2015 3:14pm
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MX690 wrote:
I have been a fan of Rossi before he even through a leg over a 500cc. But this was just a dumb move by Rossi, MM...
I have been a fan of Rossi before he even through a leg over a 500cc. But this was just a dumb move by Rossi, MM is quite within his right to race as hard as he can against Rossi even if he's not in championship contention, it was still for a podium position. If you have followed VR career you would know that he's not immune from doing some careless racing himself over the years. Some of the conspiracy theories on here are just laughable. If the roles were reversed and MM took Rossi wide like that and Rossi crashed I'm certain most of you would be calling for MM to be suspended. When Rossi came in after the race, that wasn't the same Rossi, he knew he fucked up and was in trouble.
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MM clearly slowed up every time he passes Rossi, MM had the speed to outrun Rossi but he didnt. And it was also verry obvius that...
MM clearly slowed up every time he passes Rossi, MM had the speed to outrun Rossi but he didnt. And it was also verry obvius that MM just led JL bye and led him take off. MM was not Racing for podium, he was Racing to hold Rossi back. And thats the problem with this whole thing, it was not Racing, it was slow down the Italian.
+1 and left VR with little option....lot to loose and very pissed off! Well done doctor!
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motomike137 10/26/2015 3:47pm
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They totally screwed the pooch on this one. I have followed MotoGP for many years. I love how hard Marquez rides and his hang it out in the breeze style. I have always loved watching Valentino and his surgical skills (pun intended). There has been a lot of hard racing between these two this year and this was another case of that and clearly Marquez was trying very hard to fuck with Rossi and ended up on the ground for it. For them to penalize Valentino for what my eyeballs saw is just plain ridiculous. I hope that Rossi wins this thing and flips the bird to the sactioning body!
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Crush 10/26/2015 3:57pm
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If anyone thinks Vale actually kicked Marquez, or that a kick from that angle would upset a 160 kg bike... well I don't know what to tell you...

He's not Bruce Lee people.

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Andy_Greenney 10/26/2015 4:01pm
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Crush wrote:
If anyone thinks Vale actually kicked Marquez, or that a kick from that angle would upset a 160 kg bike... well I don't know what to...
If anyone thinks Vale actually kicked Marquez, or that a kick from that angle would upset a 160 kg bike... well I don't know what to tell you...

He's not Bruce Lee people.
And yet the bike tucked under whilst being almost up right and way off race pace.....telepathy?
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RG1 10/26/2015 4:02pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard, they both did, but that's the exact reaction that Rossi should have expected. If Rossi hadn't have said anything in the press conference then this wouldn't have happened. Anyone who says that MM could have easily pulled away from Rossi is kidding themselves, there is absolutely nothing to prove this, it's just an opinion. I can understand why Rossi was pissed, but I can also understand why Marquez rode the way he did. People need to understand that this was 2 guys who dislike each other, going to war and both being as bad as each other. Not Marquez being totally at fault and Rossi a helpless victim as many people choose to see it

I also agree that the petition is a total waste of time. The stewards don't need to see a petition to know that people will be disappointed by this decision, it's obvious, but they did what they had to do. Public opinion is not going to change their decision, it would set a very bad precedent to remove a penalty purely based on popularity
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Crush 10/26/2015 4:17pm
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And yet the bike tucked under whilst being almost up right and way off race pace.....telepathy?
Yeah, he fell off, but he fell from the impact of the two bikes coming together. Neither were upright either.

Think about the force of a 67kg man's leg from such a small movement. His leg got bumped off the peg from the 200 plus kilos hitting him from behind... not the other way around!
Andy_Greenney 10/26/2015 4:22pm
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Yeah, he fell off, but he fell from the impact of the two bikes coming together. Neither were upright either. Think about the force of a...
Yeah, he fell off, but he fell from the impact of the two bikes coming together. Neither were upright either.

Think about the force of a 67kg man's leg from such a small movement. His leg got bumped off the peg from the 200 plus kilos hitting him from behind... not the other way around!
It doesn't take much force on a bar end/elbow/arm or a brake lever to cause problems, but its all irrelevant, if Rossi had not made it so blatant when running him out wide I doubt he would be looking at a penalty, Marquez knew once Rossi had done that the consequences were down to him (Rossi)
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kiwifan 10/26/2015 5:00pm
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Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at...
Here's a good link to show how the dirty little bitch Marquez was riding before Rossi took him wide. Marquez tried to take him out at least a couple times and it would have been much uglier at high speed:

http://www.ilgiornale.it/video/sport/video-che-incastra-marquez-cosa-su…
kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Kiwi you have just elevated yourself from complete Tool, to a complete Tool Bag....I'm sorry, anyone who says MM was "knocked down" is just here to...
Kiwi you have just elevated yourself from complete Tool, to a complete Tool Bag....I'm sorry, anyone who says MM was "knocked down" is just here to argue instead of just watching the video footage and calling it like it is. Please feel free to analyze any of the video footage and tell us how MM was knocked down by Rossi? MM was behind Rossi, and MM ran it into Rossi, taking himself down. Put on your Coke bottle glasses, you obviously haven't seen any of the footage that you are bickering about.

You should also put this in your signature for future reference "MM was knocked down" LOL
I am a tool bag because I see the accident in a different light to others ???? I am not going to change my opinion just because you don't agree with me FFS

I don't have to justify my view of the event just because you don't agree with it.

At least I don't tell others they are tools or tool bags because I disagree with them!!!

Are you serious?!?!!??!?!?!

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kiwifan 10/26/2015 5:01pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
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I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard...
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard, they both did, but that's the exact reaction that Rossi should have expected. If Rossi hadn't have said anything in the press conference then this wouldn't have happened. Anyone who says that MM could have easily pulled away from Rossi is kidding themselves, there is absolutely nothing to prove this, it's just an opinion. I can understand why Rossi was pissed, but I can also understand why Marquez rode the way he did. People need to understand that this was 2 guys who dislike each other, going to war and both being as bad as each other. Not Marquez being totally at fault and Rossi a helpless victim as many people choose to see it

I also agree that the petition is a total waste of time. The stewards don't need to see a petition to know that people will be disappointed by this decision, it's obvious, but they did what they had to do. Public opinion is not going to change their decision, it would set a very bad precedent to remove a penalty purely based on popularity
Yup, nicely said
just.another.nickname 10/26/2015 5:30pm
10/26/2015 5:30pm
kiwifan wrote:
Really? I see some hard racing before MM was knocked down.... I guess you see what you want to see eh?
RG1 wrote:
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard...
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard, they both did, but that's the exact reaction that Rossi should have expected. If Rossi hadn't have said anything in the press conference then this wouldn't have happened. Anyone who says that MM could have easily pulled away from Rossi is kidding themselves, there is absolutely nothing to prove this, it's just an opinion. I can understand why Rossi was pissed, but I can also understand why Marquez rode the way he did. People need to understand that this was 2 guys who dislike each other, going to war and both being as bad as each other. Not Marquez being totally at fault and Rossi a helpless victim as many people choose to see it

I also agree that the petition is a total waste of time. The stewards don't need to see a petition to know that people will be disappointed by this decision, it's obvious, but they did what they had to do. Public opinion is not going to change their decision, it would set a very bad precedent to remove a penalty purely based on popularity
kiwifan wrote:
Yup, nicely said
I'm not blinded by anything, as I'm not a MotoGP follower or a fan of any specific rider! How anyone doesn't see that MM running his bike into VR is what caused the crash is beyond explanation.
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Gringoe 10/26/2015 5:37pm
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We are looking at this wrong.. Vale comes from the last row in the rain to the front to win the title. He then leaves while flicking the bird to the promoter and lorenzo MM. And then he is beamed into the sky where the aliens try to figure out how he is such a badass.

Disclaimer: Ive been drinking a bit
scott_nz 10/26/2015 6:20pm
10/26/2015 6:20pm
what ever your view here, does anyone here actually believe that penalties should be enforced by social media campaigns? if so, if the MM93 fans got more people to sign a change.org form for him that Rossi should have points taken away should that happen as well?

my opinion is MM got into Rossi's head, and Rossi fucked up,

as said above, drama brings attention to the sport, almost feel sorry for the yamaha management trying to keep both teams from an all out brawl in their own pits,

if Valencia was not sold out already, i bet it is now, if Rossi turns up or not,

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RG1 10/26/2015 6:39pm
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RG1 wrote:
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard...
I agree with you. I think a lot of people are blinded by the fact that it was Rossi who is an icon. Marquez raced hard, they both did, but that's the exact reaction that Rossi should have expected. If Rossi hadn't have said anything in the press conference then this wouldn't have happened. Anyone who says that MM could have easily pulled away from Rossi is kidding themselves, there is absolutely nothing to prove this, it's just an opinion. I can understand why Rossi was pissed, but I can also understand why Marquez rode the way he did. People need to understand that this was 2 guys who dislike each other, going to war and both being as bad as each other. Not Marquez being totally at fault and Rossi a helpless victim as many people choose to see it

I also agree that the petition is a total waste of time. The stewards don't need to see a petition to know that people will be disappointed by this decision, it's obvious, but they did what they had to do. Public opinion is not going to change their decision, it would set a very bad precedent to remove a penalty purely based on popularity
kiwifan wrote:
Yup, nicely said
just.another.nickname wrote:
I'm not blinded by [i]anything[/i], as I'm not a MotoGP follower or a fan of [i]any[/i] specific rider! How anyone doesn't see that MM running his...
I'm not blinded by anything, as I'm not a MotoGP follower or a fan of any specific rider! How anyone doesn't see that MM running his bike into VR is what caused the crash is beyond explanation.
I never said that Rossi deliberately ran into Marquez and knocked him off. I just said that they were both as bad as each other and Rossi is not just a victim in all this. He more than played his part in it
just.another.nickname 10/26/2015 7:08pm
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I never said that Rossi deliberately ran into Marquez and knocked him off. I just said that they were both as bad as each other and...
I never said that Rossi deliberately ran into Marquez and knocked him off. I just said that they were both as bad as each other and Rossi is not just a victim in all this. He more than played his part in it
The "victim" card is thrown out there cause how does VR receive a penalty for MM running himself, and then crashing, into him! Simply put, if MM had just ran his own race there's no crash and nothing to discuss. MM was the catalyst, period.
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RG1 10/26/2015 7:18pm
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just.another.nickname wrote:
The "victim" card is thrown out there cause how does VR receive a penalty for MM running himself, and then crashing, into him! Simply put, if...
The "victim" card is thrown out there cause how does VR receive a penalty for MM running himself, and then crashing, into him! Simply put, if MM had just ran his own race there's no crash and nothing to discuss. MM was the catalyst, period.
Marquez reacted to what was said by Rossi in the press conference, Rossi reacted to Marquez's reaction. It was hard racing up until the point where Rossi ran him out wide, but I don't think you could say that either rider did anything more than make the most of gaps that were there up to that point. I don't believe for a second that Rossi had the intention of knocking Marquez off, but in slowing down, running Marquez wide and looking for him a number of times, he made it look worse than it should've done. By running right out wide and deliberately blocking Marquez, he instigated the incident that led to Marquez crashing. Whether that outcome was what he intended or not, it is a penalty.

If Rossi had just kept his mouth shut and gone about his business the way he should, then I'm sure that he wouldn't have got that kind of reaction out of Marquez

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