New Yamaha off-road 450

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gpracer36 10/6/2015 2:28pm
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just read the MXA test on the 250fx. It has a 4.5 lbs battery. So, get a new 1.5 lbs battery and save another 3 lbs.
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I can't stand the headlight. It makes the bike look retarded. Dry
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gpracer36 wrote:
just read the MXA test on the 250fx. It has a 4.5 lbs battery. So, get a new 1.5 lbs battery and save another 3 lbs.
WOW! I think KTM is putting the light one in, stock, these days, right?

If it can be under 250 lbs wet (with the lighter battery), and all the off road stuff (kick stand, skid plate, Estart essentials, 18 inch rear wheel...that is very reasonable.
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The two different bikes (YZFX vs. WR) have a different tune to the engines. They also have different suspension set up as the WR is softer. They have different tires. The WR engine is CARB legal with a spark arrestor and you cannot use the GYTR tuner on it like you can the YZFX. WR also has the enduro computer and comes with a radiator fan.

YZFX is the woods/desert racer and WR is the serious dual sport

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endurox 10/6/2015 2:52pm
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Like the silver rims. Wish the tank was bigger and had a 6 speed trans. At least Yamaha is trying. Will big red ever upgrade their x line?
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Titan1 10/6/2015 2:53pm
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Has anyone ridden the 250fx??? How is the wide ratio tranny? Is it "gappy"??? Or did Yamaha do it up right?
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I've ridden one of the WR250F's. I get to ride a lot of different KTM's and I wasn't really impressed which really disappointed me as I used to be all about Yamaha's. Super wide at the frame and your knees grip the bike not your calves. The bike felt a bit heavy and lethargic and I can't say the suspension was better than the WP open chamber EXC forks on the trail. Power wise I guess it was OK for a 250F, but after riding mostly bigger KTM's, it's a bit hard to say other than it didn't feel completely under powered.
NOTE: this was a used traded in model and I hadn't changed a thing so a bit of set would no doubt improve things
GoonSquad250x 10/6/2015 4:13pm
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Titan1 wrote:
Has anyone ridden the 250fx??? How is the wide ratio tranny? Is it "gappy"??? Or did Yamaha do it up right?
I haven't ridden one, but my buddy just got one & says its the best stock bikes hes ever ridden (hes a woods guy like myself). He said the power, gearing & suspension is perfect off the showroom floor. It Seems to be the opinion in all the test & write ups too. I wanted one so bad, but I ended up buying a leftover 350exc a few months ago when I went to go buy a new bike. I may be selling it later this year to get one of these. I'm a big Yamaha fan & love that they are putting some effort into offroad.

I haven't quit gotten comfy on my KTM yet & I have all the bells whistles on it. Maybe in time though...
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Man do they look chubby. It is awesome to see Yamaha throw some effort in off-road. Bigger front brakes, e-start, imprinted graphics....Mays well call it a blue KTM Wink
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Titan1 10/6/2015 5:02pm
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Titan1 wrote:
Has anyone ridden the 250fx??? How is the wide ratio tranny? Is it "gappy"??? Or did Yamaha do it up right?
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I haven't ridden one, but my buddy just got one & says its the best stock bikes hes ever ridden (hes a woods guy like myself)...
I haven't ridden one, but my buddy just got one & says its the best stock bikes hes ever ridden (hes a woods guy like myself). He said the power, gearing & suspension is perfect off the showroom floor. It Seems to be the opinion in all the test & write ups too. I wanted one so bad, but I ended up buying a leftover 350exc a few months ago when I went to go buy a new bike. I may be selling it later this year to get one of these. I'm a big Yamaha fan & love that they are putting some effort into offroad.

I haven't quit gotten comfy on my KTM yet & I have all the bells whistles on it. Maybe in time though...
Thanks for that info! That's good to hear....

That 450 looks like a great bike! (Which only complicates my "which bike should I get" this winter/spring decision...)
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Thanks for that info! That's good to hear.... That 450 looks like a great bike! (Which only complicates my "which bike should I get" this winter/spring...
Thanks for that info! That's good to hear....

That 450 looks like a great bike! (Which only complicates my "which bike should I get" this winter/spring decision...)
No doubt! I wouldn't know which one to get!! They are all awesome bikes. It really boils down to are you a 250 or 450 guy & are you a 100% woods guy or do you like to hit a motocross track once or twice a month in between your woods riding?That should tell you which bike you need right there! (me).
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One Last Comeback wrote:
Wet Weight: 262 lb Unsure

the WR has a wet weight of 271 lb. Nice looking bike, but wow.
Paging Newmann to the white courtesy phone
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Titan1 wrote:
Thanks for that info! That's good to hear.... That 450 looks like a great bike! (Which only complicates my "which bike should I get" this winter/spring...
Thanks for that info! That's good to hear....

That 450 looks like a great bike! (Which only complicates my "which bike should I get" this winter/spring decision...)
Hands down the Yamaha. You can get one of the best forks ever made, or one of the worst. Seems simple to me.
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BobPA 10/6/2015 6:50pm
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MtnBoy wrote:
Hands down the Yamaha. You can get one of the best forks ever made, or one of the worst. Seems simple to me.
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks

Or you could get a chassis proven in to win in all types of terrain with forks that need a bit of massaging to get right....
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motomike137 10/6/2015 7:47pm
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One Last Comeback wrote:
Wet Weight: 262 lb Unsure

the WR has a wet weight of 271 lb. Nice looking bike, but wow.
Not as much more than the KTM as you think. The 450 XC-F is 240 without fuel, it holds 2.5 gallons but with 2 which weighs approx 12 pounds that puts it at 252. Put the lighter Battery in the Yamaha and suddenly it starts getting close.
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motomike137 10/6/2015 7:49pm
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BobPA wrote:
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks Or you could get a chassis proven in to win...
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks

Or you could get a chassis proven in to win in all types of terrain with forks that need a bit of massaging to get right....
"widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time"... really?
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MtnBoy 10/6/2015 7:52pm
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BobPA wrote:
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks Or you could get a chassis proven in to win...
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks

Or you could get a chassis proven in to win in all types of terrain with forks that need a bit of massaging to get right....
Milner made that "wide awkward" bike look pretty good at Six Days.

If it were me, for the riding he's gonna be doing in Utah, the big stable Yamaha is the bike I pick. Especially one with all the goodies and still a bad ass motor.

I'm in on one in a few years when these hit the used market tricked out.

It'd be nice if they would have put even 15 minutes of thought into the kickstand though, that one is a joke. Sticks out WAY to far, dangerous as hell. Needs to be tucked away and preferably have a rubber strap to hold it.
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Titan1 10/6/2015 8:08pm
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BobPA wrote:
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks Or you could get a chassis proven in to win...
You can get one of the widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time......with good forks

Or you could get a chassis proven in to win in all types of terrain with forks that need a bit of massaging to get right....
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Milner made that "wide awkward" bike look pretty good at Six Days. If it were me, for the riding he's gonna be doing in Utah, the...
Milner made that "wide awkward" bike look pretty good at Six Days.

If it were me, for the riding he's gonna be doing in Utah, the big stable Yamaha is the bike I pick. Especially one with all the goodies and still a bad ass motor.

I'm in on one in a few years when these hit the used market tricked out.

It'd be nice if they would have put even 15 minutes of thought into the kickstand though, that one is a joke. Sticks out WAY to far, dangerous as hell. Needs to be tucked away and preferably have a rubber strap to hold it.
I was dead set on a KTM for my next bike, but was completely turned off by the 4cs forks...and they need much more than a "little massaging" to get right...and I'm currently on a YZ450 and LOVE it! I love how stable and planted it is, and I LOVE the suspension (revolved for off road). My only complaints? It runs out of top end in the fast desert stuff (it's not often I need to go over 75mph, so it's not a huge deal, and I could fix it dropping a few teeth on the rear sprocket...but still), no kick stand, and no electric start.

I was planning on picking up a left over 15 450 (maybe, maybe a 250f) this winter/spring...but if this new FX keeps all the things I love about my 450f, AND fixes the minor things I don't like...I may have to wait a few months to save up a few extra grand and buy one.

And I'm 100% off road...probably 90% desert and 10% woods.

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BobPA 10/6/2015 8:11pm
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"widest most awkward feeling bikes of all time"... really?
IMO of course.

No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between my legs...and that is not a good thing.
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IMO of course. No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between...
IMO of course.

No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between my legs...and that is not a good thing.
You need to try a YZ250 2 smoker...that's more along the lines of the infamous "dat ass" between your legs! Ha
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IMO of course. No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between...
IMO of course.

No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between my legs...and that is not a good thing.
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You need to try a YZ250 2 smoker...that's more along the lines of the infamous "dat ass" between your legs! Ha
I have ridden numerous YZ 250's aluminum and steel framed. They honestly feel worse than the the four strokes to me...The seat to bar to peg just feels all wrong, basically the most uncomfortable dirt bikes made...
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gpracer36 10/7/2015 8:02am
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i put the cycra one piece shrouds on my kids 14 yzf250. Seemed to help in the wide ass dept.
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Loved my 09 YZ450F. It was my first Yamaha & won't be my last. That bike felt so planted & handled amazing! I had the DrD radiator lowering kit & the suspension dialed. I just sold it a few weeks ago because I went out & bought a new 350EXC-F. They only reason I didn't get a new YZ/WR is because I'm getting into dualsport/ADV riding, so I wanted a plated dirtbike that was ready to go. I didn't want to wait to get a tag from Idaho & install the dualsport kit. If I would've known they were coming out w/ new WR450's, I would've waited a few more months!! I'm defiantly selling my KTM next year & getting one of these guys!!
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Steadman 10/8/2015 6:11am
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Interesting quote from motorcycle.com for anyone wondering (including myself) why none of the Japanese have street legal dual sport (like the KTM EXC 500) and in this particular case the new WR450F

"Unfortunately, what none of Yamaha’s off-road bikes come with is a license plate, a thing that’s a very big deal to many riders, and a feature we can’t help thinking sells a lot of KTM EXC500s and things. It’s all about the EPA, says a Yamaha spokesman, who claims he doesn’t have a clue how the Europeans do it: Yamaha’s big 450 passes the emissions tests no problem when new, but at the 10,000-mile recheck specified by the EPA, he says it’s a no-go every time.

He adds it’s a self-policing test. Everybody’s on the honor system. Kudos to Yamaha and the other Japanese factories for keeping things honorable, but we’d love to get our hands on a street-going WR450F. In the wake of Volkswagen, we wonder how the Euros do it, too?"

Sooo is KTM taking a gamble here????
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motomike137 10/8/2015 6:35am
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Steadman wrote:
Interesting quote from motorcycle.com for anyone wondering (including myself) why none of the Japanese have street legal dual sport (like the KTM EXC 500) and in...
Interesting quote from motorcycle.com for anyone wondering (including myself) why none of the Japanese have street legal dual sport (like the KTM EXC 500) and in this particular case the new WR450F

"Unfortunately, what none of Yamaha’s off-road bikes come with is a license plate, a thing that’s a very big deal to many riders, and a feature we can’t help thinking sells a lot of KTM EXC500s and things. It’s all about the EPA, says a Yamaha spokesman, who claims he doesn’t have a clue how the Europeans do it: Yamaha’s big 450 passes the emissions tests no problem when new, but at the 10,000-mile recheck specified by the EPA, he says it’s a no-go every time.

He adds it’s a self-policing test. Everybody’s on the honor system. Kudos to Yamaha and the other Japanese factories for keeping things honorable, but we’d love to get our hands on a street-going WR450F. In the wake of Volkswagen, we wonder how the Euros do it, too?"

Sooo is KTM taking a gamble here????
Maybe they collaborated with VW Cool
GeorgiePorgie 10/8/2015 7:01am
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BobPA wrote:
IMO of course. No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between...
IMO of course.

No Yamaha has ever felt good to me. The new 250/450 shrouds remind me of Kim Kardashian's big ol' plastic turd cutter between my legs...and that is not a good thing.
MtnBoy wrote:
You need to try a YZ250 2 smoker...that's more along the lines of the infamous "dat ass" between your legs! Ha
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I have ridden numerous YZ 250's aluminum and steel framed. They honestly feel worse than the the four strokes to me...The seat to bar to peg...
I have ridden numerous YZ 250's aluminum and steel framed. They honestly feel worse than the the four strokes to me...The seat to bar to peg just feels all wrong, basically the most uncomfortable dirt bikes made...
Wow. I feel like the 2 stroke yamis are the best feeling, well planted all around bike. my 2013 yz450 just knifed in corners but the suspension and motor were awesome.

Amazing how subjective bikes are from person to person. It's gotta be hard to make people happy from a manufacturer stand point.


Back to the new FXs...Just seems like the gas tank still isn't enough for these bikes. People are still going to buy aftermarket bigger tanks...
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Steadman 10/8/2015 7:42am
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motomike137 wrote:
Maybe they collaborated with VW Cool
Haha! Those cheeky buggers.
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SweetDaddy 10/8/2015 10:57am
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The WRs have a coolant overflow tank behind the rear number plate; does the FX have one?

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