Early des nations talk

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6/4/2015 2:11pm
steed 2.0 wrote:
Team Brabant

Jeffrey Herlings
Glenn Coldenhoff
Brian Bogers / Nick Kouwenberg

Smile Wink
I'm with that.

It's even southeast Brabant. They live within a 20 mile radius.

As for who to put on the US 250: I don't understand why all you guys want to put Martin or Webb on the 250 when you can put an experienced guy on the little bike. Bagget and Martin weren't impressive in MXoN. When healthy:

Villopoto
Tomac (or is he still out by then?) 250
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6/4/2015 2:13pm
Jefro98 wrote:
I like that.

And with Pootjes coming thru in a few years team Brabant will be podium contenders soon....
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Freakin' hilarious! Too bad even many dutch people don't even understand that... Wink
6/4/2015 10:21pm
I will hold the quote marks , just for you , my speedway loving friend . I also am a big fan of speedway since my...
I will hold the quote marks , just for you , my speedway loving friend . I also am a big fan of speedway since my parents used to take us watching Belle Vue back in the 70,s , when Peter Collins was in his prime , so we can just agree to disagree .

To be honest , I am a bit more exited about our ( GB ) chances at the nations , we were just a snapped chain away from knocking the mighty US off the podium last year , and provided we can get the same boys back out there this time , I don't see any reason why we cannot go better this time .
lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? Huh

yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see us get on the podium ........ not sure we have the right ingredients for it this year with TS DW & JN all coming back from injury....... they always seem to give a good account of themselves though

Peter Collins at Hyde Road is speedway heaven....... what a legend.......you must have had great times......have you heard the national stadium is currently being built for the Aces? http://nationalspeedwaystadium.tumblr.com/ ............... it was the Rockets for me in the early 80's

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6/4/2015 10:25pm
JB479 wrote:
Australia
Waters/Ferris/Ward or Crawford.


Don't think Reed will race it
im going Waters, Ferris and maybe Jackson Richards

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6/4/2015 10:37pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2015 10:46pm
Aryen wrote:
Freakin' hilarious! Too bad even many dutch people don't even understand that... Wink
of nie, I'm also from the southeast jonguh

Ik ben net aangereden, want ben net afgewerkt Smile Wink
6/4/2015 11:46pm
lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? :huh: yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see...
lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? Huh

yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see us get on the podium ........ not sure we have the right ingredients for it this year with TS DW & JN all coming back from injury....... they always seem to give a good account of themselves though

Peter Collins at Hyde Road is speedway heaven....... what a legend.......you must have had great times......have you heard the national stadium is currently being built for the Aces? http://nationalspeedwaystadium.tumblr.com/ ............... it was the Rockets for me in the early 80's

No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years .

Yeah , Hyde Road was a great place for the speedway in those days , even had a fun fair at the side !

PC was a great rider in a time when UK speedway was in its prime , and had many world class riders. I can always remember the atmosphere was fantastic when PC was up against the likes of Olsen , Mauger , Michanek etc .

He was not renowned for his gating , so that made for some great racing , as he usually had to come from behind. You have probably seen it , but check out the footage of his world title win at Katowice , some great rides there.
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6/4/2015 11:55pm
JB479 wrote:
Australia
Waters/Ferris/Ward or Crawford.


Don't think Reed will race it
stoop wrote:
im going Waters, Ferris and maybe Jackson Richards
or how about Waters, Ferris and kade mosig on the 250
6/5/2015 12:25am
lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? :huh: yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see...
lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? Huh

yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see us get on the podium ........ not sure we have the right ingredients for it this year with TS DW & JN all coming back from injury....... they always seem to give a good account of themselves though

Peter Collins at Hyde Road is speedway heaven....... what a legend.......you must have had great times......have you heard the national stadium is currently being built for the Aces? http://nationalspeedwaystadium.tumblr.com/ ............... it was the Rockets for me in the early 80's

No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years . Yeah , Hyde Road...
No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years .

Yeah , Hyde Road was a great place for the speedway in those days , even had a fun fair at the side !

PC was a great rider in a time when UK speedway was in its prime , and had many world class riders. I can always remember the atmosphere was fantastic when PC was up against the likes of Olsen , Mauger , Michanek etc .

He was not renowned for his gating , so that made for some great racing , as he usually had to come from behind. You have probably seen it , but check out the footage of his world title win at Katowice , some great rides there.
My mistake... and lucky you!

I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great from the back but it made things nailbiting.... British speedway was still great in the 80's but sadly has died a slow steady death ever since .... I dont think the machinery is helping with laydown engines and the new silencers making the bikes on edge and less geared for passing....

do you catch any of the SGP's?
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6/5/2015 12:49am
I say leave RD at home and let somone else go. RD can't get it done!
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6/5/2015 1:11am
Juss wrote:
I say leave RD at home and let somone else go. RD can't get it done!
So who will 'get it done'?
6/5/2015 1:56am
JB479 wrote:
Australia
Waters/Ferris/Ward or Crawford.


Don't think Reed will race it
stoop wrote:
im going Waters, Ferris and maybe Jackson Richards
stoop wrote:
or how about Waters, Ferris and kade mosig on the 250
Mosig? Geez you would have to be a big Mosig supporter to wanna put him in there. Put Ferris on the little bike and run Metty and Waters on the 450s.
6/5/2015 1:59am
My mistake... and lucky you! I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great...
My mistake... and lucky you!

I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great from the back but it made things nailbiting.... British speedway was still great in the 80's but sadly has died a slow steady death ever since .... I dont think the machinery is helping with laydown engines and the new silencers making the bikes on edge and less geared for passing....

do you catch any of the SGP's?
Remember Chris Morton well , was certainly in the group of class riders previously mentioned at that time , and has world titles in pairs and team cup , partnering PC in both events , as you probably know .

As you say , both very exciting riders to watch when coming from behind.

Although , I am not much more than a casual armchair fan these days , I still do keep up with how the SGP series is doing and watch the majority of them when I can . Although we have British interest with Tai Woffinden , I always find myself rooting for Greg Hancock !

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lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? :huh: yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see...
lol now i'm confused ... did you just change your location from states to spain? Huh

yeah last year was agonising & i'd love to see us get on the podium ........ not sure we have the right ingredients for it this year with TS DW & JN all coming back from injury....... they always seem to give a good account of themselves though

Peter Collins at Hyde Road is speedway heaven....... what a legend.......you must have had great times......have you heard the national stadium is currently being built for the Aces? http://nationalspeedwaystadium.tumblr.com/ ............... it was the Rockets for me in the early 80's

No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years . Yeah , Hyde Road...
No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years .

Yeah , Hyde Road was a great place for the speedway in those days , even had a fun fair at the side !

PC was a great rider in a time when UK speedway was in its prime , and had many world class riders. I can always remember the atmosphere was fantastic when PC was up against the likes of Olsen , Mauger , Michanek etc .

He was not renowned for his gating , so that made for some great racing , as he usually had to come from behind. You have probably seen it , but check out the footage of his world title win at Katowice , some great rides there.
My mistake... and lucky you! I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great...
My mistake... and lucky you!

I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great from the back but it made things nailbiting.... British speedway was still great in the 80's but sadly has died a slow steady death ever since .... I dont think the machinery is helping with laydown engines and the new silencers making the bikes on edge and less geared for passing....

do you catch any of the SGP's?
My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris Morton.
Will never forget going down to the front by the track, wondering why everyone was stood high up. First lap and we got well and truely shaled by those great riders!Wink Woohoo Woohoo
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Back to des Nations talk, why don't Team USA get the "old band of 2005" of Ricky Carmichael, Kevin Windham and Ivan Tedesco back together? Enrol all three in Aldon Baker's bootcamp, give them 4 months notice to get back in shape, race fit and I'm sure they could do well, maybe not win it but a retro team would be so cool to see.......................................................................Wink Smile
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6/5/2015 2:20am
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Back to des Nations talk, why don't Team USA get the "old band of 2005" of Ricky Carmichael, Kevin Windham and Ivan Tedesco back together? Enrol...
Back to des Nations talk, why don't Team USA get the "old band of 2005" of Ricky Carmichael, Kevin Windham and Ivan Tedesco back together? Enrol all three in Aldon Baker's bootcamp, give them 4 months notice to get back in shape, race fit and I'm sure they could do well, maybe not win it but a retro team would be so cool to see.......................................................................Wink Smile

That is true, and I think they could still qualify properly. On longer motos, it is tough to say, but for sure speed & talent does not disappear overnight.

I was thinking the same yesterday. JMB at last Vet' MXdN was not that far off Dowd, who is an animal that scored some good points in the Nationals not so long ago. I am sure these riders can still qualify for the Sunday event, the crowd would go bananas !
6/5/2015 2:23am
No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years . Yeah , Hyde Road...
No , not changed the location , I am British , but have lived in Spain for the past 8 years .

Yeah , Hyde Road was a great place for the speedway in those days , even had a fun fair at the side !

PC was a great rider in a time when UK speedway was in its prime , and had many world class riders. I can always remember the atmosphere was fantastic when PC was up against the likes of Olsen , Mauger , Michanek etc .

He was not renowned for his gating , so that made for some great racing , as he usually had to come from behind. You have probably seen it , but check out the footage of his world title win at Katowice , some great rides there.
My mistake... and lucky you! I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great...
My mistake... and lucky you!

I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great from the back but it made things nailbiting.... British speedway was still great in the 80's but sadly has died a slow steady death ever since .... I dont think the machinery is helping with laydown engines and the new silencers making the bikes on edge and less geared for passing....

do you catch any of the SGP's?
robkinuk wrote:
My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris...
My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris Morton.
Will never forget going down to the front by the track, wondering why everyone was stood high up. First lap and we got well and truely shaled by those great riders!Wink Woohoo Woohoo
haha yeah thats a classic mistake at speedway Laughing ......... I almost had my head taken off once by Kenny Carter at The Shay in Halifax as I copied some of the home fans leaning over the fence .... but didnt realise the riders would be coming right up to us..... had to change my pants after that near miss! tbh looking back I can't believe they let fans lean over the fence! clearly health & safety has come a long way in 30 odd years


Chris Morton is the Belle Vue boss now.... makes me feel old!
Greg Hancock is a great guy... a real ambassador for the sport... i'll always root for Greg alongside the Brits not least because it gives me hope that a 45 year old can be world champion Laughing .............. if you have trouble getting hold of the GP's they tend to turn up in full on youtube now

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6/5/2015 2:46am
Juss wrote:
I say leave RD at home and let somone else go. RD can't get it done!
RY4N37 wrote:
So who will 'get it done'?
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that!
The only US team that could win nowadays is this: ET, RV and JS7

The team I'd pick would be RD, JMart and then pick from this list top to bottom:
ET
RV
Canard
Baggett
Barcia
Seely
Anderson
Tickle
Peick

And without ET or RV I predict a 4'th place after: France, Belgium and GB. With any of them racing I predict a third or even a second if everything falls into place. Forget about France. They will win big time.
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6/5/2015 2:56am
Juss wrote:
I say leave RD at home and let somone else go. RD can't get it done!
RY4N37 wrote:
So who will 'get it done'?
mbha wrote:
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that! The only US team that could win nowadays is...
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that!
The only US team that could win nowadays is this: ET, RV and JS7

The team I'd pick would be RD, JMart and then pick from this list top to bottom:
ET
RV
Canard
Baggett
Barcia
Seely
Anderson
Tickle
Peick

And without ET or RV I predict a 4'th place after: France, Belgium and GB. With any of them racing I predict a third or even a second if everything falls into place. Forget about France. They will win big time.
Don't be too sure of that. In Ernée '05 they also had a dream team (Pichon - Tortelli - Vuillemin) and came home second. Ernée is a very beautiful track, but oh so difficult to pass. Everts crashed in the start and never came near a place in the top 5. It wouldn't be the first time the French team cracks because of the pressure of the crowd and the speaker Francis Magnanou. Hope they do good offcourse, but Team USA will be the one to beat, as they are every year.

I hope all Belgian guys are back in shape in that time, so we can keep our record of 19 podiums in 20 years. (hoping top spot offcourse Wink ) Normally it will be the same four teams as last year that will decide who wins (France, Belgium, USA and Great Britain).
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6/5/2015 3:02am
RY4N37 wrote:
So who will 'get it done'?
mbha wrote:
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that! The only US team that could win nowadays is...
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that!
The only US team that could win nowadays is this: ET, RV and JS7

The team I'd pick would be RD, JMart and then pick from this list top to bottom:
ET
RV
Canard
Baggett
Barcia
Seely
Anderson
Tickle
Peick

And without ET or RV I predict a 4'th place after: France, Belgium and GB. With any of them racing I predict a third or even a second if everything falls into place. Forget about France. They will win big time.
DeStouwer wrote:
Don't be too sure of that. In Ernée '05 they also had a dream team (Pichon - Tortelli - Vuillemin) and came home second. Ernée is...
Don't be too sure of that. In Ernée '05 they also had a dream team (Pichon - Tortelli - Vuillemin) and came home second. Ernée is a very beautiful track, but oh so difficult to pass. Everts crashed in the start and never came near a place in the top 5. It wouldn't be the first time the French team cracks because of the pressure of the crowd and the speaker Francis Magnanou. Hope they do good offcourse, but Team USA will be the one to beat, as they are every year.

I hope all Belgian guys are back in shape in that time, so we can keep our record of 19 podiums in 20 years. (hoping top spot offcourse Wink ) Normally it will be the same four teams as last year that will decide who wins (France, Belgium, USA and Great Britain).

Exactly, and I would not count Germany and the Netherlands out either. KR is usually flying at the MXdN, Nagl is capable of winning both motos too, only 1 good result needed. For the Netherlands, Herlings may have a big day, Coldenhoff is sometimes capable of challenging for the win, only 1 good result needed. That is should be fun !
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6/5/2015 3:06am
Aryen wrote:
Freakin' hilarious! Too bad even many dutch people don't even understand that... Wink
steed 2.0 wrote:
of nie, I'm also from the southeast jonguh

Ik ben net aangereden, want ben net afgewerkt Smile Wink
Tongue Wink

Team Brabant dark horse with Herlings Coldenhoff and Bogers! If all are healthy I'm thinking:

1. France
2. Belgium
3. USA
4. Brabant (or the Netherlands for the confused
5. Germany
6. Great Britain
7. Switzerland
8. Australia
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I am tired of losing:

450F

Canard
Dungey

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James "Bubba" aka Stew Stewart
i was thinking about JS7 riding the 250f a few days ago.... get him practicing and setting up the bike now, his body size and riding style suit the 250f... send him over a month before the event to get the track and bike sorted 100%.. when the rest of the team arrive a week before the event, he can help with their bike setup and pass on knowledge of how the track breaks down. makes sense right?

its a toss up between canard and RV.
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mbha wrote:
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that! The only US team that could win nowadays is...
Painful truth. RD is the best at now and he can't get it done, simple as that!
The only US team that could win nowadays is this: ET, RV and JS7

The team I'd pick would be RD, JMart and then pick from this list top to bottom:
ET
RV
Canard
Baggett
Barcia
Seely
Anderson
Tickle
Peick

And without ET or RV I predict a 4'th place after: France, Belgium and GB. With any of them racing I predict a third or even a second if everything falls into place. Forget about France. They will win big time.
That's my point. Without RV and Tomac, Dungey is your best guy. And if you're not gonna send him because he can't get the job done, then who are you hoping to send to do a better job? I don't see anyone better than him.

I wouldn't write the USA off too soon though. They've won with teams that haven't been that good on paper before and at the moment I certainly wouldn't put them behind GBR. We've had a terrible year so far with injuries, there's still time for it to turn around but it's not looking so good for us.

I think it will be: 1. France 2. Belgium 3. USA/Germany
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i was thinking about JS7 riding the 250f a few days ago.... get him practicing and setting up the bike now, his body size and riding...
i was thinking about JS7 riding the 250f a few days ago.... get him practicing and setting up the bike now, his body size and riding style suit the 250f... send him over a month before the event to get the track and bike sorted 100%.. when the rest of the team arrive a week before the event, he can help with their bike setup and pass on knowledge of how the track breaks down. makes sense right?

its a toss up between canard and RV.
I think that is being very hopeful. Your team will be Dungey Martin and the second best placed American 450 rider I would think, unless Canard comes back strong. DeCoster doesn't like to mix things up too much
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6/5/2015 6:56am
I just love the fact we have done 4 pages of DES Nations..... It's nice to be amongst a group of core fans no matter what corner of the globe we live at. Just sayin, as you were....
6/5/2015 7:39am
My mistake... and lucky you! I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great...
My mistake... and lucky you!

I remember his starting skills well.... but he wasn't as slow from the start as Chris Morton..... they were both great from the back but it made things nailbiting.... British speedway was still great in the 80's but sadly has died a slow steady death ever since .... I dont think the machinery is helping with laydown engines and the new silencers making the bikes on edge and less geared for passing....

do you catch any of the SGP's?
robkinuk wrote:
My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris...
My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris Morton.
Will never forget going down to the front by the track, wondering why everyone was stood high up. First lap and we got well and truely shaled by those great riders!Wink Woohoo Woohoo
haha yeah thats a classic mistake at speedway :laugh: ......... I almost had my head taken off once by Kenny Carter at The Shay in Halifax...
haha yeah thats a classic mistake at speedway Laughing ......... I almost had my head taken off once by Kenny Carter at The Shay in Halifax as I copied some of the home fans leaning over the fence .... but didnt realise the riders would be coming right up to us..... had to change my pants after that near miss! tbh looking back I can't believe they let fans lean over the fence! clearly health & safety has come a long way in 30 odd years


Chris Morton is the Belle Vue boss now.... makes me feel old!
Greg Hancock is a great guy... a real ambassador for the sport... i'll always root for Greg alongside the Brits not least because it gives me hope that a 45 year old can be world champion Laughing .............. if you have trouble getting hold of the GP's they tend to turn up in full on youtube now

Olsen, Mauger, Michanek....jeez how old are you guys?I remember these guys only from Black/white pictures Blink

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6/5/2015 8:35am
I think it will end up being Dungey , Barcia and martin.
6/5/2015 11:00am
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My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris...
My uncle took us to see Belle Vue Speedway, Hyde Road, Manchester, back in the hey days of Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen, Peter Collins and Chris Morton.
Will never forget going down to the front by the track, wondering why everyone was stood high up. First lap and we got well and truely shaled by those great riders!Wink Woohoo Woohoo
haha yeah thats a classic mistake at speedway :laugh: ......... I almost had my head taken off once by Kenny Carter at The Shay in Halifax...
haha yeah thats a classic mistake at speedway Laughing ......... I almost had my head taken off once by Kenny Carter at The Shay in Halifax as I copied some of the home fans leaning over the fence .... but didnt realise the riders would be coming right up to us..... had to change my pants after that near miss! tbh looking back I can't believe they let fans lean over the fence! clearly health & safety has come a long way in 30 odd years


Chris Morton is the Belle Vue boss now.... makes me feel old!
Greg Hancock is a great guy... a real ambassador for the sport... i'll always root for Greg alongside the Brits not least because it gives me hope that a 45 year old can be world champion Laughing .............. if you have trouble getting hold of the GP's they tend to turn up in full on youtube now

Olsen, Mauger, Michanek....jeez how old are you guys?I remember these guys only from Black/white pictures Blink

black & white photos bloody cheek Laughing
As long as Egon Muller doesnt start singing i'm happy Wink
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6/5/2015 11:05am
I have a picture somewhere of me sat on Ivan Mauger's gold bike, aged 9 ish , at Brandon , at Nigel Boocock's testemonial.
6/5/2015 11:38am
Oh, that was the golden age of speedway, right? I heard about massive crowds at Wembley during the world finals in the 70's...As an east german kid I was at the paddock fence at the golden helmet race in Pardubice the whole weekend every year to get a sneakpeak at the stars. good times
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So let me get this straight. Some of you want to take js7. Who has not raced in over a year. And put him on a 250f a bike he has never raced . Send him over a month before so he can help set up the other riders bikes ? Something that is well known that James is not good at setting up a bike . This sounds perfect

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