Canard & Gajser to race in Japanese series

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Myke 10/14/2015 3:08pm
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Lightning78 wrote:
Like the 2017 crf450?
deltadestroyer11 wrote:
Yeah, the 17 crf450!!.. Can't wait to test one of those myself.
Hopefully electric start!
deltadestroyer11 10/14/2015 3:23pm
10/14/2015 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 10/14/2015 3:24pm
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning the weight war. And perhaps less complicated suspension... that's better than the 15.
If Honda achieves those two or three changes and keeps every other trait of the current model it will be a hard bike to beat.
I could care less about E-start, but if it is push button start, I at least hope there's a kickstarter too..
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PressPassP 10/14/2015 4:49pm
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machine wrote:
When Canard kicks Gasjers ass, I guess Malin will say he wasn't trying...Whistling
RichardLoots wrote:
who cares about Canard and Gaijser ;) , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting...
who cares about Canard and Gaijser Wink , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting to see
b.mohler wrote:
With Webb having raced this same track last year and saying he liked the track a lot, plus him being "frustrated" after USGP and MXoN, my...
With Webb having raced this same track last year and saying he liked the track a lot, plus him being "frustrated" after USGP and MXoN, my moneys on him. But seeing as I hail from the good ol USA I may be a little biased.... we'll see.
Webb will want some redemption for sure,frustration must be an understatement,he's going to be fired up in view of the amount of times Febvre blew by him,that's going to be the match up to see
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bobby397 10/14/2015 5:40pm
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RichardLoots wrote:
who cares about Canard and Gaijser ;) , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting...
who cares about Canard and Gaijser Wink , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting to see
b.mohler wrote:
With Webb having raced this same track last year and saying he liked the track a lot, plus him being "frustrated" after USGP and MXoN, my...
With Webb having raced this same track last year and saying he liked the track a lot, plus him being "frustrated" after USGP and MXoN, my moneys on him. But seeing as I hail from the good ol USA I may be a little biased.... we'll see.
PressPassP wrote:
Webb will want some redemption for sure,frustration must be an understatement,he's going to be fired up in view of the amount of times Febvre blew by...
Webb will want some redemption for sure,frustration must be an understatement,he's going to be fired up in view of the amount of times Febvre blew by him,that's going to be the match up to see
"Blew by him" ? If I remember correctly Webb was able to keep him in sight which isn't bad considering he's technically a 250 class guy

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FGR01 10/14/2015 10:11pm
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I'll be there.
RichardLoots 10/14/2015 10:50pm
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bobby397 wrote:
"Blew by him" ? If I remember correctly Webb was able to keep him in sight which isn't bad considering he's technically a 250 class guy
you could say ..Febvre controlled his lead Wink i bet Webb wants to beat him here , i hope there will be some kind of recording of this race
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kiwifan 10/14/2015 11:30pm
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deltadestroyer11 wrote:
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning...
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning the weight war. And perhaps less complicated suspension... that's better than the 15.
If Honda achieves those two or three changes and keeps every other trait of the current model it will be a hard bike to beat.
I could care less about E-start, but if it is push button start, I at least hope there's a kickstarter too..
I doubt they will change the suspension back to spring forks....so you might be out of luck there
deltadestroyer11 10/15/2015 1:18am
10/15/2015 1:18am
deltadestroyer11 wrote:
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning...
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning the weight war. And perhaps less complicated suspension... that's better than the 15.
If Honda achieves those two or three changes and keeps every other trait of the current model it will be a hard bike to beat.
I could care less about E-start, but if it is push button start, I at least hope there's a kickstarter too..
kiwifan wrote:
I doubt they will change the suspension back to spring forks....so you might be out of luck there
I like the air forks on my 14 model (after FC revalved them), the shock too.. they're quite good. But the PSF on the 15 and 16 model are crazy.. I hear they're really good too after a revalve, but I don't want high speed rebound on the forks and a crazy array of clickers on the shock...too complicated for me. I also think the bike is a little too narrow at the pegs and lower frame..
THE mx addict 10/15/2015 1:24am
10/15/2015 1:24am
Martin vs Gajser will be a good battle to see in 250F category too...
kaidoddragon 10/15/2015 3:57am
10/15/2015 3:57am
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Martin vs Gajser will be a good battle to see in 250F category too...
MM25 and Martin were a minute ahead of Seewer/Lieber at MXON and faster than Jonass in qualif. Webb has gone 2/6 on the 450 and Guillod finished 9/14.

Even Alldredge was able to finish ahead of Gajser in USGP race 1, even tho it was GH...
THE mx addict 10/15/2015 4:27am
10/15/2015 4:27am
THE mx addict wrote:
Martin vs Gajser will be a good battle to see in 250F category too...
kaidoddragon wrote:
MM25 and Martin were a minute ahead of Seewer/Lieber at MXON and faster than Jonass in qualif. Webb has gone 2/6 on the 450 and Guillod...
MM25 and Martin were a minute ahead of Seewer/Lieber at MXON and faster than Jonass in qualif. Webb has gone 2/6 on the 450 and Guillod finished 9/14.

Even Alldredge was able to finish ahead of Gajser in USGP race 1, even tho it was GH...
So, what's your point exactly ?
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mxrudi 10/15/2015 4:35am
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Do you realize world championship was on the line for Gajser at GH? Plus he rode that track first time. I'm not sure whether he will ride 250 or 450 in Japan, but he will be up there.
kaidoddragon 10/15/2015 4:48am
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What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of JH) are not looking as fast than the lites. I can't see Anstie or Gajser on their 250 battling with Barcia or Van Horebeek on their 450 like Musquin and Martin did at MXON. And Guillod was nowhere near the front on the 450, when Webb was battling with Febvre.

I'm european and I like both championship and what I'm trying to say is m'y conclusion of the USGP/MXON results.
2strokerider 10/15/2015 5:03am
10/15/2015 5:03am Edited Date/Time 10/15/2015 5:21am
kaidoddragon wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of...
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of JH) are not looking as fast than the lites. I can't see Anstie or Gajser on their 250 battling with Barcia or Van Horebeek on their 450 like Musquin and Martin did at MXON. And Guillod was nowhere near the front on the 450, when Webb was battling with Febvre.

I'm european and I like both championship and what I'm trying to say is m'y conclusion of the USGP/MXON results.
anstie was well on the pace till his bike packed in and he got landed on! was only a few tenths off martins time in practice and also running 3rd right behind them in the mx2 quali race (before he had the mechanical )

will be interesting to see a few of the top riders racing over there (from both sides of the pond) hopefully we will be able to watch the full races somewhere?
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mxrudi 10/15/2015 5:19am
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kaidoddragon wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of...
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of JH) are not looking as fast than the lites. I can't see Anstie or Gajser on their 250 battling with Barcia or Van Horebeek on their 450 like Musquin and Martin did at MXON. And Guillod was nowhere near the front on the 450, when Webb was battling with Febvre.

I'm european and I like both championship and what I'm trying to say is m'y conclusion of the USGP/MXON results.
Man factory CRF 250 is seriously underpowered against KTM and Yamaha 250s. That's the reason why Gajser will maybe run MXGP in 2016. If you could only see his speed on 450 in A finals at MXON...unfortunately team Slovenia had some bad luck.

As far as Guillod goes, he wasn't physically 100% for this race, let alone 450.
crusty_xx 10/15/2015 5:22am
10/15/2015 5:22am
I don't think anyone would have expected the current 250 guys to hang with Martin Musquin and Webb.
Maybe Anstie on a good day but for everyone else it's a race for the remaining positions IMO.
Herlings and Ferrandis might have been another story, same for Tonus

With Anstie and Jonass out there was really not much MX2 talent left at the mxdn.
Watch out for Seewer next year tho!
2strokerider 10/15/2015 5:23am
10/15/2015 5:23am
kaidoddragon wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of...
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of JH) are not looking as fast than the lites. I can't see Anstie or Gajser on their 250 battling with Barcia or Van Horebeek on their 450 like Musquin and Martin did at MXON. And Guillod was nowhere near the front on the 450, when Webb was battling with Febvre.

I'm european and I like both championship and what I'm trying to say is m'y conclusion of the USGP/MXON results.
mxrudi wrote:
Man factory CRF 250 is seriously underpowered against KTM and Yamaha 250s. That's the reason why Gajser will maybe run MXGP in 2016. If you could...
Man factory CRF 250 is seriously underpowered against KTM and Yamaha 250s. That's the reason why Gajser will maybe run MXGP in 2016. If you could only see his speed on 450 in A finals at MXON...unfortunately team Slovenia had some bad luck.

As far as Guillod goes, he wasn't physically 100% for this race, let alone 450.
they've gained a lot this year haven't they? (the Honda 250f)- would have liked to see how anstie would have done at the nations without the terrible luck, and like you say- gaisjer would have been up there if he had 2 team mates good enough to help him to the 'A' final!!
2strokerider 10/15/2015 5:26am
10/15/2015 5:26am
crusty_xx wrote:
I don't think anyone would have expected the current 250 guys to hang with Martin Musquin and Webb. Maybe Anstie on a good day but for...
I don't think anyone would have expected the current 250 guys to hang with Martin Musquin and Webb.
Maybe Anstie on a good day but for everyone else it's a race for the remaining positions IMO.
Herlings and Ferrandis might have been another story, same for Tonus

With Anstie and Jonass out there was really not much MX2 talent left at the mxdn.
Watch out for Seewer next year tho!
herlings - definitely! ferrandis? hmm, not sure! anstie has been a lot faster than him for most of this season!

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kaidoddragon 10/15/2015 6:09am
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kaidoddragon wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of...
What I'm trying to say is that 450 world championship and 450 outdoors are both looking really fast, but the 250 world championship (exception made of JH) are not looking as fast than the lites. I can't see Anstie or Gajser on their 250 battling with Barcia or Van Horebeek on their 450 like Musquin and Martin did at MXON. And Guillod was nowhere near the front on the 450, when Webb was battling with Febvre.

I'm european and I like both championship and what I'm trying to say is m'y conclusion of the USGP/MXON results.
mxrudi wrote:
Man factory CRF 250 is seriously underpowered against KTM and Yamaha 250s. That's the reason why Gajser will maybe run MXGP in 2016. If you could...
Man factory CRF 250 is seriously underpowered against KTM and Yamaha 250s. That's the reason why Gajser will maybe run MXGP in 2016. If you could only see his speed on 450 in A finals at MXON...unfortunately team Slovenia had some bad luck.

As far as Guillod goes, he wasn't physically 100% for this race, let alone 450.
I was there and I did see him ride. Tim was really fast, maybe top 5 speed, but not as fast as C. Webb, M. Musquin and J. Martin...
RichardLoots 10/15/2015 6:37am
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2strokerider wrote:
herlings - definitely! ferrandis? hmm, not sure! anstie has been a lot faster than him for most of this season!
ferrandis did only 6 races this season , with better results ... Ferrandis was second in championship before he retired with 205 and Anstie had 123 points at 10
so i think its fair to say Ferrandis was faster , even with the 0 scores of Anstie
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machine 10/15/2015 6:50am
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machine wrote:
When Canard kicks Gasjers ass, I guess Malin will say he wasn't trying...Whistling
RichardLoots wrote:
who cares about Canard and Gaijser ;) , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting...
who cares about Canard and Gaijser Wink , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting to see
I'm still taking Canard for the win, Webb is improving all the time, but Canard's still got him on a 450. It will be a good battle between the 3 though no doubt.
2strokerider 10/15/2015 6:57am
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machine wrote:
When Canard kicks Gasjers ass, I guess Malin will say he wasn't trying...Whistling
RichardLoots wrote:
who cares about Canard and Gaijser ;) , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting...
who cares about Canard and Gaijser Wink , Febvre and Webb racing again .... last 2 times they raced each other was pretty good and exciting to see
machine wrote:
I'm still taking Canard for the win, Webb is improving all the time, but Canard's still got him on a 450. It will be a good...
I'm still taking Canard for the win, Webb is improving all the time, but Canard's still got him on a 450. It will be a good battle between the 3 though no doubt.
canards still got him on a 450? not so sure about that- webb was quicker than Barcia at the nations...

I think cooper will be right up at the sharp end when he goes 450, he's done more than enough to prove himself on the 450 already!!

would love to see trey have a good injury free season though. We all know he will be a contender if he can keep it on 2 wheels...

if I was going to bet money on this race, it would be on febvre! how can you bet against the guy? he's been on fire all year! just keeps getting better and better
kaidoddragon 10/15/2015 6:59am
10/15/2015 6:59am
Martin, on a 450. He's gonna be fast.
2strokerider 10/15/2015 7:02am
10/15/2015 7:02am
kaidoddragon wrote:
Martin, on a 450. He's gonna be fast.
you would think so, but good 250 rider doesn't always = good 450 rider!

until they actually race one, its still a bit of an unknown. I think both martin, marvin and webb are all next level, top tier riders. They should all excel on 450s!!

really excited to see marvin in the big class!!
crusty_xx 10/15/2015 7:05am
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crusty_xx wrote:
I don't think anyone would have expected the current 250 guys to hang with Martin Musquin and Webb. Maybe Anstie on a good day but for...
I don't think anyone would have expected the current 250 guys to hang with Martin Musquin and Webb.
Maybe Anstie on a good day but for everyone else it's a race for the remaining positions IMO.
Herlings and Ferrandis might have been another story, same for Tonus

With Anstie and Jonass out there was really not much MX2 talent left at the mxdn.
Watch out for Seewer next year tho!
2strokerider wrote:
herlings - definitely! ferrandis? hmm, not sure! anstie has been a lot faster than him for most of this season!
not sure where you take that from. Anstie wasn't good in the early season before Ferrandis and Herlings went out.
Ferrandis beat him in 9/12 motos he contested.

Anstie just has so many bad days. Like I said on a good day he can run with anyone and I'm not sure if Ferrandis would have the upper hand then
RichardLoots 10/15/2015 7:08am
10/15/2015 7:08am
machine wrote:
I'm still taking Canard for the win, Webb is improving all the time, but Canard's still got him on a 450. It will be a good...
I'm still taking Canard for the win, Webb is improving all the time, but Canard's still got him on a 450. It will be a good battle between the 3 though no doubt.
could be , i havent seen Canard beat Webb on a 450 ...we did see the battles between Febvre and Webb and Barcia, we know both Webb and Febvre are very fast .....
THE mx addict 10/15/2015 1:38pm
10/15/2015 1:38pm
2strokerider wrote:
herlings - definitely! ferrandis? hmm, not sure! anstie has been a lot faster than him for most of this season!
Ferrandis ? Are you sure ?

You mean Tixier, don't you...
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kiwifan 10/15/2015 4:31pm
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deltadestroyer11 wrote:
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning...
All I want in the new Honda for 2017 is somewhere around 57hp, maybe loose another two or three lbs, just to keep KTM from winning the weight war. And perhaps less complicated suspension... that's better than the 15.
If Honda achieves those two or three changes and keeps every other trait of the current model it will be a hard bike to beat.
I could care less about E-start, but if it is push button start, I at least hope there's a kickstarter too..
kiwifan wrote:
I doubt they will change the suspension back to spring forks....so you might be out of luck there
deltadestroyer11 wrote:
I like the air forks on my 14 model (after FC revalved them), the shock too.. they're quite good. But the PSF on the 15 and...
I like the air forks on my 14 model (after FC revalved them), the shock too.. they're quite good. But the PSF on the 15 and 16 model are crazy.. I hear they're really good too after a revalve, but I don't want high speed rebound on the forks and a crazy array of clickers on the shock...too complicated for me. I also think the bike is a little too narrow at the pegs and lower frame..
I had a 14 and 15 had them sorted by Race Tech and thought they were amazing, yes it does take some brains to adjust them correctly for each track, but they are damn good forks
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Money 10/15/2015 7:02pm
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Martin on 450 in sx won't be pretty. Outdoors he will be fast. Coop though will be up front in both his rookie year on 450.
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b.mohler 10/23/2015 8:12am
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Not the greatest pic but looks like all the Yamaha boys will be on yellow bikes...



and one of Gajser's bike







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