The 'Wick replacing Utah next year...

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Edited Date/Time 7/8/2015 4:08pm
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series needs a sand track instead of that Utah SX garbage. The way they were discussing it though it sounds like Utah is done for sure Smile Smile Smile
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ChrisB10 wrote:
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series...
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series needs a sand track instead of that Utah SX garbage. The way they were discussing it though it sounds like Utah is done for sure Smile Smile Smile
Miller Motorsports already announced they are shutting down shortly after the Motocross event, so it's definitely off the schedule next year.
7/7/2015 10:47am
Utah is done because Miller Motorsports Park is closing.

Speaking of Southwick, was Matthes serious about John Dowd set to fill in at MCR for a Canadian sand race?
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7/7/2015 11:20am Edited Date/Time 7/7/2015 11:21am
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
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Utah is done because Miller Motorsports Park is closing. Speaking of Southwick, was Matthes serious about John Dowd set to fill in at MCR for a...
Utah is done because Miller Motorsports Park is closing.

Speaking of Southwick, was Matthes serious about John Dowd set to fill in at MCR for a Canadian sand race?
Is he going to ride the vintage CZ (#1) that he was riding up front at Unadilla a couple weeks back? Fellow vitard wolfy (#9) showing him some love.





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7/7/2015 12:52pm
Thanks for the back story on MMP peelout. Amazing how some events/companies/efforts boil down to the efforts and passion from ONE person. The Namur GP went on for as along as it did because of the passion of one man. This wonderful human being finally tired (age will do that especially in your 70s) of battling the greens so threw in the towel.

In corporate sales a key to success is having a champion at a prospect account but equally important in having a back up champion. Wish Larry and the Namur gentleman had back up champions that could have continued carrying the torch.

While MMP doesn't fit my picture of traditional MX obviously I do recognize it was very unique compared to where the Nationals are normally held. As long as their the exception not the rule I can handle a race (or two worst case scenario) that doesn't fit the traditional MX mold. Qualifier is facility should have the promise of introducing more fans to our sport and/or provides amenities to the traveling circus that is our sport we don't normally enjoy.
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I really wish Baja Acres in Michigan could get a national but understand because it's in the same state as RedBud and Southwick is in a good geographical location that it will never happen.

It sounds good in theory to have 1 or 2 nationals designated to float around to new tracks each year but doesn't make much business sense for the promoter or the track owners.

If they could do that you could rotate in some Texas tracks, Gatorback, Baja Acres, Monster Mountain, Steel City etc... Just dreamin.
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7/7/2015 1:04pm
ChrisB10 wrote:
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series...
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series needs a sand track instead of that Utah SX garbage. The way they were discussing it though it sounds like Utah is done for sure Smile Smile Smile
ML512 wrote:
Miller Motorsports already announced they are shutting down shortly after the Motocross event, so it's definitely off the schedule next year.
I've been seeing news stories of another company/group taking over (MMP leased the land from the county, and the county doesn't want to see it turned into a vacant ghost town and they are looking for buyers), so there is a very good possibility (hopefully...for all the reasons Peelout mentioned above) that happens.

That doesn't mean a national will be back next year...but it would mean good things for motorsports in Utah.

Larry H. Miller was the reason that place existed...his son(s) don't share his love of motorsports nor, in my opinion, his business acumen...I'm honestly worried about the future of the Utah Jazz here, with no Larry Miller at the helm.
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I hope this turns out to be true. It's been rumored for some time that the new track operator, Keith Johnson, has been working hard to get The Wick back on the National series schedule. New England fans love their motorsports and will probably turn out in big numbers to support the return of this event, just don't schedule it for the same weekend as a NASCAR or NHRA event in New Hampshire.
7/7/2015 1:14pm
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sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
Same here, I'm so tired of hearing outdoor tracks supercross..... All of the rounds have a lot of jumps
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7/7/2015 1:31pm
Ramrod wrote:
I really wish Baja Acres in Michigan could get a national but understand because it's in the same state as RedBud and Southwick is in a...
I really wish Baja Acres in Michigan could get a national but understand because it's in the same state as RedBud and Southwick is in a good geographical location that it will never happen.

It sounds good in theory to have 1 or 2 nationals designated to float around to new tracks each year but doesn't make much business sense for the promoter or the track owners.

If they could do that you could rotate in some Texas tracks, Gatorback, Baja Acres, Monster Mountain, Steel City etc... Just dreamin.
Baja yes! That's the dream! It deserves it so much, I personally think it's better than southwick
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7/7/2015 1:36pm
Too weird... I pulled out my 2010 Southwick/Dowd event t-shirt to wear today that I haven't worn in a few years. Then read this. I hope that it happens.
7/7/2015 1:38pm
ChrisB10 wrote:
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series...
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series needs a sand track instead of that Utah SX garbage. The way they were discussing it though it sounds like Utah is done for sure Smile Smile Smile
ML512 wrote:
Miller Motorsports already announced they are shutting down shortly after the Motocross event, so it's definitely off the schedule next year.
Titan1 wrote:
I've been seeing news stories of another company/group taking over (MMP leased the land from the county, and the county doesn't want to see it turned...
I've been seeing news stories of another company/group taking over (MMP leased the land from the county, and the county doesn't want to see it turned into a vacant ghost town and they are looking for buyers), so there is a very good possibility (hopefully...for all the reasons Peelout mentioned above) that happens.

That doesn't mean a national will be back next year...but it would mean good things for motorsports in Utah.

Larry H. Miller was the reason that place existed...his son(s) don't share his love of motorsports nor, in my opinion, his business acumen...I'm honestly worried about the future of the Utah Jazz here, with no Larry Miller at the helm.
Having lived in SLC for 6 years, a jazz hater, and a big nba fan; I can tell you that you shouldn't be worried about the Jazz. They have a hell of a core and will contend for playoffs in the short term, and are 1 piece away from competing for the west long term.

Didn't they turn over control to someone besides the Miller kids anyways? I thought that was the reason MMP is going to shut down? I hope someone does operate MMP, that's a hell of a facilly to just rot away.
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7/7/2015 1:53pm
The Rock wrote:
Thanks for the back story on MMP peelout. Amazing how some events/companies/efforts boil down to the efforts and passion from ONE person. The Namur GP went...
Thanks for the back story on MMP peelout. Amazing how some events/companies/efforts boil down to the efforts and passion from ONE person. The Namur GP went on for as along as it did because of the passion of one man. This wonderful human being finally tired (age will do that especially in your 70s) of battling the greens so threw in the towel.

In corporate sales a key to success is having a champion at a prospect account but equally important in having a back up champion. Wish Larry and the Namur gentleman had back up champions that could have continued carrying the torch.

While MMP doesn't fit my picture of traditional MX obviously I do recognize it was very unique compared to where the Nationals are normally held. As long as their the exception not the rule I can handle a race (or two worst case scenario) that doesn't fit the traditional MX mold. Qualifier is facility should have the promise of introducing more fans to our sport and/or provides amenities to the traveling circus that is our sport we don't normally enjoy.
I've been to Miller many times as a crew member in the old Grand-Am series.

It is, by far, the best racing facility in the United States for race teams. The garages, etc put even some F1 garages I've been in to shame.

I'm not a fan of their outdoor national track, but I'm sure they did the best they could with what they had.

It will be good to see Southwick back on the schedule if that happens for 2016.
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7/7/2015 3:57pm
peelout wrote:
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else hates that SX track.
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7/7/2015 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2015 4:34pm
peelout wrote:
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
ChrisB10 wrote:
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else...
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else hates that SX track.
i'll admit the track was not amazing nor the best on the circuit. but the fact that it was only used twice and the second year was by far better shows that the track had a lot of promise if not for the entire facility shutting down. calling it a supercross track is still idiotic though, so "armchair jockey dork", while admittedly harsh, might not have been too far off the mark.
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7/7/2015 4:03pm
ChrisB10 wrote:
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series...
according to Kenny Watson last night. Matthes asked him to "stamp it"as a definite and Watson would only "half stamp it" so fingers crossed. This series needs a sand track instead of that Utah SX garbage. The way they were discussing it though it sounds like Utah is done for sure Smile Smile Smile
Utah has been done. It's dead.

I hope the replacement isn't Southwick though.

The Southest needs a national.
7/7/2015 5:23pm
oshow wrote:
Utah has been done. It's dead.

I hope the replacement isn't Southwick though.

The Southest needs a national.
True that. What sand tracks are in our area that are capable of holding a national?
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7/7/2015 5:51pm
The UT MX National was a "shit show" its first year. It was fucking horrible. Peelout, watch the race again. Last years, it was a lot better and I am trying to see it this year in person.
7/7/2015 5:55pm
True that. What sand tracks are in our area that are capable of holding a national?
Bithlo? Just kidding, that Seminole Indian Resetvation joint was worthy except for the fact that it was in the middle of nowhere.
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peelout wrote:
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
Might as well enjoy the finale.


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peelout wrote:
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
ChrisB10 wrote:
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else...
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else hates that SX track.
peelout wrote:
i'll admit the track was not amazing nor the best on the circuit. but the fact that it was only used twice and the second year...
i'll admit the track was not amazing nor the best on the circuit. but the fact that it was only used twice and the second year was by far better shows that the track had a lot of promise if not for the entire facility shutting down. calling it a supercross track is still idiotic though, so "armchair jockey dork", while admittedly harsh, might not have been too far off the mark.
You're being a homer. I know it's tough to admit looking at it through Utah colored glasess but the track sucks dude I'm sorry. There were pages and pages on here of how disappointed people were when they had to watch guys moto on that dusty man made SX track. So apparently all the people who hate it and prefer real tracks like Washougal Unadilla Red Bud Budds Creek and Millville are armchair jockeys but you are not ....ok lol.
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7/7/2015 8:49pm
peelout wrote:
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
ChrisB10 wrote:
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else...
I'm an armchair jockey dork because I don't like that sad excuse of an mx track .....sureee. iI's obvious you're just being a homer. Everyone else hates that SX track.
peelout wrote:
i'll admit the track was not amazing nor the best on the circuit. but the fact that it was only used twice and the second year...
i'll admit the track was not amazing nor the best on the circuit. but the fact that it was only used twice and the second year was by far better shows that the track had a lot of promise if not for the entire facility shutting down. calling it a supercross track is still idiotic though, so "armchair jockey dork", while admittedly harsh, might not have been too far off the mark.
I didn't even see it as national caliber ( the track not the facility).

If I could cast a vote other than the wick ( which I love ) it would be swan mx.
7/7/2015 8:58pm Edited Date/Time 7/7/2015 9:12pm
All Southwick needs is some updated seating and it's perfect.
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7/7/2015 9:29pm
peelout wrote:
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are...
sucks overall about Miller Motorsports Park closing their doors, regardless of what the armchair jockey dorks here think it provided great racing all around. there are other tracks on the schedule that are "jump" oriented so to call it a supercross track is idiotic. the facility was top notch as were all the different activities to do out there. my glass company did all the glass on the administration building and Larry's personal car collection museum out there, provided us a lot of work, and to see it go is just a sad deal. Larry's passing was the beginning of the end for a lot of business in Utah and it's sad to see his personal dream of a world class racing facility just get dropped.

that said it will be awesome to see the Wick back on the schedule.

we'll be partying at the Utah national this year like it's 1999.
Some people I know involved in the situation are extremely confident the park is not closing their doors. There's a lot of activity going on right now to ensure that it keeps it going. I'm not too worried about it anymore! With how the Miller family was running it, it's likely going to be better, and much more accessible for the public to use under it's new crew.

Though the MX track will likely go, which is a bummer. More reason to keep making those trips to Glen Helen. Smile
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7/8/2015 10:05am
There is no way the track will shut down. It may have different owners or managers but not even a chance it will close. I would bet the farm on it.
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7/8/2015 10:18am
True that. What sand tracks are in our area that are capable of holding a national?
Matt Walker owns Echeeconee. Not sure if the infrastructure is in place to pull off a national, however.
7/8/2015 11:16am
Been there a few times, not really enough room for a bunch of semis, support vehicles, plus parking for fans. Nice track otherwise.
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7/8/2015 11:32am
This just in:

"Lake Elsinore to replace Utah's Miller Motorsport Park National" That way you guys will see no difference.

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