Shoutout to Simpson

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Sideways 8/9/2015 5:21am
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Huckster wrote:
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average...
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average lap time was +-6 seconds slower than RD in the second moto and +- 2 seconds in the first. Its not a knock on his performance, I just expected he would be closer in speed.
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Well Lommel and Unadilla are two quite different tracks. I don't think anyone expected him to do as well as he did in Lommel. Im not...
Well Lommel and Unadilla are two quite different tracks. I don't think anyone expected him to do as well as he did in Lommel. Im not sure how far of the pace he is on hardpack in GPs but he's not winning those
He is pretty far off guys like cairoli,desalle, nagl,bobryshev,febvre,paulin on hardpack tracks. Just look at his result all year. Hes been a 9th-6th guy the whole season. He is fast on Lommel though, especially when the top guys are out injured. He actually did better than i thought he would at unadilla. Didnt think he would get a 4th. Shaun is great guy and i wish him all success
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KennyT 8/9/2015 5:44am
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Surprising it didn't take him 4 months to get his "setup" correct
GeorgiePorgie 8/9/2015 5:59am
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That's impressive considering unadilla got real jumpy as of late. And those guys don't like a lot of jumps.
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philG 8/9/2015 6:02am
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Huckster wrote:
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average...
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average lap time was +-6 seconds slower than RD in the second moto and +- 2 seconds in the first. Its not a knock on his performance, I just expected he would be closer in speed.
You expect him to be closer to Dungey , a full time factory rider , with Aldon Baker as a trainer , the might of KTM behind him , on a bike he developed , and has ridden all year , on track he knows like the back of his hand, and he is riding on a clear track , when Simpson's effort in GP's is pretty much like Weston Peicks was before he got the RCH ride, and he shows up and is ONLY 2 secs off, on a bike he never rode , and a track he never saw.

I think Moto 2 he just took his time , and didnt want to risk getting hurt, he made his point in Moto1 , had the pace to run comfortably , and thats what he did.

Lommel is a special place, technique is everything , Simpson has it , Cairoli has it, Paulin has it, Herlings has it and Anstie has it.. everyone else is far enough off to not be threat.

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ATKpilot99 8/9/2015 6:06am
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Huckster wrote:
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average...
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average lap time was +-6 seconds slower than RD in the second moto and +- 2 seconds in the first. Its not a knock on his performance, I just expected he would be closer in speed.
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You expect him to be closer to Dungey , a full time factory rider , with Aldon Baker as a trainer , the might of KTM...
You expect him to be closer to Dungey , a full time factory rider , with Aldon Baker as a trainer , the might of KTM behind him , on a bike he developed , and has ridden all year , on track he knows like the back of his hand, and he is riding on a clear track , when Simpson's effort in GP's is pretty much like Weston Peicks was before he got the RCH ride, and he shows up and is ONLY 2 secs off, on a bike he never rode , and a track he never saw.

I think Moto 2 he just took his time , and didnt want to risk getting hurt, he made his point in Moto1 , had the pace to run comfortably , and thats what he did.

Lommel is a special place, technique is everything , Simpson has it , Cairoli has it, Paulin has it, Herlings has it and Anstie has it.. everyone else is far enough off to not be threat.
In moto 2 the track was also a bit rougher, he may have been a bit more tired and Dungey was being pushed the entire second moto. Dungey was on a trail ride in the first.
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ruskymx 8/9/2015 7:08am
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He was enjoying himself on the Sky Shot in practice.



2strokerider 8/10/2015 4:39am
8/10/2015 4:39am
fair play to shaun, great ride to say he was on a borrowed bike with no time to set it up, track he's never been to before etc- and flying straight over from lommel and having to deal with jet lag etc.

he looked good in the first moto when he was battling with trey. You've got to think after that performance, that if he ever went to the states to ride full time, had time to adjust to things over there and get a bike set up then he would be a podium contender at least....


wonder if he might get offered an outdoors only ride over there at some point? he must have opened a few eyes of a few team owners
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Bigboy69 8/10/2015 1:09pm
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Simpson comes to the great USA and looks like a top pro,, Alessi comes to Europe and looks like a rookie .. oh the irony .. Well done SIMMO
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Brent 8/10/2015 1:23pm
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Why isn't Simpson on the FE in Europe?

Great showing by the kid, he's had a good couple of weeks.
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Sully22 8/10/2015 1:25pm
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The guy killed it as far as I'm concerned....well done, Mr. Simpson, well done.
Jose Espana 8/10/2015 1:28pm
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Huckster wrote:
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average...
Honestly thought after his Lonnel performance that he would do better. Not so much with his results which were solid but with his speed. His average lap time was +-6 seconds slower than RD in the second moto and +- 2 seconds in the first. Its not a knock on his performance, I just expected he would be closer in speed.
So , just to be clear ,

Shaun had good solid results , going 4th overall , but had poor speed , that right ?

What does that say to you about the strength in depth in the AMA nationals ??



scottydogmx 8/10/2015 2:12pm
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Well done Shaun, fantastic ride, you and Unadilla made my trip to NY the best! Smile
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Huckster 8/10/2015 4:20pm
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Jose Espana wrote:
So , just to be clear , Shaun had good solid results , going 4th overall , but had poor speed , that right ? What...
So , just to be clear ,

Shaun had good solid results , going 4th overall , but had poor speed , that right ?

What does that say to you about the strength in depth in the AMA nationals ??



I expected him to be closer in speed. 6+ seconds off the leader in the second moto? It's a great result and IMHO the depth in the Nationals is not very deep this season. I would say it's pretty much the same deal in the GP's as well. Way too many injuries to the top guys in both series and in this particular race bad luck for the #1 and 377 helped Simpson O/A result. He won a GP this season. Outside of Dungey, Barcia and Roczen, I wouldn't expect any of the guys on the line at 'Dilla to be able to go over and win a GP with a full gate. Maybe Canard if he were healthy so I
Expected a GP winner to be faster, yes.
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bsharkey 8/10/2015 4:23pm
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id say both series are pretty even when everyone is healthy in both series. still quite a few guys on both sides who are out, not 100% or just getting back on the bike
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DonM 8/10/2015 4:29pm
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Bigboy69 wrote:
Simpson comes to the great USA and looks like a top pro,, Alessi comes to Europe and looks like a rookie .. oh the irony...
Simpson comes to the great USA and looks like a top pro,, Alessi comes to Europe and looks like a rookie .. oh the irony .. Well done SIMMO
Really comparing Simpson to Alessi??? Alessi could barley do top 20 in the GP's and didn't here this year either...the irony is you're way off base...Simpson did great and did better what all expected...there was also a first turn crash that took out a few contenders....
Jose Espana 8/10/2015 10:39pm
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I expected him to be closer in speed. 6+ seconds off the leader in the second moto? It's a great result and IMHO the depth in...
I expected him to be closer in speed. 6+ seconds off the leader in the second moto? It's a great result and IMHO the depth in the Nationals is not very deep this season. I would say it's pretty much the same deal in the GP's as well. Way too many injuries to the top guys in both series and in this particular race bad luck for the #1 and 377 helped Simpson O/A result. He won a GP this season. Outside of Dungey, Barcia and Roczen, I wouldn't expect any of the guys on the line at 'Dilla to be able to go over and win a GP with a full gate. Maybe Canard if he were healthy so I
Expected a GP winner to be faster, yes.
I think all this bollox about shaun " only getting 4th" because other riders went down is pretty disrespectful to be honest , lets give the lad the credit he is due for that 4th place ride , it was fully deserved .

Its not Shauns fault KR and CP crashed is it ? Shaun could have easily dropped it himself , but guess what ? , he didn,t .

After his win at lommel , there was always going to be extra pressure on him last week end and it would have been easy for him to make a stupid mistake , a bit like RV in his first GP ride , eh !

As far as being 6s a lap off RD in the 2nd moto , thats not really surprising is it ?

Shaun had just raced a GP at lommel , possibly the toughest of the year , then instead of taking time off to prep for the next one , he jumps on a plane fly,s over to the US , and races the National with virtually zero prep .

I expect that during that race the effects of all the travelling , jet lag etc were taking its toll , so it,s not really surprising that he faded in that race is it . Also with RD in a race for the win he would have been pushing hard to the end .


Motocross83 8/10/2015 11:46pm
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Bar perhaps Roczen (maybe Barcia), the riders that finished ahead of Shaun at Unadilla wouldn't have been able to beat him at Lommel. As has already been stated in this thread - deep sand requires a specific technique that's only mastered by a few. And with the number of top GP riders missing this year, along with Shaun of course being a very good sand rider in his own right; the Lommel result wasn't a huge surprise. So all in all using Lommel as a prediction tool for anything related to Unadilla will always be next to useless. Forget Lommel. Use the other GP results, and that's where Unadilla begins to look about right, in fact a bit better than expected.
2strokerider 8/11/2015 12:12am
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Jose Espana wrote:
So , just to be clear , Shaun had good solid results , going 4th overall , but had poor speed , that right ? What...
So , just to be clear ,

Shaun had good solid results , going 4th overall , but had poor speed , that right ?

What does that say to you about the strength in depth in the AMA nationals ??



Huckster wrote:
I expected him to be closer in speed. 6+ seconds off the leader in the second moto? It's a great result and IMHO the depth in...
I expected him to be closer in speed. 6+ seconds off the leader in the second moto? It's a great result and IMHO the depth in the Nationals is not very deep this season. I would say it's pretty much the same deal in the GP's as well. Way too many injuries to the top guys in both series and in this particular race bad luck for the #1 and 377 helped Simpson O/A result. He won a GP this season. Outside of Dungey, Barcia and Roczen, I wouldn't expect any of the guys on the line at 'Dilla to be able to go over and win a GP with a full gate. Maybe Canard if he were healthy so I
Expected a GP winner to be faster, yes.
if he'd had a couple of weeks to set the bike up (or being riding his own bike) then the laptimes would have been closer. Great achievement to just jump on an unfamiliar bike, after flying straight over from lommel and run the pace of the top 4 at Unadilla

dungey was 6 seconds off the lead pace (and nearly got lapped) at the nations at lommel...

I think given the fact shaun had no time to prepare, he did great. It would be interesting to see what he could do if he had a few weeks testing and raced the series full time

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mccread 8/11/2015 12:39am
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Bar perhaps Roczen (maybe Barcia), the riders that finished ahead of Shaun at Unadilla wouldn't have been able to beat him at Lommel. As has already...
Bar perhaps Roczen (maybe Barcia), the riders that finished ahead of Shaun at Unadilla wouldn't have been able to beat him at Lommel. As has already been stated in this thread - deep sand requires a specific technique that's only mastered by a few. And with the number of top GP riders missing this year, along with Shaun of course being a very good sand rider in his own right; the Lommel result wasn't a huge surprise. So all in all using Lommel as a prediction tool for anything related to Unadilla will always be next to useless. Forget Lommel. Use the other GP results, and that's where Unadilla begins to look about right, in fact a bit better than expected.
Exactly. Shaun's best result on hard-pack in mxgp this year is sixth overall and that's with all the injuries. He's a good hard-pack rider and a very good sand rider.

I had him down as 5-10 this weekend depending on his start but he was really impressive in practice to get fifth twice. I think he was a bit tired in that second moto too, understandably.

To get fourth overall in the USA, six days after lommel is pretty impressive. What a week it has been for him, couldn't happen to a nicer guy either.
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I can't help but to feel like our riders are spoiled compared to those guys sometimes. Like someone else mentioned..desire and hunger rule the day.
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Olson 8/11/2015 2:59am
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Very well done but his GP bike is far from stock.

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Huckster 8/11/2015 3:49am
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if he'd had a couple of weeks to set the bike up (or being riding his own bike) then the laptimes would have been closer. Great...
if he'd had a couple of weeks to set the bike up (or being riding his own bike) then the laptimes would have been closer. Great achievement to just jump on an unfamiliar bike, after flying straight over from lommel and run the pace of the top 4 at Unadilla

dungey was 6 seconds off the lead pace (and nearly got lapped) at the nations at lommel...

I think given the fact shaun had no time to prepare, he did great. It would be interesting to see what he could do if he had a few weeks testing and raced the series full time
Yes and I was equally as surprised at Dungey's result at Lommel. No time to prepare? You act like it was his first motocross race ever! He was on a factory bike that has had 100's of hrs of testing. I am pretty confident that they had an idea of settings that were close for Unadilla. i agree he did do great but I just expected him to be a bit closer in speed that's all! Can't understand why that gets everyone's britches in a wad!
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timlake 8/11/2015 4:00am
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Very well done but his GP bike is far from stock. [img]http://cdn.coresites.factorymedia.com/moto_new/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Shaun-Simpson-2015_82A7938.jpg[/img]
Very well done but his GP bike is far from stock.

Far from Factory, too...

Shaun did great - he did himself proud and he's reaping the benefits - more MXGP riders should look at this as a great opportunity in the future.

I wonder if he'll have any help from Roger Decoster at US MXGP... Seems like Roger was really happy with his attitude and performance at 'Dilla.
Jose Espana 8/11/2015 4:36am
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Yes and I was equally as surprised at Dungey's result at Lommel. No time to prepare? You act like it was his first motocross race ever...
Yes and I was equally as surprised at Dungey's result at Lommel. No time to prepare? You act like it was his first motocross race ever! He was on a factory bike that has had 100's of hrs of testing. I am pretty confident that they had an idea of settings that were close for Unadilla. i agree he did do great but I just expected him to be a bit closer in speed that's all! Can't understand why that gets everyone's britches in a wad!
But why exactly did you expect him to be faster than he was ?

Was it because he had just won the last GP ?

If so , that's a pretty naïve way of looking at it .

A GP @ Lommel on Sunday , followed by an AMA National @ Unadilla on the Saturday , that's a fucking tough week by anybodys standard , and I think its pretty obvious why he faded at the end .

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Huckster 8/11/2015 4:43am
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Yes, I realize that a lot of the top GP riders are out just like the Nationals But he just laid wood to everyone at Lommel. I get it's a sand track but it's still a great achievement with the speed of the top GP riders. Call it what you want, It's just my opinion.
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Olson 8/11/2015 4:45am
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Far from Factory, too... Shaun did great - he did himself proud and he's reaping the benefits - more MXGP riders should look at this as...
Far from Factory, too...

Shaun did great - he did himself proud and he's reaping the benefits - more MXGP riders should look at this as a great opportunity in the future.

I wonder if he'll have any help from Roger Decoster at US MXGP... Seems like Roger was really happy with his attitude and performance at 'Dilla.
The engine is from KTM Factory Services and the suspension is from WP Factory Services. That bike is proven to do very well on the circuit. I get it's not full factory but it's very competitive. I doubt his results would differ if he switched to Red Bull KTM.
Jose Espana 8/11/2015 5:01am
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Yes, I realize that a lot of the top GP riders are out just like the Nationals But he just laid wood to everyone at Lommel...
Yes, I realize that a lot of the top GP riders are out just like the Nationals But he just laid wood to everyone at Lommel. I get it's a sand track but it's still a great achievement with the speed of the top GP riders. Call it what you want, It's just my opinion.
I appreciate its just your opinion , and to be fair that's fine , we all have them ,

But ,

I think the point you are missing about Shaun , is that he is a bit of a sand specialist his only GP wins have been in the deep sand , so you are reading way too much into that Lommel performance , when trying to form any expectations about what he could do at a track like Unadilla .

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timlake 8/11/2015 5:26am
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The engine is from KTM Factory Services and the suspension is from WP Factory Services. That bike is proven to do very well on the circuit...
The engine is from KTM Factory Services and the suspension is from WP Factory Services. That bike is proven to do very well on the circuit. I get it's not full factory but it's very competitive. I doubt his results would differ if he switched to Red Bull KTM.
Yes totally - there's some parts that definitely get more love, but it's not just about the bike though, is it.

A full factory rider has to worry about one thing and one thing only. Shaun arranged all of his own travel, accomodation and everything else you have to worry about at a race weekend. You think Dungey is on SkyScanner looking at the cheapest way to fly transatlantic?

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slipdog 8/11/2015 6:03am
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I think he did awesone, but everytime I hear his name I think of this...

"Sampson Simpson, I stick by my story!"

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