Early des nations talk

Gollob's Steel Shoe 6/3/2015 1:59am
6/3/2015 1:59am
tbh aside from France it is still the States who have the strength in depth...... the others only need one or two injuries and they are shafted.....

France:
Febvre
Paulin/Frossard/Charlier/Boog/Pourcell
Tixier/Ferrandis/Musquin

Germany:
Roczen
Nagl/Ullrich
Jacobi

Belgium:
Desalle
Strijbos/Van Horebeek/De Dycker
Lieber/Van Donninck/Getteman

Britain:
Simpson
Searle/Wilson/Nicholls
Anstie/Pocock/Sterry

Holland:
Coldenhoff
Gijsbertsen
Herlings/Bogers

Italy:
Cairoli
Philippaerts/Guarneri/Lupino/De Bortoli
Monticelli

Australia:
Waters
Ferris/Reed/Metcalfe/Moss
250?

Russia:
Bobryshev
Mikhaylov/
Tonkov/Brylyakov/Guryev/

USA:
Dungey
Villopoto/Baggett/Barcia/Peick/Tickle/Anderson/Nicoletti/Brayton/Seely/Alessi
Martin/Webb/Cianciarulo/Nelson/Bogle/Hill/Savatgy/Craig/Martin/McElrath


the last couple of years may have gone against but the numbers are always there for the US
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J.sweer....
Gollob's Steel Shoe 6/3/2015 2:14am
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yeah .... although all 3 are on 250's which doesnt work........ they could have a team of contenders over the next few years though
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Team Brabant

Jeffrey Herlings
Glenn Coldenhoff
Brian Bogers / Nick Kouwenberg

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struth 6/3/2015 2:19am
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struth wrote:
SWISS
Vg 92
Tonus
J.sweer....
Gollob's Steel Shoe wrote:
yeah .... although all 3 are on 250's which doesnt work........ they could have a team of contenders over the next few years though
Only need one to move up to 450 for mxdn,
N I think jvh will ride the 250 n dessale n strijbos 450
Gollob's Steel Shoe 6/3/2015 2:24am
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steed 2.0 wrote:
Team Brabant

Jeffrey Herlings
Glenn Coldenhoff
Brian Bogers / Nick Kouwenberg

Smile Wink
you think Herlings will go 450? ....i'd love to see that...... seems like it would be risking a hat full of 250 points though


.........that's true Struth.... wouldnt be the first time we've seen someone do well with it either
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I think the age rule of 23 for MX2 doesn't count (anymore) for MXoN. That why last year Italy's team was Guarneri - Cairoli - Philippaerts. This opens a lot of opportunities for some European countries, who don't have such a deep pond to fish in.

I think these are the best possible team line ups (when everyone is healthy):

USA: Dungey - J. Martin - Villopoto
France: Paulin - Tixier / Musquin - Febvre
Belgium: Desalle - Van Horebeek/Lieber - Strijbos/ Van Horebeek / De Dycker (depends on Lieber's form, and Van Horebeek could race MX2 as the Yam proves to be friggin' fast))
Great Britain: Searle - Wilson / Anstie - Simpson
Italy: Cairoli - Lupino - Philippaerts / Guarneri
Germany: Roczen - Jacobi (suprised me a little so far) - Nagl
Switzerland: Guillod (as he has to move up next year) - Seewer - Tonus
Netherlands: Coldenhoff - Bogers - Herlings

These teams are the ones who can win or get a podium.
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Gollob's Steel Shoe wrote:
you think Herlings will go 450? ....i'd love to see that...... seems like it would be risking a hat full of 250 points though .........that's true...
you think Herlings will go 450? ....i'd love to see that...... seems like it would be risking a hat full of 250 points though


.........that's true Struth.... wouldnt be the first time we've seen someone do well with it either
it's too early "Fingers crossed" hope they all stay safe and sound
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Jefro98 6/3/2015 2:34am
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steed 2.0 wrote:
Team Brabant

Jeffrey Herlings
Glenn Coldenhoff
Brian Bogers / Nick Kouwenberg

Smile Wink
I like that.

And with Pootjes coming thru in a few years team Brabant will be podium contenders soon....
Gollob's Steel Shoe 6/3/2015 2:42am
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Gollob's Steel Shoe wrote:
you think Herlings will go 450? ....i'd love to see that...... seems like it would be risking a hat full of 250 points though .........that's true...
you think Herlings will go 450? ....i'd love to see that...... seems like it would be risking a hat full of 250 points though


.........that's true Struth.... wouldnt be the first time we've seen someone do well with it either
steed 2.0 wrote:
it's too early "Fingers crossed" hope they all stay safe and sound
for sure it is................ my post was illustrating more that team USA dont have as much to worry about as the others when it comes to covering injury

fingers crossed the teams that are put out end up being as strong as they could be

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struth 6/3/2015 2:51am
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Gollob's Steel Shoe wrote:
for sure it is................ my post was illustrating more that team USA dont have as much to worry about as the others when it comes to...
for sure it is................ my post was illustrating more that team USA dont have as much to worry about as the others when it comes to covering injury

fingers crossed the teams that are put out end up being as strong as they could be

If RV n don't come back n if Rd n your 250 rider martin pick up a injury what will your team look like
Bam bam
Bagget
Nelson?

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struth wrote:
SWISS
Vg 92
Tonus
J.sweer....
Gollob's Steel Shoe wrote:
yeah .... although all 3 are on 250's which doesnt work........ they could have a team of contenders over the next few years though
struth wrote:
Only need one to move up to 450 for mxdn,
N I think jvh will ride the 250 n dessale n strijbos 450
Guillod raced the MX1 class at the 2013 MXdN and did very well and before that I think Tonus raced MX1 a couple of times at the MXdN. He broke his leg during the MX1 qualifying race in 2012 at Lommel.
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Jefro98 wrote:
I like that.

And with Pootjes coming thru in a few years team Brabant will be podium contenders soon....
Gollob's Steel Shoe 6/3/2015 3:01am
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Gollob's Steel Shoe wrote:
yeah .... although all 3 are on 250's which doesnt work........ they could have a team of contenders over the next few years though
struth wrote:
Only need one to move up to 450 for mxdn,
N I think jvh will ride the 250 n dessale n strijbos 450
jamma10 wrote:
Guillod raced the MX1 class at the 2013 MXdN and did very well and before that I think Tonus raced MX1 a couple of times at...
Guillod raced the MX1 class at the 2013 MXdN and did very well and before that I think Tonus raced MX1 a couple of times at the MXdN. He broke his leg during the MX1 qualifying race in 2012 at Lommel.
that's right i'd forgotten about '13 with Guillod..... he did do well



not my team Struth but yeah I see what you are saying....... clearly not as strong but I still think capable
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Sideways wrote:
Its going to be very hard for any team to beat this combination anyway...

Gautier Paulin
Roman Febvre
Dylan Ferrandis/Jordi Tixier/Marvin Musquin
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Plus those guys are racing in France...
True. Think outside the box . Short ,Wey and dust off Mike Brown for the 250 f .
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There's so many strong teams now in the MXdN, it could go any way. You look at France and the USA as the favourites, they could both pick 2 teams capable of being on the podium. Belgium will be very strong. Then you have teams like Germany and The Netherlands who are dark horses. It's going to be an incredible event this year, the crowd will be massive and there will be an awesome atmosphere. Can't wait
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timlake 6/3/2015 4:16am
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You guys should put JS7 on a 250 2-Stroke.

Btw Gollob's... I think the British team will be the same as last year, with TS on the 250 again..

France will win the MXDN though so I don't really know why they're bothering with it this year. Their biggest problem is whether they take MM or Tixier...
TripleFive 6/3/2015 4:39am
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I don't think team USA should field a team. American riders race too much throughout the year already. I don't believe the red/white/blue circle jerk is worth tacking on another month to their already gnarly eight month death-march.

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Gollob's Steel Shoe 6/3/2015 4:49am
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timlake wrote:
You guys should put JS7 on a 250 2-Stroke. Btw Gollob's... I think the British team will be the same as last year, with TS on...
You guys should put JS7 on a 250 2-Stroke.

Btw Gollob's... I think the British team will be the same as last year, with TS on the 250 again..

France will win the MXDN though so I don't really know why they're bothering with it this year. Their biggest problem is whether they take MM or Tixier...
that will be a tough decision that someone is going to have to make I guess............. who generally supplies the bikes when a 450 guy takes on a 250?
Would be nice for the Brits to catch a break for just one year..... bit sick of just missing out on podiums

If they stay injury free France would have to be favourites but only marginally if team USA had RD RV & JM ..... but anything can happen in MXDN..............edit: in fact screw that I wouldnt have them as favourites at all, despite home advantage, with that USA team
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Alan_Hess wrote:
Dungey Villopoto Martin. Super bummed Eli is out. He would have destroyed.
Yep, he would have destroyed the few bullshit excuses that the Yanks have left, when he got smashed by Cairoli Nagl Febvre Desalle Paulin Herlings Guillod ....... the list goes on
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Alan_Hess wrote:
Dungey Villopoto Martin. Super bummed Eli is out. He would have destroyed.
Everts72 wrote:
Yep, he would have destroyed the few bullshit excuses that the Yanks have left, when he got smashed by Cairoli Nagl Febvre Desalle Paulin Herlings Guillod...
Yep, he would have destroyed the few bullshit excuses that the Yanks have left, when he got smashed by Cairoli Nagl Febvre Desalle Paulin Herlings Guillod ....... the list goes on
You should change your user name. You're an embarrassment and don't deserve to use a legends name as your user name.
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Alan_Hess wrote:
Dungey Villopoto Martin. Super bummed Eli is out. He would have destroyed.
Everts72 wrote:
Yep, he would have destroyed the few bullshit excuses that the Yanks have left, when he got smashed by Cairoli Nagl Febvre Desalle Paulin Herlings Guillod...
Yep, he would have destroyed the few bullshit excuses that the Yanks have left, when he got smashed by Cairoli Nagl Febvre Desalle Paulin Herlings Guillod ....... the list goes on
Damn, what time is it over there?!?

A little early to be drunk don't you think?
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TripleFive wrote:
I don't think team USA should field a team. American riders race too much throughout the year already. I don't believe the red/white/blue circle jerk is...
I don't think team USA should field a team. American riders race too much throughout the year already. I don't believe the red/white/blue circle jerk is worth tacking on another month to their already gnarly eight month death-march.
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Anthony Siracuse 6/3/2015 6:41am
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timlake wrote:
You guys should put JS7 on a 250 2-Stroke. Btw Gollob's... I think the British team will be the same as last year, with TS on...
You guys should put JS7 on a 250 2-Stroke.

Btw Gollob's... I think the British team will be the same as last year, with TS on the 250 again..

France will win the MXDN though so I don't really know why they're bothering with it this year. Their biggest problem is whether they take MM or Tixier...
Yeah and RC should come back from retirement. And while were at it we can put JLaw in the MX2 class.
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agn5009 6/3/2015 6:55am
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Dungey, villopoto, and martin is the obvious answer if all 3 are healthy at the time. Throw canard or webb in there as next in line if they can come back from injuries before the end of the season.

I don't think Baggett is ready on the 450. Next year may be different. Most of the top US riders are currently out. RV, JS, CW, ET, TC, it's crazy, really. That's a hell of a list of talent and accomplishments. Every single one of those guys have both an outdoor and SX title except CW.
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ryandiezic757 6/3/2015 7:50am
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Let's not forget the chance cooper Webb comes back half way through the year and kills it, maybe there's still even a chance for him to be on the team
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DeStouwer wrote:
I think the age rule of 23 for MX2 doesn't count (anymore) for MXoN. That why last year Italy's team was Guarneri - Cairoli - Philippaerts...
I think the age rule of 23 for MX2 doesn't count (anymore) for MXoN. That why last year Italy's team was Guarneri - Cairoli - Philippaerts. This opens a lot of opportunities for some European countries, who don't have such a deep pond to fish in.

I think these are the best possible team line ups (when everyone is healthy):

USA: Dungey - J. Martin - Villopoto
France: Paulin - Tixier / Musquin - Febvre
Belgium: Desalle - Van Horebeek/Lieber - Strijbos/ Van Horebeek / De Dycker (depends on Lieber's form, and Van Horebeek could race MX2 as the Yam proves to be friggin' fast))
Great Britain: Searle - Wilson / Anstie - Simpson
Italy: Cairoli - Lupino - Philippaerts / Guarneri
Germany: Roczen - Jacobi (suprised me a little so far) - Nagl
Switzerland: Guillod (as he has to move up next year) - Seewer - Tonus
Netherlands: Coldenhoff - Bogers - Herlings

These teams are the ones who can win or get a podium.
Very accurate.

France has to be favourite (so far), even as Ferrandis is definitely out (knee surgery). The Tixier / Musquin decision will be a tough one but the French Federation has "an open mind" about it. If anything happens to Paulin or Febvre, there still are capable "B" plans.

US and Belgium of course, + Germany (would need one decent 250 result, but Nagl and Roczen, if they are there and healthy, is a very strong pair), + Netherlands (kind of same).

Switzerland, great outsider !

Italy, not so much (besides Cairoli of course).
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ryandiezic757 wrote:
Listening to pulpmx last night, they brought up the idea of a team of dungey, tomac, and canard on the 250. In my opinion, dropping a...
Listening to pulpmx last night, they brought up the idea of a team of dungey, tomac, and canard on the 250. In my opinion, dropping a 450 rider back down would be beneficial due to the face some of the other 250 riders just can't Handel the pressure like baggett 2012 and tomac 2013 and Martin 2014. I would have to say it'd be awesome to see barcia to drop back down and ride a bike he really knows how again and see dungey and villopoto in the 450 classes, what do you think of the idea of dropping a 450 rider down?
why would we put Canard on a 250???? I like Canard but he does not deserve a ride on team USA this year. We have had great success using our national champions in the past. Look at last year when Italy moved Tony Carioli down to the 250s, was it a sure win.... NO! Nothing is a sure thing and shit happenes. Last year JMart deserved to ride for the US team and he would have done way better had he not broke his foot. All this talk about team USA getting there ass handed to them at the MXoNs is total bs. No other country has won more and been on the podium more than team USA. Yes we have been beat in the last few years but no other country has won it twice during this time. So If you use that line of thinking all the countries have had their ass handed to them also. Bottom line is there are GREAT riders from all around the world that represent their countries, some win and some loose but each year they come and put in their best rides for bragging rights. Thanks goes out to all the riders.
The Narrator 6/3/2015 8:28am
6/3/2015 8:28am
The U.S. needs to get unconventional with team selection. If we send Dungey and Barcia again, i'm not even watching the damned race. Send HUNGRY people.

MX1 Pieck
MX2 Cianciarulo
MX3 Anderson

Send Pieck over to the Baker factory after the last national and let him train with the other two, Aldon. Consider it giving back to the country that has made you rich.

But no. We will send Dungey, so we can watch him play safe and conservative in a one-off race that rewards bravery and risk. It works in a 17 race meat grinder. But the MXdN.. We need Magoo '82.
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I don't know about Wilhelm Pieck for MX1.

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