Roczen's Dad on RCH

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#991 wrote:
Yeah. Just slightly awkward. I'd be pulling a Sicky on Monday for sure Laughing . Confrontation Sux.
RG1 wrote:
:laugh: especially when the confrontation is between the guy who raised you and made you what you are today, and the guys who pay you every...
Laughing especially when the confrontation is between the guy who raised you and made you what you are today, and the guys who pay you every week. Tough call
IWreckALot wrote:
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article. Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go...
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article.

Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go home, and is now crying and being a little bitch?

I still suspect the truth is in the middle somewhere. But Heiko probably wasn't making things any better.
If what he said is even close to the truth. I'd suggest he didn't make it any worse Laughing .
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8/20/2015 7:25am Edited Date/Time 8/20/2015 7:25am
From Cross Magazin

"The new edition of CROSS magazine is not yet at the kiosk but already suggests big waves. The reason is the interview with Father Heiko Roczen- Klepka who tells the background to Kens current season full of problems. Now Ken has responded.

Our subscribers have the September issue since a few days and one of them has a known US- forum Excerpts from the interview with Heiko Klepka without consulting with us and translated provided there online. Quickly got around it like wildfire throughout the media world motocross. Our highly esteemed colleague from the leading US print and online magazine RacerX, talked with Ken and to written an interesting article."
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From Cross Magazin "The new edition of CROSS magazine is not yet at the kiosk but already suggests big waves. The reason is the interview with...
From Cross Magazin

"The new edition of CROSS magazine is not yet at the kiosk but already suggests big waves. The reason is the interview with Father Heiko Roczen- Klepka who tells the background to Kens current season full of problems. Now Ken has responded.

Our subscribers have the September issue since a few days and one of them has a known US- forum Excerpts from the interview with Heiko Klepka without consulting with us and translated provided there online. Quickly got around it like wildfire throughout the media world motocross. Our highly esteemed colleague from the leading US print and online magazine RacerX, talked with Ken and to written an interesting article."
Sounds like Shorty could in trouble Tongue

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IWreckALot wrote:
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article. Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go...
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article.

Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go home, and is now crying and being a little bitch?

I still suspect the truth is in the middle somewhere. But Heiko probably wasn't making things any better.
Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements.
He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a bitch now? Good to know.
8/20/2015 7:36am
after the 3 hours it took me to read this thread (!) theres so much to comment on......

risky strategy if this is a family Roczen tactic ...but one that I think will pay off:

- The ball is now in RCH's court.... be professional and give your star what he needs or end up losing him
- Other teams are now officially (unnofficially) aware that Ken is poachable
- Other teams are now aware of the standards expected....
- Fans are now aware of some of the reasons for the 100 point gap to RD

the only way this wont work out is if Ken is blackballed - but I just cant see that happening.... Ken is a genuine title winner and threat & while the industry is fine employing guys connected with PED's he should be fine

guess the worst thing for Ken is if RCH dissolve halfway through a campaign


that 3 seconds thing though...... even if it is a tenth what does it say about not just the RCH Suzuki but also the factory bikes of the other teams? Seems a wild figure
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#991 wrote:
Who knows? "Ya can't turn Pig shit into Jam (Jelly)". 1st rnd of the series, why risk getting hurt, trying to go fast on a dog...
Who knows?

"Ya can't turn Pig shit into Jam (Jelly)".

1st rnd of the series, why risk getting hurt, trying to go fast on a dog of a bike that's trying too kill you? What normally happens when a person tries to force the pace on a bike they don't feel right on? Normally ends in tears.

I was wondering how someone goes from having such a bad back to reasonable form in a week. If his back really was that bad, wouldn't we have seen more signs of that through the season?
1. That's what he was contracted to do, its his job. (many have ridden bikes that are far worse, I can assure you) 2. He is...
1. That's what he was contracted to do, its his job. (many have ridden bikes that are far worse, I can assure you)

2. He is trying to defend a title.
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Is that fair? Can he even do his job properly if others aren't? [b]Seth[/b]. Especially for you. Is your team likely to win the relay race...
Is that fair? Can he even do his job properly if others aren't?

Seth. Especially for you. Is your team likely to win the relay race if one member of the team drops the baton?

Show me the bloke that's letting the KTM team down ATM. Good luck finding him. (Other than Justin Hill).

Are you gonna push a bike further than it was designed to go if you don't trust it 110%.
Can you go faster on old tires than you can on new ones? If you can, that's not confidence, more blind faith.

What would Vital be without speculation? Informative, but not half as much fun.
Are you referencing me and something I said in another thread totally unrelated?
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IWreckALot wrote:
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article. Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go...
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article.

Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go home, and is now crying and being a little bitch?

I still suspect the truth is in the middle somewhere. But Heiko probably wasn't making things any better.
Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements. He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a...
Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements.
He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a bitch now? Good to know.
Then, what are the reasons? How do you know them?
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1. You have to be an idiot not to see Roczen balanced on supporting his father, and deny it in his statement/interview. Perfectly "worded" i say not to put any blame on Ken.

2. Roczen went unaware/to early for the 2016 KTM bike, if he would have ridden that, he would have stayed with KTM because it kills the Suzuki, in turning now as well. 2015 did not.

3. Supercross is not MX. He tried the bike for Supercross and smooth track, and just hopped the suspension would be better then WP for MX. Not so much, anymore.

4. Anyone riding resonably fast, knows that a few things of balance in the bike, and you can add several seconds a lap, as well as stamina issues. The RCH Suzuki was/is not well suited for a national beaten down MX track. More testing and different suspension is needed. Can other Suzuki riders handle it? Not with the same lap times as Ken. Check Dungey how "off" he was in settings first outdoors.

5. There is absolutely zero relation between being a good MX rider, and a good manager, trainer or mentor. However, people unable to manage there is plenty off, in the RCH team. You can draw that conclusion from just hearing one or two interviews with the members or "owners".

6. Typically statements like this from his dad, can be trusted in the details. What the actual overall fluffy impact is of all details together is also easy to overstate and exaggerate (which i feel he is actually not doing)

7. I do believe Roczen had a difference of 3 seconds, that is nothing on a 2min+ track. typically 3-5sec difference is what you see differ between being confident and a bike setup for your preference, and something slightly off balance. Roczen also had his german suspension guy over when he was at KTM-WP, to sort things out.
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1. That's what he was contracted to do, its his job. (many have ridden bikes that are far worse, I can assure you) 2. He is...
1. That's what he was contracted to do, its his job. (many have ridden bikes that are far worse, I can assure you)

2. He is trying to defend a title.
#991 wrote:
Is that fair? Can he even do his job properly if others aren't? [b]Seth[/b]. Especially for you. Is your team likely to win the relay race...
Is that fair? Can he even do his job properly if others aren't?

Seth. Especially for you. Is your team likely to win the relay race if one member of the team drops the baton?

Show me the bloke that's letting the KTM team down ATM. Good luck finding him. (Other than Justin Hill).

Are you gonna push a bike further than it was designed to go if you don't trust it 110%.
Can you go faster on old tires than you can on new ones? If you can, that's not confidence, more blind faith.

What would Vital be without speculation? Informative, but not half as much fun.
seth505 wrote:
Are you referencing me and something I said in another thread totally unrelated?
Yeah, but how's it unrelated?

Anyway, now you've quoted one of my posts, my day is complete.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article. Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go...
Ken didn't do much damage control in the article.

Anyone suspect that Heiko was a bit of poison to team RCH, got the boot to go home, and is now crying and being a little bitch?

I still suspect the truth is in the middle somewhere. But Heiko probably wasn't making things any better.
Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements. He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a...
Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements.
He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a bitch now? Good to know.
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Then, what are the reasons? How do you know them?
Death in the family. His grandson.
8/20/2015 7:42am Edited Date/Time 8/20/2015 7:53am
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First off - 10 pager easy Secondly - wow, just wow Thirdly - Amazing how Rc could be such a competitor on the bike and seemingly...
First off - 10 pager easy

Secondly - wow, just wow

Thirdly - Amazing how Rc could be such a competitor on the bike and seemingly such a bad team owner
Not surprising. Look at Jordan with the Wizards and Bobcats/Hornets.

Sometimes a very successful/gifted person does not possess what it takes to manage. Their success was based on their ability, often making up for the lack of physical or mental ability from others. In a management position that desire or talent doesn't matter and the "others" matters a lot more.
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#991 wrote:
Is that fair? Can he even do his job properly if others aren't? [b]Seth[/b]. Especially for you. Is your team likely to win the relay race...
Is that fair? Can he even do his job properly if others aren't?

Seth. Especially for you. Is your team likely to win the relay race if one member of the team drops the baton?

Show me the bloke that's letting the KTM team down ATM. Good luck finding him. (Other than Justin Hill).

Are you gonna push a bike further than it was designed to go if you don't trust it 110%.
Can you go faster on old tires than you can on new ones? If you can, that's not confidence, more blind faith.

What would Vital be without speculation? Informative, but not half as much fun.
seth505 wrote:
Are you referencing me and something I said in another thread totally unrelated?
#991 wrote:
Yeah, but how's it unrelated?

Anyway, now you've quoted one of my posts, my day is complete.
Just kind of strange you reference me, 13 pages into a thread, where I never said anything other than "holy HELL" on page 1.

Glad your day brightened up!
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Kens interview at RacerX made everything that much more clusterfucky. I have a sense everything is worse than what Heiko described.
8/20/2015 7:54am Edited Date/Time 8/20/2015 8:00am
kongols wrote:
Kens interview at RacerX made everything that much more clusterfucky. I have a sense everything is worse than what Heiko described.
I'm with keigels on this one. I think stuff is much, much worse.. stuff that prob will never get talked about.
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DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?
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grunkster wrote:
DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?


He was on the 15.5. I believe, he never tried the 16.

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grunkster wrote:
DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?
I don't think they let him, as they already knew he was leaving by that point
8/20/2015 8:08am
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Kens interview at RacerX made everything that much more clusterfucky. I have a sense everything is worse than what Heiko described.
I agree, I have to believe Heiko because there is no way he would say those things without giving it serious thought and there being serious issues within the team. He must have known the repercussions of his interview before he did it, so I believe he did it with good intentions.

I also never really thought that RCH was a serious enough team for Roczen, I figured they would do okay with the suspension for Supercross as they have done it for years, but this is only the team's second outdoor season I believe.

I cannot see how Roczen will stay after this, he's out after this weekend in my opinion.
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grunkster wrote:
DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?
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I don't think they let him, as they already knew he was leaving by that point
Wouldn't you think they would let him try it to show how much they improved it to get him to stay?
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grunkster wrote:
DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?
No.
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Roczen didn't try the new generation KTM. The deal with RCH was done and KTM didn't want to have Roczen riding the new bike.
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8/20/2015 8:15am Edited Date/Time 8/20/2015 8:15am
grunkster wrote:
DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?
RG1 wrote:
I don't think they let him, as they already knew he was leaving by that point
Pretty sure Roger asked Ken to hold off on any decisions until the 16 arrived for the team, but he chose RCH anyway.... then when the bikes came Ken wasn't allowed to touch them
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The german mx magazine "Cross Magazin" just came in the mail and they did a interview with Heiko Klepka on RCH. It was stunning to see...
The german mx magazine "Cross Magazin" just came in the mail and they did a interview with Heiko Klepka on RCH. It was stunning to see what he said... I'll just translate some key things from the interview, I'd have never thought that it was THAT bad. (Sometimes I ran out of translation talent and changed the exact wording, but the key facts are still right)

About the team
"The RCH Racing Team is not a team, but a randomly mixed bunch of self promoters. In this so-called team there is no team spirit, because everybody just works for his own interest. It's about money. There are people on the team, that obviously have no function, but they're getting payed. For example there is Mark Johnson, who was brought in by Carmichael from the Indycar series. This man is just superarrogant and he has no clue about suspensions. That affects the mood of the team and the performance of my boy. It's purely about sponsors and money at RCH, Ken is just a playing ball. I have never experienced something like this in all the GP years."

About the management
"I'm sure Ken would leave the team immediately. But that isn't easy, because his management is also involved with the team. [...] If he violates the contract, he'll have to pay 2'000'000$ fees. Also, his manager Steve Astephen has no clue about the sport. For example, at the beginning of the outdoor season, he told Ken: "Tomac doesn't ride in your league, why do you let him pass you?" When I heard that, my jaw dropped (Original german saying: 'blieb mir die Spucke weg- my spit stayed away). [...]
There is already a little Clique that developed around my boy and success in the sport is only a small part. He has no control, not over the bike and not over the team. Of course Ken noticed this too. Actually, the vibe was gone after 2 months, because the people in the team already tried to part him and Kelly Lumgair. These people never were in the workshop, and Kelly was a real confidante for Ken and it was a really hard decision for Kelly, to go with Suzuki. He gave up the best job in the world then. And now he goes back to KTM- any questions?"

About Ricky Carmichael
"Of course Ricky isn't a bad dude, but as a team chef, he is an insult for Ken Roczen. It's hard to believe, but he shows up a couple of times during the year, waves and lets out some cool patters. You want a tasting sample? 'Everyone has problems with the air forks. We can't make the shock that good, or else it wouldn't work with the fork.' I know that he doesn't even watch Kens races, but he rather drives out with his boat. Other than that, he seems satisfied with how everything is going."

Did they lie to Ken from the beginning on?
I'll shorten it up a bit here: They don't get the suspension working because nobody cooperates with each other, for example, in the workshop they just rebuild the complete bike. The 19th place in the first moto isn't the result of his back, but of a completely unrideable bike(!!!). They didn't even start preparing for Supercross so far.

Roczen searches for solutions himsel
"We tried to clarify that internal, and tried to bring a german suspension specialist, that Ken trusts blindly, into the team. Of course that was rejected. Then we tried to get a stock Suzuki, but ended up buying one ourself. The german suspension guy came and was completely ignored by the team. Ricky knew who he is and why he was here, and just asked if he was spending his vacaction here. We then tested with the stock bike and Ken was 3 seconds (Hell yes, 3 effing seconds!!) faster than with his factory bike. With stock suspension and a stock engine."
Shortened ending: They tried to contact everybody, Geboers, sports boss of Suzuki in Japan, but they couldn't help because RCH is no factory team. Only Suzuki USA offered help by the factory team, but that was rejected by RCH. At the middle of the season, they wanted to test, but RCH said: 'No, we only can next week'. They had their guy, but RCh brought 7, which all didn't help. They were allowed to ride Baggetts suspension later, which RCH worked on after 1 race- with result of Ken not liking it anymore. Then they wanted to see the contract with Showa, if they could get a new one, a 10 year old one or the old one of Baggett. But RCH didn't show it to them. He also said, that if the air forks won't work, they will go back to the traditional forks, which they did, as we all know.

What could've solved the problems?
"At the middle of the season, they should have fired all the incapable people and replaced them with our confidante. Then we would've had a unstoppable Ken Roczen on Suzuki. But because of the arrogance at RCH, only escape remains for Kenny.

So that's pretty much it. I would have never thought that it was THAT bad at RCH... But I guess Heiko didn't lie right here. I'm sorry for all the grammatical mistakes, my English is obviously still not perfect. But I hope you guys can understand everything!
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Thanks for translating that you did a great job better than google translator did for me. But before everyone believes the crap spewing out of Heiko's...
Thanks for translating that you did a great job better than google translator did for me. But before everyone believes the crap spewing out of Heiko's mouth just remember this. Roczen didn't choose to leave KTM they forced him out because of personal internal problems with Heiko. He also convinced his son to drop Baker because Baker wouldn't ;et Heiko be a part of Kenny's training program. Why would the top factory team (as of right now) and the top trainer in the world let go of a rider right after he won a 450 Outdoor National Championship. The answer is Heiko even Kenny booted his father back in his 250F days. So the true issue doesn't seem to be the team or Roczen as a rider but his father. One of my close friends was Hansens mechanic when it was still H&H and he said it was a great team to work for. I have never heard any of their riders complain and yes they do a ton of promoting but that's how they bring in big money to keep another team on the starting line. Hopefully RCH takes this article as a reason to boot Heiko from the team which will be better for Kenny in the long run!
Word on the street is that Donald Trump has sent his team to Duetchland to see if Heiko will join his team and help him with the Hispanic vote. He likes his style
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Notice the money under the soap?
dont trust anyone that points out the soap in a bathroom..
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One of the biggest problems Roczen had this season is a new and improved Ryan Dungey . Sort of lost amongst all the drama.
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grunkster wrote:
DID Ken actually try the 16' KTM before the move or not?! Anyone?
RG1 wrote:
I don't think they let him, as they already knew he was leaving by that point
Wouldn't you think they would let him try it to show how much they improved it to get him to stay?
He had already committed to leaving and then asked to ride the new bike and Roger said no.
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Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements. He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a...
Fuck dude, do a little research before spilling out your biased, ignorant statements.
He went home for reasons bigger than moto. That makes a man a bitch now? Good to know.
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Then, what are the reasons? How do you know them?
#991 wrote:
Death in the family. His grandson.
I hadn't heard that. And that's certainly not something I'd make light of.

But, I find it odd that he made time for a local magazine to smear RCH while being home to handle family business. And it's also not something you'd do if you are welcome around the team. . .

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