Dungey on GP tracks/Competition

joeellis wrote:

I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make...

I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make the money they do here. Before anyone fires up the old flame thrower, let me explain.

They have everything they need here. They have their families. They have access to their training facilities. They have their own beds and normal environment. They have food they're accustomed to. Travel is all in this country. I'm sure they are paid better to race the American series. Overall, the tracks probably are better. Better groomed for sure. There is less racing. They don't have to do the Saturday qualifying races. There are more reasons I'm sure.

I'm in no way saying the American series is superior in any way. I'm only stating reasons why top Americans will more than likely never consider going to Europe on a full time basis. I think it is unrealistic for any of us to presume otherwise.

mbha wrote:

This all is of course true, but it's just as troublesome for european riders to go to the US, yet they have because they wanted to...

This all is of course true, but it's just as troublesome for european riders to go to the US, yet they have because they wanted to take on the toughest competition in the world. But there is no natural law saying that the riders in the US has to be better than GP riders every single year for all times and as has happened the last 2-3 years the GP has developed and there are good reasons to think that both the top and width of the field is a little tougher in the GP's right now, so the top rider in the US really can't call himself the fastest or best rider today. There are strong arguments suggesting that he isn't. So unlike most years before, you wanna call yourself number one you have to prove it like RV2 attempted to do. And he did just fine. Actually a little better than I thought and I cannot understand one little piece of those bitching about him beeing unprepared, out of shape or slower than before. heck, he was just seconds from the winner when he crashed and I can issue a hand written guarantee to anyone requesting so that Dungey wouldn't have been there. But he would have been around throughout the whole season and might even a top 3 in the entire championship considering all injuries. Not sure he would have been much higher in the US either had ET, JS7 and TC41 been there right from the start and healthy.

joeellis wrote:

I agree with you whole heartedly, but being the best has to be enough motivation to cause a person to completely uproot not only themselves, but...

I agree with you whole heartedly, but being the best has to be enough motivation to cause a person to completely uproot not only themselves, but their family.

No one can call themselves a true world champion until they have competed against and defeated all the best in the world. I don't see a series in my lifetime that brings together all the best in the world. Some are just not willing to move. This includes almost all American's and some from other parts of the world. Cairoli is one who is content remaining in Europe for example. That is his decision and he certainly has that right. I respect him for that.

Jamie_Munro wrote:

Here are some of his words. Considering he is talking of being a leader in the sport he should read this back to himself while thinking...

Here are some of his words. Considering he is talking of being a leader in the sport he should read this back to himself while thinking about his other comments. He's clearly taking potshots at somebody (I can't imagine who) plus he is taking pots at the other major mx series and it's talent in another question. Way to be an ambassador Ryan, great start mate.


Rx: You’ve mentioned a couple times today you’d like to be a leader for this sport. Explain what you mean by that.

RD: I’ve been in this position before—I think in 2010—and some people might say it came a little easier and I caught some lucky breaks and so forth, but regardless of all that, I was too young to really understand or take hold of the position I was in. So having a second chance to do this, I really want to make a difference and help, whether it’s on the track or having a say with the track or helping the crew or just being a good leader for the kids coming up or being a good ambassador and doing the time with the media—just fulfilling all my obligations as I should. I think a lot of guys don’t take advantage of that position. It’s all about them and when they’re going to be done. That’s all they care about. At a certain point you have to look out for yourself, but you need to look for opportunities to benefit the sport too.

philG wrote:

does 'Ambassador' mean 'person who doesn't race ' ?

hillbilly wrote:

I'd be all mad to if I lived in Europe .knowing it sucks and having to hear it all the time.

philG wrote:

Even when the race is there,they still don't ride.

TripleDigit wrote:

Sounds like Yankee don't want none...

jeffro503 wrote:

My " Anti Euro tone "...haha , LMAO! That's a good one. I've had plenty of really good bench racing talks with plenty of Euro guys...

My " Anti Euro tone "...haha , LMAO! That's a good one. I've had plenty of really good bench racing talks with plenty of Euro guys on here over the years. And the guys who keep a level head and really want to just bench race , I'll do that all day with them. Jamma10 , Presspass , RG1 ( as of late ) Rob , and tons more....a lot of bench racing over the years. Good ones too.

Just because I've been here for 8-9yrs , doesn't mean anything. I'll talk good bench racing with a guy who signed up yesterday. Been watching and trying to keep up with the GP's since the Lackey and Laporte days , and STILL have all the old dirt bike mags in the attic to prove it. It's funny when someone from across the pond says " You don't know jack about the GP's " and then can never back it up in any of their arguments towards me. And again , I don't care that you have only been here 4 months , but in that short amount of time , you can't sit their with a strait face and tell me you know what my posting habits are like.

I'm not here to act superior to anyone , I just want to bench race and keep the conversations as civil as possible.

philG wrote:

Even when the race is there,they still don't ride.

TripleDigit wrote:

Sounds like Yankee don't want none...

2strokerider wrote:

those Yankees definitely don't want none!!! I think what dungey meant to say was (what he really thinks) ' I still have nightmares about herlings and...

those Yankees definitely don't want none!!!

I think what dungey meant to say was (what he really thinks) ' I still have nightmares about herlings and cairoli coming round to lap me on a proper track. If ryan villipoto can't compete over there in gps, on the toughest tracks in the world, what chance do I have? he's smoked my for the last decade. I'd rather stay here and be a big fish in a little pond, than risk damaging my fragile ego by racing gps'

something like that

jeffro503 wrote:

My " Anti Euro tone "...haha , LMAO! That's a good one. I've had plenty of really good bench racing talks with plenty of Euro guys...

My " Anti Euro tone "...haha , LMAO! That's a good one. I've had plenty of really good bench racing talks with plenty of Euro guys on here over the years. And the guys who keep a level head and really want to just bench race , I'll do that all day with them. Jamma10 , Presspass , RG1 ( as of late ) Rob , and tons more....a lot of bench racing over the years. Good ones too.

Just because I've been here for 8-9yrs , doesn't mean anything. I'll talk good bench racing with a guy who signed up yesterday. Been watching and trying to keep up with the GP's since the Lackey and Laporte days , and STILL have all the old dirt bike mags in the attic to prove it. It's funny when someone from across the pond says " You don't know jack about the GP's " and then can never back it up in any of their arguments towards me. And again , I don't care that you have only been here 4 months , but in that short amount of time , you can't sit their with a strait face and tell me you know what my posting habits are like.

I'm not here to act superior to anyone , I just want to bench race and keep the conversations as civil as possible.

PalerBlue wrote:

Re the sentiment of your quoted post , and in particular the last sentence....... Quotes Jefro503 - "But Manny , PhilG and Jose quevro say it's...

Re the sentiment of your quoted post , and in particular the last sentence.......

Quotes Jefro503 -

"But Manny , PhilG and Jose quevro say it's not fair " to them ". Waaahhh! They want to see Dungey ride , right now damn it , waahh!"

and -

"Go eat a big ol' dick ...chap"


My question to you Jeffro, Do you even read what you type? Or is this actually your idea of being civil?
Also any chance of showing us a single instance of anybody saying to you "you don't know jack-shit about G.P.s"?