do you think dungey

Edited Date/Time 5/30/2015 4:58pm
Was focused on wrapping up the supercross champion and didn't do quite as much outdoor testing and will take a couple rounds to get going and then kicking everyone's ass?
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5/29/2015 9:18am
He's already kicking everyones ass, just that Elis speed is from another planet.
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5/29/2015 9:19am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2015 9:19am
Considering he wrapped up the championship nearly a month early, I'm gonna go with no. There's a few reasons he hasn't won a moto yet, and the first reason is that Tomac has simply been better than everyone. Second reason is Dungey's mechanical issue in the first moto at Glen Helen. Third reason is that it's the first time racing outdoors on the current bike he's on. Everyone should remember that he didn't start winning in supercross until after 5 rounds.
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5/29/2015 9:22am
No, he has never really been an ass kicker. Yes he wins chamionships but it was done by being incrediably consistant, not blowing the wheels off everyone but being the one on the box every weekend. i dont think he will kick everyones ass, but he has a good chance at the championship right behind Eli. Just look at bogle, he won a championship and i think only had 1 win same with hahn i believe
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5/29/2015 9:26am
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Considering he wrapped up the championship nearly a month early, I'm gonna go with no. There's a few reasons he hasn't won a moto yet, and...
Considering he wrapped up the championship nearly a month early, I'm gonna go with no. There's a few reasons he hasn't won a moto yet, and the first reason is that Tomac has simply been better than everyone. Second reason is Dungey's mechanical issue in the first moto at Glen Helen. Third reason is that it's the first time racing outdoors on the current bike he's on. Everyone should remember that he didn't start winning in supercross until after 5 rounds.
Agreed on the new bike and obviously Eli has found his mojo Smile Take away the mechanical and the points don't look terrible. But Ryan and Ken better have something for him real soon or the fat lady will be warming up her pipes by singing the Star Spangled banner come Redddddddddddddddddddd Budddddddddddddddddddd!

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5/29/2015 9:28am
It's still really early in the series but if your a dungey fan you better hope he figures it out soon. I would say if dungey even had a weakness it would be when he can't match the leaders speed he seems to doubt himself to much. In a few of his interviews this year he stated how he was getting so frustrated at not being able to win the championship and contemplating retiring. in no way am I saying that's the cases right now but a few more weekends of Eli running away may start to let the confidence fade.
5/29/2015 9:36am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2015 9:37am
If KTM keeps chasing the carrot and building bikes every two years for one championship, I highly doubt they will win both an SX and MX title. I don't understand why they needed to have 3 different bikes built since 2012. If Dungey doesn't win this MX title, I wouldn't be surprised if in a year we see another "All new" KTM just for the outdoor series.

Now since I posted this, he will win the championship and make me look silly Whistling
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5/29/2015 10:08am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2015 10:17am
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No, he has never really been an ass kicker. Yes he wins chamionships but it was done by being incrediably consistant, not blowing the wheels off...
No, he has never really been an ass kicker. Yes he wins chamionships but it was done by being incrediably consistant, not blowing the wheels off everyone but being the one on the box every weekend. i dont think he will kick everyones ass, but he has a good chance at the championship right behind Eli. Just look at bogle, he won a championship and i think only had 1 win same with hahn i believe
I actually can't think of a 450 championship he's won simply by being consistent. Now if you want to say he's won some by remaining healthy and then smoking the competition who lined up, I can follow you.

2010 SX - 6 wins
2010 MX - 19 moto wins & 10 OA's
2012 MX - 18 moto wins & 10 OA's
2015 SX - 8 wins
*Yes, I'm a nerd for knowing these stats...

2010 SX was probably his least dominant championship. Other than that, he pretty much kicked ass the years he won. In fact, the years he's been consistent but lacked the race wins are the years he's come up short. But I do agree that SX had nothing to do with his preparation coming into outdoors. He should of had plenty of time to test cruising with a huge lead and wrapping up the championship early.

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Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping:

"...the excuse of "chasing setup" does get a little old. One of the best things I ever heard Ricky Carmichael say after getting beat was that he just got beat. He would congratulate the winning rider and reiterate that he got his ass handed to him and that he had work to do that week. Maybe that was his way of reminding himself why he was going to be working so hard the ensuing week. Either way, his honesty was refreshing, and I always respect a rider who calls it like it is and doesn't try to make an excuse, even if there is something going on."
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5/29/2015 10:37am
I think KTM's/DeCoster's strategy is stay consistent until the front runner folds, then drop the hammer. It works.
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I don't think it's a lack of preparation on Dungey's part that has put him where he is. I think Eli just found a really good set up pre season and he's feeling really comfortable. I think it's worth mentioning that Roczen has not been 100% for the first 2 rounds, Canard is out and Dungey is riding a bike which has never been raced outdoors in America before. I think towards the end of the season we'll see something that is close to what we had at the end of last season, with those 4 guys battling every weekend. Eli has come out swinging for sure and he's putting himself in an excellent position to win the title
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5/29/2015 11:01am
mxpro252 wrote:
Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping: "...the excuse of "chasing...
Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping:

"...the excuse of "chasing setup" does get a little old. One of the best things I ever heard Ricky Carmichael say after getting beat was that he just got beat. He would congratulate the winning rider and reiterate that he got his ass handed to him and that he had work to do that week. Maybe that was his way of reminding himself why he was going to be working so hard the ensuing week. Either way, his honesty was refreshing, and I always respect a rider who calls it like it is and doesn't try to make an excuse, even if there is something going on."
I think in Ricky's time, you could get away with a sub par setup if you had the conditioning. Ricky had conditioning and not much of the rest of the field took it as serious as he did. But now that everyone seems to be all about conditioning, bike setup is significantly more important than previously.

Not saying you don't have a point when it comes to a rider like Reed maybe. There is more than bike setup going on with Reed. You call it an excuse whereas I call it a reason. You can see Dungey has improved from week one to week two as far as setup. So it's just Dungey being honest in this case.

Dungey is struggling with his bike in some areas and you can see it in many instances. Tomac isn't having those struggles so that tells me that Dungey is probably losing a bit on the bike setup.

I don't know that Dungey would keep up with a perfect bike setup, but he would definitely be closer. Tomac is just blazing the trail.
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5/29/2015 11:15am
Olson wrote:
He's already kicking everyones ass, just that Elis speed is from another planet.
Nailed it.

I'm a huge fan of Eli fan, but I hope Roczen and Dungey can find that extra speed and keep this championship close.
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5/29/2015 11:18am
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I think in Ricky's time, you could get away with a sub par setup if you had the conditioning. Ricky had conditioning and not much of...
I think in Ricky's time, you could get away with a sub par setup if you had the conditioning. Ricky had conditioning and not much of the rest of the field took it as serious as he did. But now that everyone seems to be all about conditioning, bike setup is significantly more important than previously.

Not saying you don't have a point when it comes to a rider like Reed maybe. There is more than bike setup going on with Reed. You call it an excuse whereas I call it a reason. You can see Dungey has improved from week one to week two as far as setup. So it's just Dungey being honest in this case.

Dungey is struggling with his bike in some areas and you can see it in many instances. Tomac isn't having those struggles so that tells me that Dungey is probably losing a bit on the bike setup.

I don't know that Dungey would keep up with a perfect bike setup, but he would definitely be closer. Tomac is just blazing the trail.
I'd agree with you. I should have acknowledged that I do understand setup plays a significant role. It just seems like that now the first words out of second place are mentioning setup rather than admitting the other guy was just better.

Speaking of Dungey specifically, I’m sure he didn’t have an ideal setup at Hangtown and was closer at GH, but Tomac is just riding better right now. And while Tomac looks and says he feels great, how could someone argue that it’s not possible even his setup couldn’t be just a bit better at any given time. Theres always room for any bike to be at least a little better.
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5/29/2015 11:23am
I bet the guy has the most laps during a race and the most points in the last 5 years in SX/MX then anyone.
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5/29/2015 11:33am
radialone wrote:
I actually can't think of a 450 championship he's won simply by being consistent. Now if you want to say he's won some by remaining healthy...
I actually can't think of a 450 championship he's won simply by being consistent. Now if you want to say he's won some by remaining healthy and then smoking the competition who lined up, I can follow you.

2010 SX - 6 wins
2010 MX - 19 moto wins & 10 OA's
2012 MX - 18 moto wins & 10 OA's
2015 SX - 8 wins
*Yes, I'm a nerd for knowing these stats...

2010 SX was probably his least dominant championship. Other than that, he pretty much kicked ass the years he won. In fact, the years he's been consistent but lacked the race wins are the years he's come up short. But I do agree that SX had nothing to do with his preparation coming into outdoors. He should of had plenty of time to test cruising with a huge lead and wrapping up the championship early.

Yes he has wins but he never gaps the field like tomac has done. You can win with without kicking someones ass IMO. They can be licking yor rear tire and you can still win. I'm not up with the stats really ,this is just my overall opinion. i just feel like he never had much "flair" like when u say "man this dude is freaking killing it" like say Js7 RV2 even trey canard and now ET3 would. I dont know why but nothing really stands out to me with him maybe deep down i dont like him....lol
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5/29/2015 12:08pm
I get what you're saying as far as not being flashy or looking like he's pushing hard. I think it's deceiving though. I don't know anyone besides maybe Carmichael who has gapped the field like Eli did at Hangtown. But 30 to 60 second leads were fairly common for both Dungey and RV in their title years.
5/29/2015 12:08pm
Dungey has an incredible grasp at how dangerous what he does for relative professional peanuts.

Intelligent. Sustainable. Minimalism expressed physically.

That said, I've never been "IN" to him because I can't imagine him having a bad day at work, getting in his shitty car and driving down some backroads while drinking and going in hard on life and existentialism and shit.

Can't relate, man. Smile
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5/29/2015 1:34pm
4 moto's in, and Dungey is right where he needs to be.
It's a long season with a lot of things happening between now and then.
See you at the end of summer.
Should be some great racing for all of us.. in both classes..
Be nice to see Dungey, Amart and Jmart all on that podium in the same weekend..
5/29/2015 1:56pm
Dungey has an incredible grasp at how dangerous what he does for relative professional peanuts. Intelligent. Sustainable. Minimalism expressed physically. That said, I've never been "IN"...
Dungey has an incredible grasp at how dangerous what he does for relative professional peanuts.

Intelligent. Sustainable. Minimalism expressed physically.

That said, I've never been "IN" to him because I can't imagine him having a bad day at work, getting in his shitty car and driving down some backroads while drinking and going in hard on life and existentialism and shit.

Can't relate, man. Smile
Cheers to that my friend. Then again, my day consists of playing video games and going to play mini golf and go karts with clients. It's the hours that drive me to drink Grinning
5/29/2015 2:09pm
Dungey has an incredible grasp at how dangerous what he does for relative professional peanuts. Intelligent. Sustainable. Minimalism expressed physically. That said, I've never been "IN"...
Dungey has an incredible grasp at how dangerous what he does for relative professional peanuts.

Intelligent. Sustainable. Minimalism expressed physically.

That said, I've never been "IN" to him because I can't imagine him having a bad day at work, getting in his shitty car and driving down some backroads while drinking and going in hard on life and existentialism and shit.

Can't relate, man. Smile
Cheers to that my friend. Then again, my day consists of playing video games and going to play mini golf and go karts with clients. It's...
Cheers to that my friend. Then again, my day consists of playing video games and going to play mini golf and go karts with clients. It's the hours that drive me to drink Grinning
Laughing Laughing Where are you from? What do you do? It's always something that drives a man to drinking, damnit! Grinning
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ET is on another level, I don't think Dungey can or will go there. But that other level may come with a price, there are some tracks that I don't think can be ridden at that other level. And if ET does he may pay a price, I still have Dungey for the title.
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5/29/2015 2:47pm
Olson wrote:
He's already kicking everyones ass, just that Elis speed is from another planet.
this pretty much
5/29/2015 2:49pm Edited Date/Time 5/29/2015 2:51pm
I interviewed Dungey after Vegas SX and this is what he had to say about early prep and how it was going with the new bike:

With you wrapping the Championship up early and the Lucas Oil Pro Motcoross Championship right around the corner, were you guys able to get going on the outdoor testing for Hangtown earlier than normal?

Yeah, after Houston we started riding outdoors once a week which I think has been really helpful. Obviously, you can’t eliminate outdoors. You have to keep up on that aspect of it all, but with the short time we have from now until Hangtown—it’s only two weeks from now, or actually less than that with press day—we try to get ahead of the curve as much as we can. I think we did that and have been testing coming into this week. We’re building, slowly gaining ground and making the best use of the time we have because we have got to be ready. Right when things start we need to have a good setup and be ready.

You guys at KTM have an all new bike for 2015 and it obviously proved it’s worth in Supercross. How do you think the new bike is going to work for you outdoors?

Outdoors it feels just as good. I’m really happy with it, and we’ve actually been finding some great stuff testing that we were able to incorporate this weekend. We’re finding new things, even for next year’s Supercross season. I don’t wan’t to settle, but it’s also great to see the team keep trying to improve the bike—the chassis, the suspension, whatever it is. Our test rider, Ryan Morais—who does a great job—he was able to come up with some stuff. I rode that last week and they incorporated that into our Supercross package and that ended up helping me with traction and comfort here in Las vegas. It’s nice to make changes to the bike and already make it better for next year.

To answer your question, though, outdoor suspension testing is going good. I think it’s more just getting used to it because we are so used to riding such stiff suspension then we go to something that moves so much more. You have to take your time with the setup. You can’t rush it. I don’t like this, I don’t like that, I think maybe it’s just more having to get used to it.
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5/29/2015 3:03pm
IWreckALot wrote:
I think in Ricky's time, you could get away with a sub par setup if you had the conditioning. Ricky had conditioning and not much of...
I think in Ricky's time, you could get away with a sub par setup if you had the conditioning. Ricky had conditioning and not much of the rest of the field took it as serious as he did. But now that everyone seems to be all about conditioning, bike setup is significantly more important than previously.

Not saying you don't have a point when it comes to a rider like Reed maybe. There is more than bike setup going on with Reed. You call it an excuse whereas I call it a reason. You can see Dungey has improved from week one to week two as far as setup. So it's just Dungey being honest in this case.

Dungey is struggling with his bike in some areas and you can see it in many instances. Tomac isn't having those struggles so that tells me that Dungey is probably losing a bit on the bike setup.

I don't know that Dungey would keep up with a perfect bike setup, but he would definitely be closer. Tomac is just blazing the trail.
A nice example of why I don't pass up your posts. Well said! Wink
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5/29/2015 3:23pm
mxpro252 wrote:
Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping: "...the excuse of "chasing...
Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping:

"...the excuse of "chasing setup" does get a little old. One of the best things I ever heard Ricky Carmichael say after getting beat was that he just got beat. He would congratulate the winning rider and reiterate that he got his ass handed to him and that he had work to do that week. Maybe that was his way of reminding himself why he was going to be working so hard the ensuing week. Either way, his honesty was refreshing, and I always respect a rider who calls it like it is and doesn't try to make an excuse, even if there is something going on."
Amen to that!
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5/29/2015 3:30pm
Tomac is flat ass hauling right now...but the season is very young. Ryan Dungey knows more about managing a series championship than anybody on the track with the exception of maybe Chad Reed...and Chad has never been as consistant as RD.

Every race, Ryan's KTM is looking better and better. Time will tell...
5/29/2015 4:42pm
mxpro252 wrote:
Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping: "...the excuse of "chasing...
Pretty tired of hearing "setup" is the reason someone gets beat. Ping talked a bit about setup this week in ask Ping:

"...the excuse of "chasing setup" does get a little old. One of the best things I ever heard Ricky Carmichael say after getting beat was that he just got beat. He would congratulate the winning rider and reiterate that he got his ass handed to him and that he had work to do that week. Maybe that was his way of reminding himself why he was going to be working so hard the ensuing week. Either way, his honesty was refreshing, and I always respect a rider who calls it like it is and doesn't try to make an excuse, even if there is something going on."
I dont think RD can ride Tomacs outdoor pace the whole race. He will blow up...and Tomac will keep going. Tomac rides in a way that requires more athleticism. He just bashes into stuff...bounces off stuff...OJs...and just rides away pinned. That tires everyone out. Everyone except Tomac. Genetics. This is also why Tomac was hit and miss in SX. Certain tracks, generally the more point and squirt tight tracks, suited his bash bash bash style...and when it did...he would simply destroy everyone. Outdoors suits his athleticism more consistently.
5/29/2015 5:09pm
I dont think RD can ride Tomacs outdoor pace the whole race. He will blow up...and Tomac will keep going. Tomac rides in a way that...
I dont think RD can ride Tomacs outdoor pace the whole race. He will blow up...and Tomac will keep going. Tomac rides in a way that requires more athleticism. He just bashes into stuff...bounces off stuff...OJs...and just rides away pinned. That tires everyone out. Everyone except Tomac. Genetics. This is also why Tomac was hit and miss in SX. Certain tracks, generally the more point and squirt tight tracks, suited his bash bash bash style...and when it did...he would simply destroy everyone. Outdoors suits his athleticism more consistently.
I disagree (respectfully). If RD doesn't have the mechanical issues last weekend in moto 1, I don't think Tomac catches him. 2 Reasons why: 1) the first mechanical (we never saw) but Tomac commented on is what allowed ET to close the gap considerably in one lap while he wasn't the rest of the race prior to that. 2) After RD had the second mechanical and ET passed him, that had to play a factor mentally in RD's head (such as "what happens if the bike does this on the face of a big jump - what's my exit strategy?"). I believe after the second issue, he toned it down some to just try and safely get through the moto with as much points as possible. Prior to anything mechanical related happening in GH moto 1, RD was plenty fast enough to win that race. We know RD has the fitness to compete with Tomac a whole moto - this shouldn't be a question. Looking at their fastest lap times, we also know he has the speed to run with Tomac (as does KR). I just think it comes down to bringing it all together in a single race (good start, no mechanical issues, right settings). And For the record, when healthy I think KR can run the pace a full moto as both RD and ET. Lastly, I have lots of respect for ET and love seeing him ripping it up right now and everything going right for him - he's had his fair share of crappy luck since he got on the 450s and he's earned his success. Big props to him.
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5/30/2015 3:35pm
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ET is on another level, I don't think Dungey can or will go there. But that other level may come with a price, there are some...
ET is on another level, I don't think Dungey can or will go there. But that other level may come with a price, there are some tracks that I don't think can be ridden at that other level. And if ET does he may pay a price, I still have Dungey for the title.
Just thought I should bring up my post from yesterday. Bummed for Tomac.
5/30/2015 3:59pm
Diesel is now rolling coal. Sustainable was a word used above.......perfect.

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