KTM....

josh8811 wrote:

I think some of you ladies are missing the point, or have your head in the sand.. It's really only partially about money. KTM, and the...

I think some of you ladies are missing the point, or have your head in the sand.. It's really only partially about money. KTM, and the people that fuel that company love racing, love motorcycles, period..

Someone mentioned earlier how brand loyal people are, and it just supports an endless babble about how sheep-like many humans are.. anyway... silly fuckers...

Like it or not, if the jappers, with all their money and shit don't pony up fuckin soon, KTM is going to absolutely take the fuck over racing dirt bikes... around the entire globe.. I don't give a fuck how many beans we are talking about and how those beans compare to other peoples beans, thats not the point.. There's something to be said for owning any market..

If you're buying a 2016 RM450, you're pretty much an idiot.. Or you think Hashe Suzukimoto is going to give you a high five when you make it to heaven..

Anyway.. Ride whatever the fuck you want,,

On a another note, I finally rode on the 4CS suspension.. They were modified by a local redneck here in Utah (on the cheap) and they actually worked ok..

jhansen510 wrote:

Honda is getting into aviation? They have been into aviation bro! They are into everything. As is Kawi, Yami, Suzuki. KTM is big in MX bikes...

Honda is getting into aviation? They have been into aviation bro! They are into everything. As is Kawi, Yami, Suzuki. KTM is big in MX bikes but they have a lot of ground to make up to catch up to the big 4 brands as a whole. What they have done is nothing short of impressive. I see big things for KTM in the future. I went from a top 10 intermediate rider to a instant top 3 every weekend when I got my KTM 125 in 03/04. Something just clicked for me on that bike and I found confidence I had never had before. Once I won a moto I just suddenly felt like I belonged and it got easier. Hard to say if this would or would not have happened if I stayed on Kawis. I will never know. The human psyche is an amazingly powerful force. I believe it was the confidence more than the bike but the confidence definitely came from feeling like I had the best bike on the line. That was a great few years in moto for me.

machine wrote:

It's interesting in the article i posted that in the last 2 years street sales went from 2% to 40%, that's a huge gain.

overthebars39 wrote:

But then you look at market cap, Honda is almost 54x higher then KTM. They might be big in the offroad industry, but beyond that they...

But then you look at market cap, Honda is almost 54x higher then KTM.
They might be big in the offroad industry, but beyond that they are really small.

kiwifan wrote:

Yep, and the Japanese don't just sell mainly offroad stuff ... Suzuki also sell street bikes, cars and outboards Kawasaki also sell street bikes and make...

Yep, and the Japanese don't just sell mainly offroad stuff ...

Suzuki also sell street bikes, cars and outboards
Kawasaki also sell street bikes and make aviation stuff (helicopters I know of, might be other stuff in that area)
Yamaha also sell outboards and street bikes
Honda also sell cars, street bikes, outboard motors and generators, plus about to get into aviation scene

KTM make low volume mountain bikes and a smallish (compared to main 4) range of street bikes

jhansen510 wrote:

Honda is getting into aviation? They have been into aviation bro! They are into everything. As is Kawi, Yami, Suzuki. KTM is big in MX bikes...

Honda is getting into aviation? They have been into aviation bro! They are into everything. As is Kawi, Yami, Suzuki. KTM is big in MX bikes but they have a lot of ground to make up to catch up to the big 4 brands as a whole. What they have done is nothing short of impressive. I see big things for KTM in the future. I went from a top 10 intermediate rider to a instant top 3 every weekend when I got my KTM 125 in 03/04. Something just clicked for me on that bike and I found confidence I had never had before. Once I won a moto I just suddenly felt like I belonged and it got easier. Hard to say if this would or would not have happened if I stayed on Kawis. I will never know. The human psyche is an amazingly powerful force. I believe it was the confidence more than the bike but the confidence definitely came from feeling like I had the best bike on the line. That was a great few years in moto for me.

overthebars39 wrote:

But then you look at market cap, Honda is almost 54x higher then KTM. They might be big in the offroad industry, but beyond that they...

But then you look at market cap, Honda is almost 54x higher then KTM.
They might be big in the offroad industry, but beyond that they are really small.

kiwifan wrote:

Yep, and the Japanese don't just sell mainly offroad stuff ... Suzuki also sell street bikes, cars and outboards Kawasaki also sell street bikes and make...

Yep, and the Japanese don't just sell mainly offroad stuff ...

Suzuki also sell street bikes, cars and outboards
Kawasaki also sell street bikes and make aviation stuff (helicopters I know of, might be other stuff in that area)
Yamaha also sell outboards and street bikes
Honda also sell cars, street bikes, outboard motors and generators, plus about to get into aviation scene

KTM make low volume mountain bikes and a smallish (compared to main 4) range of street bikes

scott_nz wrote:

kawasaki heavy industries makes trains, boats and bridges, as well as gas turbine plants, aerospace parts, (for Bell Helicopters and Boeing among others, Suzuki is huge...

kawasaki heavy industries makes trains, boats and bridges, as well as gas turbine plants, aerospace parts, (for Bell Helicopters and Boeing among others,

Suzuki is huge in Cars in asia, even tho they have stopped selling cars into North America,

Yamaha build engine parts for Toyota, the Yamaha/Toyota connection goes well past JGR,

these companies are massive, it will be interesting to see where KTM goes on street bikes, the indian part owners are big into street bikes in their home country

keith101 wrote:

If we did an impromptu survey right now, how many of the KTM guys in this thread will need to be on suicide watch when they...

If we did an impromptu survey right now, how many of the KTM guys in this thread will need to be on suicide watch when they wake up from their foggy dream and realize tomorrow morning that Yamaha and Honda took the 450 and 250 World titles this year? LOL!

kiwifan wrote:

Ah good points Scotty Interesting thing about India is they have a cc limit on street bikes (500 I think) ...so KTM's 390 might be very...

Ah good points Scotty

Interesting thing about India is they have a cc limit on street bikes (500 I think) ...so KTM's 390 might be very popular there

kiwifan wrote:

Ah good points Scotty Interesting thing about India is they have a cc limit on street bikes (500 I think) ...so KTM's 390 might be very...

Ah good points Scotty

Interesting thing about India is they have a cc limit on street bikes (500 I think) ...so KTM's 390 might be very popular there

overthebars39 wrote:

Don't think they have a limit, they sell the R1-M there to. But the import taxes on fully build vehicles are just extreme in India. That's...

Don't think they have a limit, they sell the R1-M there to. But the import taxes on fully build vehicles are just extreme in India. That's why most MFG's build factories and outsource assembly work to India. If you want a piece of their market, you have to invest in their economy.

keith101 wrote:

If we did an impromptu survey right now, how many of the KTM guys in this thread will need to be on suicide watch when they...

If we did an impromptu survey right now, how many of the KTM guys in this thread will need to be on suicide watch when they wake up from their foggy dream and realize tomorrow morning that Yamaha and Honda took the 450 and 250 World titles this year? LOL!

jock wrote:

20 years between titles in the 250 class, not a very good strike rate.

No, I don't own a KTM, a Honda actually.

kiwisonfire wrote:

http://www.redmoto.it/pdf/crfenduro_supermoto2015.pdf


So then what are these bikes?

RichardLoots wrote:

KTM is doing allright , championships or not KTM have reported that they have had a sales increase to 88,531 vehicles (+25.6% to prior year) and...

KTM is doing allright , championships or not

KTM have reported that they have had a sales increase to 88,531 vehicles (+25.6% to prior year) and increase in revenue to EUR 515.1 million (+25.5% to prior year) in the first half of 2015.

Sales: 88,531 vehicles / +25.6%
Revenue: EUR 515.1 million / +25.5%
EBIT: EUR 50.3 million / +49.7%
In the first half year 2015 KTM sold 88,531 vehicles worldwide.

Therefore, sales increased by 25.6% compared to prior year. In the first half year, KTM achieved revenue of EUR 515.1 million compared to EUR 410.3 million in prior year.

Increase in EBIT to EUR 50.3 million (+49.7% to prior year) By this significant increase in sales and revenue, KTM could increase EBIT to EUR 50.3 million compared to EUR 33.6 million in prior year. Therefore, KTM achieved an EBIT margin of 9.8% in the first half year 2015.

RichardLoots wrote:

KTM is doing allright , championships or not KTM have reported that they have had a sales increase to 88,531 vehicles (+25.6% to prior year) and...

KTM is doing allright , championships or not

KTM have reported that they have had a sales increase to 88,531 vehicles (+25.6% to prior year) and increase in revenue to EUR 515.1 million (+25.5% to prior year) in the first half of 2015.

Sales: 88,531 vehicles / +25.6%
Revenue: EUR 515.1 million / +25.5%
EBIT: EUR 50.3 million / +49.7%
In the first half year 2015 KTM sold 88,531 vehicles worldwide.

Therefore, sales increased by 25.6% compared to prior year. In the first half year, KTM achieved revenue of EUR 515.1 million compared to EUR 410.3 million in prior year.

Increase in EBIT to EUR 50.3 million (+49.7% to prior year) By this significant increase in sales and revenue, KTM could increase EBIT to EUR 50.3 million compared to EUR 33.6 million in prior year. Therefore, KTM achieved an EBIT margin of 9.8% in the first half year 2015.

kiwifan wrote:

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot...

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases

The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot of sponsorship money for their race teams so they don't have a lot of financial costs there compared to say Honda (who doesn't have a major MX/SX team sponsor in either Europe or USA), if they didn't have a major sponsor then you might see less of a profit

RichardLoots wrote:

KTM is doing allright , championships or not KTM have reported that they have had a sales increase to 88,531 vehicles (+25.6% to prior year) and...

KTM is doing allright , championships or not

KTM have reported that they have had a sales increase to 88,531 vehicles (+25.6% to prior year) and increase in revenue to EUR 515.1 million (+25.5% to prior year) in the first half of 2015.

Sales: 88,531 vehicles / +25.6%
Revenue: EUR 515.1 million / +25.5%
EBIT: EUR 50.3 million / +49.7%
In the first half year 2015 KTM sold 88,531 vehicles worldwide.

Therefore, sales increased by 25.6% compared to prior year. In the first half year, KTM achieved revenue of EUR 515.1 million compared to EUR 410.3 million in prior year.

Increase in EBIT to EUR 50.3 million (+49.7% to prior year) By this significant increase in sales and revenue, KTM could increase EBIT to EUR 50.3 million compared to EUR 33.6 million in prior year. Therefore, KTM achieved an EBIT margin of 9.8% in the first half year 2015.

kiwifan wrote:

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot...

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases

The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot of sponsorship money for their race teams so they don't have a lot of financial costs there compared to say Honda (who doesn't have a major MX/SX team sponsor in either Europe or USA), if they didn't have a major sponsor then you might see less of a profit

Outsider wrote:

fuck off

kiwifan wrote:

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot...

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases

The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot of sponsorship money for their race teams so they don't have a lot of financial costs there compared to say Honda (who doesn't have a major MX/SX team sponsor in either Europe or USA), if they didn't have a major sponsor then you might see less of a profit

kiwifan wrote:

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot...

which is exactly why their stocks have gone up...strong profits/growth = strong stock price increases

The beauty of KTM is that Red Bull pays a lot of sponsorship money for their race teams so they don't have a lot of financial costs there compared to say Honda (who doesn't have a major MX/SX team sponsor in either Europe or USA), if they didn't have a major sponsor then you might see less of a profit

overthebars39 wrote:

Kind of a weird statement. "If they diddn't have X then their profit wouldn't be Y" The profit is the end result of how they manage...

Kind of a weird statement. "If they diddn't have X then their profit wouldn't be Y"
The profit is the end result of how they manage their business. The fact they have a big sponsor for their racing efforts is kinda irrelevant.

KTM focus themselfs purely on niche markets tho. Unlike Honda, their market is waaaaay bigger. And so is their R&D spendings, 6.3 BILLION. Altough, i'm suprised it's 'only' half of what VW spends.