Garage security system

Edited Date/Time 6/18/2015 6:55am
My best friend's garage was broken into over the weekend. Her and her husband and kids all had 4-wheelers. They were taken, along with some tools.

This makes me want to get some sort of security system for my garage. We have 3 bikes (CR250R, RM85, KX65) and a new JD lawn tractor. All items that could be liquidated quickly.

A quick interweb search shows various security systems with some features I like (remote viewing of pics and videos) and some I don't really care about (home automation like turning on a coffee machine remotely).

Just wondering if anyone here has a smart security system installed in your garage and which features you find to be useful and which features you thought sounded nifty but never really use.

I have a couple fake cameras around my place but I have to wonder if they really fool anyone.

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6/8/2015 8:44am
My dad and I are in the alarm industry. Mostly commercial fire alarm but we do surveillance and security alarms also.

The short version is, it depends on what you want.

Long version is:

You can go a few different directions.

The smart system option, your best bet is a 2GIG product. 2GIG is the manufacturer of the "Go System" that seems to be the most popular currently. Contractors rename it and make it proprietary but it's the same system from company to company. It's actually a really cool system. In the US, most monitoring resellers seem to want between $50 and $85 a month for 5 years but no up front cost for the equipment. That's a long commitment with quite a bit of profit built in. You may have different options in Canada. You could pay for the equipment up front which is around $1,000 to $1,500 depending on what you want and the monitoring contract is roughly $15 to $20 a month. You HAVE to have monitoring to control the alarm remotely, regardless if you want it monitored or not.

The cool features I like about the equipment is you can control whatever you want. The more control you want, the more you pay. So if all you want is door monitors, and window sensors with remote setting access, you'd probably be on the lower end of the cost model. If you start adding cameras and light sensors and whatnot, it starts adding up.

The non smart system option is a good option also if it fits your goals. You can get surveillance cameras and a DVR outside of an alarm company, and be able to record and view footage live, remotely, without the monthly fee. If you bundle it in with the alarm company, you pay for it monthly. Then outside of that, you can get a cheaper non monitored alarm. I'm not a HUGE fan of monitoring. Most of the time, the police prioritize those calls lower since a huge percentage of them are false. Also, if you have a siren on your alarm, and someone breaks in, they're getting the heck out of there. Nobody wants to stick around with the siren going off. . . Plus, I'm anti monthly recurring bills if I can help it.

I'm not sure if any of this is what you were looking for but hopefully it helped. Ask more questions if you have them. If you decide you just want the surveillance equipment without the security, I may be able to help you out.

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6/8/2015 9:12am
You can buy a cheap webcam that can capture photos of the thieves if you have power in the garage and it's close enough to access your home wifi. I picked up a couple to keep an eye on the house when I'm out of town. Even the IR versions that can see in the dark were under a hundred bucks.

If you set them up properly, they'll email you as soon as they go off. With as many pictures, taken as often as you want once they're triggered.
6/8/2015 9:54am
Great information! I appreciate the time that goes into detailed posts.

I am hooking up wifi in the garage anyway so maybe a home-made system would do, and I too am anti monthly recurring bills.

Similar to what they were saying on the podium in this year's SX season, I just can't thank you guys for the information. :^)

I will re-read this all a couple times and put some thought into what I would really want/need and will probably be back with some questions.

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anyone have experience with simpli safe? [url=http://simplisafe.com/better-smarter]http://simplisafe.com[/url] [img]https://simplisafe.com/files/images/hss-smoke-co/complete-package-overlay.jpg[/img]
anyone have experience with simpli safe?

http://simplisafe.com



I was going to ask about this one as they are doing the most advertising lately. Hopefully someone chimes in.
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6/8/2015 6:43pm Edited Date/Time 6/8/2015 6:45pm
I have bike insurance also use this http://www.amazon.com/Kryptonite-330202-Ground-Stronghold-Anchor/dp/B00… with a braided cable for my bike.


Simple safe looks pretty good. I was looking into comcast's home security, but their lack of customer support deterred me.
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6/8/2015 7:42pm
Get a Rottweiler, and feed it once a week. Whatever is left of the thief, can probably be found at Emerg at the local hospital.
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6/8/2015 11:29pm
Rooster wrote:
You can buy a cheap webcam that can capture photos of the thieves if you have power in the garage and it's close enough to access...
You can buy a cheap webcam that can capture photos of the thieves if you have power in the garage and it's close enough to access your home wifi. I picked up a couple to keep an eye on the house when I'm out of town. Even the IR versions that can see in the dark were under a hundred bucks.

If you set them up properly, they'll email you as soon as they go off. With as many pictures, taken as often as you want once they're triggered.
Google "Trail Cam" There are several battery powered, motion activated models to choose from. They can be set from single shots every so many seconds or a video for x amount of time after they're triggered. That and a motion sensor activated flood light would be helpful I would think.
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I've got a massive ground anchor and thick gold standard security chain for my bike. Some thieves broke in to the garage last year and got my new mountain bike and toolbox but left the bike. As a result I put more ground anchors in for all the bikes, installed a door defender so they can't actually open the door without a lot of time and an angle grinder, as well as installing a wireless alarm with motion sensors and a door sensor.

It didn't stop some dropkick literally removing the roof a couple of weeks a go, luckily as soon as he stepped in the alarm went off and he bailed. Never underestimate the levels people will go through, but I'm pretty happy with the safety of stuff. All in all it was pretty cheap as well.

Luckily for me everything was insured and had no drama getting it all replaced. And it was pretty cool when the insurance company tells you that despite you giving them the receipt for your bike they can't get one for that price so give you a couple hundred extra!!
6/9/2015 1:12am
I had some visitors to my garage a few years back. We were looking after some relatives dog, which barked, woke me up and scared the fuckers off. Since then i have done some upgrades. All the bikes have a stainless alarmed disc lock fitted. This will slow them down. The garage has locks on the inside of the roller door and two on the normal door. The garage is remotely connected to the house alarm and i can set it at night. I have real cameras facing the street and and garage. If i am away, the alarm and cameras will trigger if there are visitors. This will send an alert to my mobile phone and i can also check out real time footage to see if its a false alarm or i need to get home fast/ring police.
Im in Oz and dont pay for monitoring as its expensive and the companies only ring you anyway. Any call out is $100 so if you have false alarms it can get pricey. Total cost is about 0.5% of the value of the house which is cheap long term insurance as some of my stuff is worth more sentimentally than monetary.
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Gazza wrote:
I've got a massive ground anchor and thick gold standard security chain for my bike. Some thieves broke in to the garage last year and got...
I've got a massive ground anchor and thick gold standard security chain for my bike. Some thieves broke in to the garage last year and got my new mountain bike and toolbox but left the bike. As a result I put more ground anchors in for all the bikes, installed a door defender so they can't actually open the door without a lot of time and an angle grinder, as well as installing a wireless alarm with motion sensors and a door sensor.

It didn't stop some dropkick literally removing the roof a couple of weeks a go, luckily as soon as he stepped in the alarm went off and he bailed. Never underestimate the levels people will go through, but I'm pretty happy with the safety of stuff. All in all it was pretty cheap as well.

Luckily for me everything was insured and had no drama getting it all replaced. And it was pretty cool when the insurance company tells you that despite you giving them the receipt for your bike they can't get one for that price so give you a couple hundred extra!!
Damn that's commitment to remove the roof to get in. That's why I say a monitoring contract is more of a placebo comforter if you will. It takes the cops about 10 minutes to get to your house if there is an immediate threat. Criminals simply don't stick around if there is a siren going off. That's really all you need.

When my house got broke into, the police said that the only thing more effective than an alarm is a big dog. He said he's never seen a burglar stick around with a dog.
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I prefer the Doberman over Rottweiler. They are a more efficient dog. I have a 135 lber.



I have a few game cams for pics. 9/10 of the time it's someone you know. I'll take care of them cops don't care out where I live. Have a deep hole ready to fill.
6/9/2015 7:51pm
I use motion sensor door bells. Very cheap ....All I want is an early detection system. I dont want any "visitors" knowing that I know they are here. Nor do I want the cops knowing.
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6/9/2015 8:43pm
You could start by not listing the contents of your garage on-line.
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I also read a reddit ama from a burglar after the last attempted break in. His general thing was he only broke in during the day, when if an alarm went off there would not be many people around and the cops would be slow to respond. At night if an alarm goes off you know people are going to hear it so you get the hell outta dodge.

As far as dogs go, he said he just carried round dog treats which most times stopped dogs being aggressive / barking.

The other pointer was laminated glass, if he couldn't break the window on first attempt he wouldn't hang around and keep trying.
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6/10/2015 11:01am
Hide your cameras because more than likely when cameras are visible, the thief(s) will just cover thier faces or hide thier identity with wigs and makeup, if they think no cameras are around they would not hide thier identity so much so they do not look so suspicious. I prefer to catch the thieves instead of just trying to scare them away to rob someone else.

Visible cameras will not deter thiefs, plus the majority of the time your shit is stolen, it's by someone you know or who has had access to your property at one time or another,
6/10/2015 11:28am
I do not think cameras are much of a deterrent. Unless someone is monitoring them 24/7 all they are doing is documenting your robbery. If the thieves are dumb enough not to hide their identity you might have a slim chance of recovering your belongings. Most likely the best option will be good locks, security system, cameras, and a dog. Cover all your bases.
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6/13/2015 1:10am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2015 1:10am
I have ion the home cameras in my house. Luckily I haven't had to use them yet but they work pretty well and are small so you can put them some place where they are harder to see, but they do have some lights on them for the night vision. These cameras detect movement or sound and then they record for 24 seconds. you can change the sensitivity settings and the time length of time they record. They have a very clear picture. The cameras have 24 hours of free cloud storage. You can go and save any of the recordings you want . They have an app so if you are out of town, you can view the cameras in real time or if you get robbed you can go and save the video before the 24 hours runs out and it gets recorded over.

It also lays down and can be mounted on the wall.


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Cameras and alarms may not stop a determined thief, but it's better than nothing. My buddy has a saying that these type of deterrents "keeps the honest crooks away". Basically a criminal of opportunity. A profession wouldn't be stopped by a camera or lock and already knows what he is after and where you keep it.
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My buddies two massive pits were hit with bats and maced and his house emptied in the middle of the day in a residential neighborhood. The police said if the dogs bark and no one tells them to be quiet, they know no one is home. I have eight cameras and you can see them all on your phone. A few hundred bucks on eBay and they were selling three an hour so I figured they were good when I bought it. And four dogs and one in many chambers. Wink
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71Fish wrote:
Cameras and alarms may not stop a determined thief, but it's better than nothing. My buddy has a saying that these type of deterrents "keeps the...
Cameras and alarms may not stop a determined thief, but it's better than nothing. My buddy has a saying that these type of deterrents "keeps the honest crooks away". Basically a criminal of opportunity. A profession wouldn't be stopped by a camera or lock and already knows what he is after and where you keep it.
I agree, I got my cameras because I thought it would give me a better chance at catching the crooks if I ever needed too. The cameras would go off with the alarm and they are stored on the cloud, so as long as the camera gets an image of them, I have a chance at getting them caught.
6/17/2015 5:09am Edited Date/Time 6/17/2015 5:22am
I made a checklist of things to work on based on this thread, and one of the items is preventing the man-door in my garage from getting kicked in.

A steel door frame and dead bolt would probably eliminate the problem BUT I am wondering if there is a cheaper option.

.. such as reinforcing a standard wooden door frame by screwing a piece of steel from top to bottom to provide support for the dead bolt and the lockable knob.

The 18 year old employees at the local hardware store were visibly baffled by my question. So I'm not sure if that's because they are inexperienced or if it's because it was a stupid question. :^)

Can a standard wooden door frame be reinforced like this? I don't care if it looks ugly from inside.
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bsm121 wrote:
You could start by not listing the contents of your garage on-line.
Beat me to it. Be careful what you type on here dude, may sound rude but sadly it's true. You never know who's lurking around here and all it takes is to track down your IP then they'll pinpoint you to your house.
6/17/2015 5:37am
Spydee wrote:
Beat me to it. Be careful what you type on here dude, may sound rude but sadly it's true. You never know who's lurking around here...
Beat me to it. Be careful what you type on here dude, may sound rude but sadly it's true. You never know who's lurking around here and all it takes is to track down your IP then they'll pinpoint you to your house.
I'm not a dude but I am a lot more careful now about hiding my identity than I was when I first starting posting on vital. I told someone my business name, next thing I know they emailed me my address and asked if it was correct. I kept my curtains drawn for a few months after that.
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I made a checklist of things to work on based on this thread, and one of the items is preventing the man-door in my garage from...
I made a checklist of things to work on based on this thread, and one of the items is preventing the man-door in my garage from getting kicked in.

A steel door frame and dead bolt would probably eliminate the problem BUT I am wondering if there is a cheaper option.

.. such as reinforcing a standard wooden door frame by screwing a piece of steel from top to bottom to provide support for the dead bolt and the lockable knob.

The 18 year old employees at the local hardware store were visibly baffled by my question. So I'm not sure if that's because they are inexperienced or if it's because it was a stupid question. :^)

Can a standard wooden door frame be reinforced like this? I don't care if it looks ugly from inside.
Do you have a solid core door for starters? I'm assuming you do but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Most of the time the door jamb is the breaking point in a break in rather than the door itself. Enforcing the door jamb would probably get you more bang for your buck than a steel door or steel reinforced door. Adding a second deadbolt several feet higher or lower than the first would make it really difficult to break through.

What is your idea? Wrap the door with solid steel? Or just use some sort of flat stock/square tube or something to just reinforce the door? You'd probably have to add quite a bit of weight to the door to make it work effectively. I know traditional hung hinges can withstand quite a bit of weight but not sure at what point they start dragging or sagging.

Does the door open to the exterior or interior. If it's to the exterior, you could put another door on the other side of that door that opens to the interior. So they have to break two doors. Lol.
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6/17/2015 6:12am
My windows have a cage on the inside fastened to the window opening studs. I went 3 wide on my door opening studs with 4 inch screws in the hinges and striker plates. I'm sure someone could still break in if they really wanted to but it would take them awhile and make alot of noise doing it.
6/17/2015 7:39am
IWreckALot wrote:
Do you have a solid core door for starters? I'm assuming you do but it doesn't hurt to ask. Most of the time the door jamb...
Do you have a solid core door for starters? I'm assuming you do but it doesn't hurt to ask.

Most of the time the door jamb is the breaking point in a break in rather than the door itself. Enforcing the door jamb would probably get you more bang for your buck than a steel door or steel reinforced door. Adding a second deadbolt several feet higher or lower than the first would make it really difficult to break through.

What is your idea? Wrap the door with solid steel? Or just use some sort of flat stock/square tube or something to just reinforce the door? You'd probably have to add quite a bit of weight to the door to make it work effectively. I know traditional hung hinges can withstand quite a bit of weight but not sure at what point they start dragging or sagging.

Does the door open to the exterior or interior. If it's to the exterior, you could put another door on the other side of that door that opens to the interior. So they have to break two doors. Lol.
You know how when you kick a door in the knob thing pushes through the wooden door frame, cracking it? Really, that inch or so of wood is not very strong.

By reinforcing the door frame I meant maybe an inch wide piece of quarter inch steel ("flat bar"??) on the inside, where the frame would normally break, and for lots of strength have it go from the bottom to the top of the frame on that side. Drilled and screwed to the frame maybe in 10 or 15 spots. With steel screwed to the back of the frame where it would normally break, I don't know how anyone could break it in. The door opens in btw. Hard to explain in words! Hopefully that made a shred of sense.

6/17/2015 7:51am
Forgot to answer some of your questions... it is currently a steel door but I am replacing it with a nicer one since I am re-finishing the exterior of the building soon and the crappy door would look out of place. (I'm also boarding in all 5 bottom floor windows when I re-finish the exterior. In a recent vital thread about garages, everyone liked the idea of windows but for me they are just extra entry points for thieves.)

I guess what you are calling a door jamb, I was calling the door frame.
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6/17/2015 11:42am
Ahh. I've recently gotten into welding so I guess I would probably be putting metal bars on my windows rather than removing the windows. I like having as much natural light as I can while I'm working. But different strokes.

And yes, door jamb=door frame.
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Spydee wrote:
Beat me to it. Be careful what you type on here dude, may sound rude but sadly it's true. You never know who's lurking around here...
Beat me to it. Be careful what you type on here dude, may sound rude but sadly it's true. You never know who's lurking around here and all it takes is to track down your IP then they'll pinpoint you to your house.
I'm not a dude but I am a lot more careful now about hiding my identity than I was when I first starting posting on vital...
I'm not a dude but I am a lot more careful now about hiding my identity than I was when I first starting posting on vital. I told someone my business name, next thing I know they emailed me my address and asked if it was correct. I kept my curtains drawn for a few months after that.
Sorry dude, I mean Stephanie! I just call everyone dude. Grinning

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