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If flagger overhead is an issue; who is footing the bill to have WADA involved?
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-eagle- wrote:
If flagger overhead is an issue; who is footing the bill to have WADA involved?
The expense is not an issue. It's just something they don't want to take on.

Why pay for something you get for free???
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moco 6/4/2015 6:57am
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All flaggers should be issued adderal and problem solved.
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moco wrote:
All flaggers should be issued adderal and problem solved.
Huh? Sorry, i wasn't paying attention.

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GeorgiePorgie 6/4/2015 7:18am
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Could you imagine a riders Union demanding better flaggers? Omg. Then someone would have to figure out how to fund it.
aFACEdismembered 6/4/2015 7:43am
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Could you imagine a riders Union demanding better flaggers? Omg. Then someone would have to figure out how to fund it.
People like me will flag for free and see it as a service to the community. Giving back to a sport that has given me so much

Volunteer work. Give the flaggers exclusive access to something before or after the race. There's a lot of ways to sweeten the deal.
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moco wrote:
All flaggers should be issued adderal and problem solved.
Remember it only enhances performance if you don't have a piece of paper on file. So if they have a tue its pointless.

IV's between motos should help out though.

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Better flaggers isn't going to do a damn thing when many riders completely ignore them. Seen it many times at Washougal National and even injuries from it. I've helped out before and can't count the times I've wanted to take a swing at a rider with the flag...................Two sides to it...........
scott_nz 6/4/2015 11:34am
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Tracktor wrote:
Better flaggers isn't going to do a damn thing when many riders completely ignore them. Seen it many times at Washougal National and even injuries from...
Better flaggers isn't going to do a damn thing when many riders completely ignore them. Seen it many times at Washougal National and even injuries from it. I've helped out before and can't count the times I've wanted to take a swing at a rider with the flag...................Two sides to it...........
agreed, some people have complained about the red cross "no Jump" flag being used to much as well, alot of them time you see the guys at full race pace though yellow flags,
BornA'Lil2Slow 6/4/2015 1:31pm
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Guys, its unrealistic to have a crew of at least 20 full time flaggers, pay for room, board, transportation, airfare and insurance as well as a salary. The cost would be substancial.

plus, a full time crew wont know the track and its tendency trouble spots anywhere near as well as a local crew. IMO that's the track owners job and part of his expense to host a professional race! The days of grabbing jethro, tossing him a flag, and taking him to a corner for 4 hours is bullshit. seriously. local race, fine, you have to use what you can get. Professional race, this one spot can literally kill someone because of incompetence. It has been an issue forever. Just part of the sport.... can anyone disagree it shouldn't be?
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Detroit Dick wrote:
Mr Hill's concern about losing his credentials for even me mentioning a rider's union shows just how f@cked up this country has become. Don't you dare...
Mr Hill's concern about losing his credentials for even me mentioning a rider's union shows just how f@cked up this country has become. Don't you dare oppose the will of Big Bidness!!!!
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As an outsider, this is how I see it. I don't understand why is seems that most Americans are so against unions. How are they a...
As an outsider, this is how I see it. I don't understand why is seems that most Americans are so against unions. How are they a bad thing? Even in regular jobs (not mx), unions protect workers' rights. Why would the workers dislike them?
Everything employee unions were founded on are now federal law. There is no need for a union to protect the worker anymore. All unions do now is sit at a bargaining table and slowly bankrupt the company they have workers in.

They block pay raises if it isnt across the board for everyone. Ive witnessed it, thats a fact. They charge back dues to employees while on strike, causing a burden on the workers they represent when they are allowed to work again.

Unions are all about the money now. Thinly veiled as "protecting the worker." Publc employee unions are the absolute worst. Cant fire anyone for anything. Its a racket. One that sorely needs to go the way of the horse and buggy.
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Tracktor wrote:
Better flaggers isn't going to do a damn thing when many riders completely ignore them. Seen it many times at Washougal National and even injuries from...
Better flaggers isn't going to do a damn thing when many riders completely ignore them. Seen it many times at Washougal National and even injuries from it. I've helped out before and can't count the times I've wanted to take a swing at a rider with the flag...................Two sides to it...........
The flagger instructed justin TOWARDS the bike... I understand what you are saying but that wasnt the case here. Just shitty flagging by most likely a rookie flagger
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olympiamann 6/6/2015 11:49pm
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I didn't think I had it but I just realized that I had my go pro running when Hill went over the bars and all that went down ..I was up on the hill by the fence...Its good footage but not very close. I will try to get it posted
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2nd and 3rd paragraph UNFORTUNATELY are so true. A major problem is the yellow flag being displayed all to often (as per rules) for a rider...
2nd and 3rd paragraph UNFORTUNATELY are so true.
A major problem is the yellow flag being displayed all to often (as per rules) for a rider stalled or "dropped it" in a perfectly visible 180° corner which isn't needed. Now put a jump in front of these said corners and you can see where this lack of observing the caution flag comes from as well as whe are dealing with under developed young full of spunk home schooled brains here. Let's not throw these flagers under the bus there here to help the sport how about some education or real penalties for riders who haven't observed the caution flag then watch there amazing observation powers kick in. I also bet that the majority of these top rides who's parents who bitch probably have never put there hand up to volunteer for flag, there the ones who sit in there cozy pit area and ignore the frequent calls for volunteers
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Squirrel nuts is bang on.

More fitness tips please....
It's all technique bro like hand milking a cow
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Zracer 6/7/2015 7:17am
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Detroit Dick wrote:
Mr Hill's concern about losing his credentials for even me mentioning a rider's union shows just how f@cked up this country has become. Don't you dare...
Mr Hill's concern about losing his credentials for even me mentioning a rider's union shows just how f@cked up this country has become. Don't you dare oppose the will of Big Bidness!!!!
Bosco wrote:
As an outsider, this is how I see it. I don't understand why is seems that most Americans are so against unions. How are they a...
As an outsider, this is how I see it. I don't understand why is seems that most Americans are so against unions. How are they a bad thing? Even in regular jobs (not mx), unions protect workers' rights. Why would the workers dislike them?
Dtat720 wrote:
Everything employee unions were founded on are now federal law. There is no need for a union to protect the worker anymore. All unions do now...
Everything employee unions were founded on are now federal law. There is no need for a union to protect the worker anymore. All unions do now is sit at a bargaining table and slowly bankrupt the company they have workers in.

They block pay raises if it isnt across the board for everyone. Ive witnessed it, thats a fact. They charge back dues to employees while on strike, causing a burden on the workers they represent when they are allowed to work again.

Unions are all about the money now. Thinly veiled as "protecting the worker." Publc employee unions are the absolute worst. Cant fire anyone for anything. Its a racket. One that sorely needs to go the way of the horse and buggy.
And this is what brainwashed looks like ..... All that union history coming to you from the great state of Mississippi, a known hotbed of union power and control.
Craig_Lambrecht 6/7/2015 8:55am
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RPM68 wrote:
we need red lights on blind corners like supercross triples. God forbid it cost the track money to make riders safe.
huck wrote:
Yeah, because nobody gets hurt on SX triples anymore, with the red lights there.....
slipdog wrote:
What? No. I haven't heard that! I've seen Villopoto safely jump the triples under a red light several times in the past few years without hurting...
What? No. I haven't heard that!

I've seen Villopoto safely jump the triples under a red light several times in the past few years without hurting anyone.
:-O
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Tradmark 6/7/2015 11:21am
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Yup. The days of looking out for workers are long long gone. Thats a side motivation now
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Dtat720 6/7/2015 1:07pm
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Bosco wrote:
As an outsider, this is how I see it. I don't understand why is seems that most Americans are so against unions. How are they a...
As an outsider, this is how I see it. I don't understand why is seems that most Americans are so against unions. How are they a bad thing? Even in regular jobs (not mx), unions protect workers' rights. Why would the workers dislike them?
Dtat720 wrote:
Everything employee unions were founded on are now federal law. There is no need for a union to protect the worker anymore. All unions do now...
Everything employee unions were founded on are now federal law. There is no need for a union to protect the worker anymore. All unions do now is sit at a bargaining table and slowly bankrupt the company they have workers in.

They block pay raises if it isnt across the board for everyone. Ive witnessed it, thats a fact. They charge back dues to employees while on strike, causing a burden on the workers they represent when they are allowed to work again.

Unions are all about the money now. Thinly veiled as "protecting the worker." Publc employee unions are the absolute worst. Cant fire anyone for anything. Its a racket. One that sorely needs to go the way of the horse and buggy.
Zracer wrote:
And this is what brainwashed looks like ..... All that union history coming to you from the great state of Mississippi, a known hotbed of union...
And this is what brainwashed looks like ..... All that union history coming to you from the great state of Mississippi, a known hotbed of union power and control.
That would be a bit more accurate if i were actually from Mississippi. Not having moved here from another state. Im from a union state. They are bullshit now. And here in MS, we have union shops. Well, had... All but one have shut down because they cant compete. We are non union. We have a few former union guys who always say, had i known non union shops before i went to a union shop.... One of them being from Chicago.. Left a union job while striking. Came here to work for us. 19 years later, still here. And he still gets letters from his former union demanding back dues. Again, unions are bullshit, all for the money and the union bosses. Employees are pawns to them. Bargaining chips

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One Last Comeback 6/7/2015 2:21pm
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I don't think the history of labor unions has much to do with a pro riders union. We're not talking Teamsters here.

I am surprised one doesn't exist, but over time I have seen the momentum usually ends pretty quickly. I remember when Stanton was trying to do one when he was racing. It was over all the same old crap- money, safety, tracks etc.
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Dtat720 6/7/2015 2:55pm
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Pro bmx'ers staged a "roll out" a few years ago at a UCI cat 5 national. Over payouts. USABMX was at the table the next week and rectifed the situation. Low payouts, delays on actually paying the payouts.. One thing they made the pro racers aware of and reminded them about, they are not employees of the sanctioning body. They are professionals racing under a license/ "contract." It is not the sanctioning body's responsibility to provide salary worthy payouts. It is the riders responsibility. Same goes for sx/mx. Safety, that is the sanctions responsibility.
But i dont see pro sx/mx racers wanting to form a union over track safety....
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Dtat720 wrote:
Pro bmx'ers staged a "roll out" a few years ago at a UCI cat 5 national. Over payouts. USABMX was at the table the next week...
Pro bmx'ers staged a "roll out" a few years ago at a UCI cat 5 national. Over payouts. USABMX was at the table the next week and rectifed the situation. Low payouts, delays on actually paying the payouts.. One thing they made the pro racers aware of and reminded them about, they are not employees of the sanctioning body. They are professionals racing under a license/ "contract." It is not the sanctioning body's responsibility to provide salary worthy payouts. It is the riders responsibility. Same goes for sx/mx. Safety, that is the sanctions responsibility.
But i dont see pro sx/mx racers wanting to form a union over track safety....
I'm not sure you have this right, The reason the riders were mad at the UCI was the purse was so low it didn't cover expenses and it was the massive Supercross track compared to the USABMX purse was much better with no international travel not to mention the Supercross tracks are 10 times more dangerous.
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BigDaddyG 6/8/2015 8:00am
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Go Pro is a series sponser so they get things like "The Gopro staring gate" ,etc.... as well as the rights for broadcasting the video. But they don't sponser Chad and other riders. Chad and other non- GoPro riders should be allowed to wear whatever camera they want. It's a tool for learning the track and watching video between motos, etc.
As long as that video isn't used for broadcasting the race on network tv then it shouldn't matter what camera a rider wears.
That would be like Monster not allowing Red Bull, Rockstar, 5150, etc.. race supercross.
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Dtat720 6/8/2015 8:06am
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Dtat720 wrote:
Pro bmx'ers staged a "roll out" a few years ago at a UCI cat 5 national. Over payouts. USABMX was at the table the next week...
Pro bmx'ers staged a "roll out" a few years ago at a UCI cat 5 national. Over payouts. USABMX was at the table the next week and rectifed the situation. Low payouts, delays on actually paying the payouts.. One thing they made the pro racers aware of and reminded them about, they are not employees of the sanctioning body. They are professionals racing under a license/ "contract." It is not the sanctioning body's responsibility to provide salary worthy payouts. It is the riders responsibility. Same goes for sx/mx. Safety, that is the sanctions responsibility.
But i dont see pro sx/mx racers wanting to form a union over track safety....
500guy wrote:
I'm not sure you have this right, The reason the riders were mad at the UCI was the purse was so low it didn't cover expenses...
I'm not sure you have this right, The reason the riders were mad at the UCI was the purse was so low it didn't cover expenses and it was the massive Supercross track compared to the USABMX purse was much better with no international travel not to mention the Supercross tracks are 10 times more dangerous.
I have it right. I was there, i sponsored one of the riders and had 2 others on prototype parts. Same as this years dixie nationals with the a-pros, they staged a roll out and refused to race their mains due to payouts being lower than what was advertised pre-season. Caldwell was suspended after the dixie protest for walking on the track without a helmet.

I think i get what you are referring to, that was a different situation all together. I was referring to a usabmx national that was a uci race, not the uci sx they protested over. You had it right, different races though.
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Dtat720 wrote:
I have it right. I was there, i sponsored one of the riders and had 2 others on prototype parts. Same as this years dixie nationals...
I have it right. I was there, i sponsored one of the riders and had 2 others on prototype parts. Same as this years dixie nationals with the a-pros, they staged a roll out and refused to race their mains due to payouts being lower than what was advertised pre-season. Caldwell was suspended after the dixie protest for walking on the track without a helmet.

I think i get what you are referring to, that was a different situation all together. I was referring to a usabmx national that was a uci race, not the uci sx they protested over. You had it right, different races though.
Right on, I haven't been up on the BMX much.

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