FARVE = GOAT

I believe you could make a case.

He is the most overrated player in NFL history.

He is an average quarterback, and always has been. He's had a few really good years, and just as many bad ones with several average years between. The one and only thing that places him above any other quarterback is that he starts every week.

His career QB rating is 85.9, which is a decent number, but not much above average at all. Yeah, he holds a ton of records that have to do with big numbers, but that's due to him playing every game.

For comparison, let's use a quarterback that isn't highly talked about or desired. Daunte Culpepper has a career QB rating of 89.4, which is better than the 85.9 Favre has. They both have identical TD to INT ratios. Culpepper has a better career completion percentage, a better yards per game average, and better yards per attempt average. He hasn't had a season where he's had a QB rating above 78 since 2004, and his career averages are dropping faster than a 16 year old girls pants in Green Bay.

I used Culpepper because everyone says he's a terrible QB, yet he is in his 10th season and his career averages are better than what Favre has posted. Again, Brett Favre is overrated. He's average at best.

Favre is overrated, he depends heavily on his arm strength and is a competiter with a throw to win mentality but makes just as many bad plays as good. He is great at reading a defense but he is very average when pressured.

Goat would be a guy like Montana, give me a thinker who sits patiently in the pocket over a farve or a scrambling QB any day.

I will even go out on the limb and say I would take Warner over Favre

elway .

Fuck favre, and fuck michael turner.

You have revealled your ignorance.

Har!

No, I've just stated some facts. If Favre only played 10 seasons, people would not be talking about him being some HOF quarterback. His numbers and records are all bulk numbers. Start almost any quarterback 270 games in his career and his numbers would be identical.

Are you kidding me? #1 learn how to spell his name its Favre.

#2 He couldn't hold Joe Montana's jock strap.

#3He throws more picks than TO throws tantrums.

He is legend but by no means a GOAT.

All time leader in int's .......just sayin

greatest pure passer= Dan Marino

greatest winner= Joe Montana

somewhere in between= John Elway

It'll really be interesting to see how Brady comes back next year. I think he was on his way to eclipsing all of the above. I personally don't think he'll ever be the same.

pretty good assessment I think.

Of course, there have been lots of greats in the past as well.

It's about winning and I don't think a QB was better at winning than Montana...

Favre deserves credit. He has a ton of heart and does some amazing things. But not the GOAT IMO.

Looking at these career numbers (discounting active players) it looks like Steve Young is getting the shaft. His name is never brought up in these discussions and judging by by the numbers and knowing his winning record, he should get more love. I watched his entire career and and he certainly was a smart, tough qb. Peyotn Manning will have a case when he's done, as well.

Kurt Warner should be sealing his HOF fame bid with this season, as well


Career Passer Rating Leaders
Football Leaders & Football Records : Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Rate Years Teams
1. Tony Romo (28) 97.2 2004-2008 dal
2. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
3. Kurt Warner (37) 94.6 1998-2008 3TM
4. Peyton Manning (32) 94.2 1998-2008 clt
5. Tom Brady (31) 92.9 2000-2008 nwe
6. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
7. Ben Roethlisberger (26) 90.3 2004-2008 pit
8. Philip Rivers (27) 90.0 2004-2008 sdg
9. Daunte Culpepper (31) 89.4 1999-2008 4TM
Chad Pennington (32) 89.4 2000-2008 2TM
11. Jay Cutler (25) 89.1 2006-2008 den
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.9 2004-2008 cin
13. Drew Brees (29) 88.8 2001-2008 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2008 5TM
15. Marc Bulger (31) 86.6 2002-2008 ram
Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955 cle
Trent Green (38) 86.6 1997-2008 4TM
18. David Garrard (30) 86.5 2002-2008 jax
19. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999 mia
20. Brett Favre (39) 86.0 1991-2008 3TM
21. Donovan McNabb (32) 85.7 1999-2008 phi
22. Matt Hasselbeck (33) 84.8 1999-2008 2TM
23. Rich Gannon 84.7 1987-2004 4TM
24. Jake Delhomme (33) 84.4 1999-2008 2TM
Jim Kelly+ 84.4 1986-1996 buf
26. Mark Brunell 84.2 1994-2006 3TM
27. Roger Staubach+ 83.4 1969-1979 dal
28. Steve McNair 82.8 1995-2007 2TM
29. Neil Lomax 82.7 1981-1988 crd
30. Len Dawson+ 82.6 1957-1975 3TM
Brian Griese (33) 82.6 1998-2008 4TM
Sonny Jurgensen+ 82.6 1957-1974 2TM
33. Brad Johnson (40) 82.5 1994-2008 4TM
34. Ken Anderson 81.9 1971-1986 cin
35. Neil O'Donnell 81.8 1991-2003 4TM
Bernie Kosar 81.8 1985-1996 3TM
37. Danny White 81.7 1976-1988 dal
38. Troy Aikman+ 81.6 1989-2000 dal
Jason Campbell (27) 81.6 2006-2008 was
40. Randall Cunningham 81.5 1985-2001 4TM
Dave Krieg 81.5 1980-1998 6TM
42. Boomer Esiason 81.1 1984-1997 3TM
43. Warren Moon+ 80.9 1984-2000 4TM
44. Damon Huard (35) 80.6 1998-2008 3TM
45. Jeff Hostetler 80.5 1985-1997 3TM
Bart Starr+ 80.5 1956-1971 gnb
47. Fran Tarkenton+ 80.4 1961-1978 2TM
Ken O'Brien 80.4 1984-1993 2TM
Jeff George 80.4 1990-2001 5TM
50. Steve Beuerlein 80.3 1988-2003 6TM
Byron Leftwich (28) 80.3 2003-2008 3TM
52. Dan Fouts+ 80.2 1973-1987 sdg
53. John Elway+ 79.9 1983-1998 den
54. Tony Eason 79.7 1983-1990 2TM
55. Elvis Grbac 79.6 1994-2001 3TM
56. Chris Chandler 79.1 1988-2004 7TM
57. Mark Rypien 78.9 1988-2001 5TM
58. Jim Everett 78.6 1986-1997 3TM
59. Aaron Brooks 78.5 2000-2006 2TM
Phil Simms 78.5 1979-1993 nyg
61. Johnny Unitas+ 78.2 1956-1973 2TM
Jim McMahon 78.2 1982-1996 6TM
Bert Jones 78.2 1973-1982 2TM
64. Jeff Blake 78.0 1992-2005 7TM
Bobby Hebert 78.0 1985-1996 2TM
66. Charlie Batch 77.9 1998-2007 2TM
67. Jim Harbaugh 77.6 1987-2000 4TM
Frank Ryan 77.6 1958-1970 3TM
69. Joe Theismann 77.4 1974-1985 was
70. Bob Berry 77.2 1965-1975 2TM
71. Drew Bledsoe 77.1 1993-2006 3TM
Jay Fiedler 77.1 1995-2005 5TM
Bob Griese+ 77.1 1967-1980 mia
74. Bill Kenney 77.0 1980-1988 kan
75. Erik Kramer 76.6 1987-1999 4TM
Jon Kitna (36) 76.6 1997-2008 3TM
Gary Danielson 76.6 1976-1988 2TM
78. Doug Flutie 76.3 1986-2005 4TM
79. Stan Humphries 75.8 1989-1997 2TM
80. Michael Vick 75.7 2001-2006 atl
81. Wade Wilson 75.6 1981-1998 5TM
82. Eli Manning (27) 75.4 2004-2008 nyg
Steve Bartkowski 75.4 1975-1986 2TM
84. Steve Bono 75.3 1985-1999 7TM
Scott Mitchell 75.3 1991-2001 4TM
Ken Stabler 75.3 1970-1984 3TM
87. Jim Miller 75.2 1995-2002 2TM
88. Norm Van Brocklin+ 75.1 1949-1960 2TM
Tim Couch 75.1 1999-2003 cle
90. Sid Luckman+ 75.0 1939-1950 chi
Vinny Testaverde 75.0 1987-2007 7TM
92. Chris Miller 74.9 1987-1999 3TM
Patrick Ramsey (29) 74.9 2002-2008 3TM
94. Don Meredith 74.8 1960-1968 dal
Brian Sipe 74.8 1974-1983 cle
96. Ty Detmer 74.7 1993-2003 5TM
97. David Carr (29) 74.6 2002-2008 3TM
Jake Plummer 74.6 1997-2006 2TM
99. Gus Frerotte (37) 74.5 1994-2008 7TM
100. Craig Erickson 74.3 1992-1997 3TM
Roman Gabriel 74.3 1962-1977 2TM
Y.A. Tittle+ 74.3 1948-1964 3TM
103. Steve DeBerg 74.2 1978-1998 6TM
104. Earl Morrall 74.1 1956-1976 6TM
105. Kerry Collins (36) 73.7 1995-2008 5TM
106. Frankie Albert 73.5 1946-1952 sfo
Hugh Millen 73.5 1987-1995 4TM
Craig Morton 73.5 1965-1982 3TM
109. Rodney Peete 73.3 1989-2004 6TM
110. Daryle Lamonica 72.9 1963-1974 2TM
Greg Landry 72.9 1968-1984 3TM
Don Majkowski 72.9 1987-1996 3TM
Frank Reich 72.9 1985-1998 4TM
114. Ron Jaworski 72.8 1974-1989 4TM
Tommy Kramer 72.8 1977-1990 2TM
116. Tommy Maddox 72.4 1992-2005 4TM
Tony Banks 72.4 1996-2005 4TM
118. John Friesz 72.3 1990-2000 4TM
Bubby Brister 72.3 1986-2000 5TM
John Brodie 72.3 1957-1973 sfo
121. Sammy Baugh+ 72.2 1937-1952 was
Milt Plum 72.2 1957-1969 4TM
Billy Wade 72.2 1954-1966 2TM
124. Gary Hogeboom 71.9 1980-1989 3TM
Kyle Boller 71.9 2003-2007 rav
126. Jay Schroeder 71.7 1985-1994 4TM
Quincy Carter 71.7 2001-2004 2TM
128. Billy Kilmer 71.6 1961-1978 3TM
Josh McCown (29) 71.6 2002-2008 4TM
Steve Pelluer 71.6 1984-1990 2TM
131. Bill Munson 71.5 1964-1979 5TM
132. Lynn Dickey 70.9 1971-1985 2TM
Terry Bradshaw+ 70.9 1970-1983 pit
134. Kordell Stewart 70.7 1995-2005 3TM
135. George Ratterman 70.4 1947-1956 3TM
136. Trent Dilfer 70.2 1994-2007 5TM
Rex Grossman (28) 70.2 2003-2008 chi
Bill Nelsen 70.2 1963-1972 2TM
139. Steve Fuller 70.1 1979-1986 2TM
Vince Ferragamo 70.1 1977-1986 3TM
141. Jeff Kemp 70.0 1981-1991 4TM
142. Pat Haden 69.6 1976-1981 ram
Steve Grogan 69.6 1975-1990 nwe
144. Joey Harrington 69.4 2002-2007 3TM
Doug Williams 69.4 1978-1989 2TM
146. Charley Johnson 69.2 1961-1975 3TM
147. Kent Graham 69.0 1992-2001 4TM
148. Mike Tomczak 68.9 1985-1999 4TM
149. Eric Hipple 68.7 1980-1989 det
150. Joe Ferguson 68.4 1973-1990 4TM
151. Charlie Conerly 68.2 1948-1961 nyg
152. Dave M. Brown 67.9 1992-2001 2TM
153. Marc Wilson 67.7 1980-1990 2TM
Billy Joe Tolliver 67.7 1989-1999 5TM
155. Richard Todd 67.6 1976-1985 2TM
Tom Flores 67.6 1960-1969 3TM
157. Jim Plunkett 67.5 1971-1986 3TM
158. John Hadl 67.4 1962-1977 4TM
159. Jim Zorn 67.3 1976-1987 3TM
James Harris 67.3 1969-1979 3TM
161. Archie Manning 67.1 1971-1984 3TM
162. Rudy Bukich 66.6 1953-1968 4TM
Jim Hart 66.6 1966-1984 2TM
164. Tommy Thompson 66.5 1940-1950 2TM
165. Steve Walsh 66.4 1989-1999 6TM
166. Steve Dils 65.8 1979-1988 3TM
167. David Woodley 65.7 1980-1985 2TM
168. Joe Namath+ 65.5 1965-1977 2TM
Norm Snead 65.5 1961-1976 5TM
170. Dave Wilson 63.8 1981-1988 nor
171. Rick Mirer 63.5 1993-2003 5TM
172. Bobby Layne+ 63.4 1948-1962 4TM
173. Jack Trudeau 63.3 1986-1995 3TM
Mike Pagel 63.3 1982-1993 3TM
Mike Livingston 63.3 1968-1979 kan
176. Danny Kanell 63.2 1996-2003 3TM
177. Vince Evans 63.0 1977-1995 2TM
178. Bobby Thomason 62.9 1949-1957 3TM
179. Ed Brown 62.8 1954-1965 3TM
180. Gary Cuozzo 62.1 1963-1972 4TM
181. Mark Malone 61.9 1980-1989 3TM
182. Bob Waterfield+ 61.6 1945-1952 ram
183. Randy Wright 61.4 1984-1988 gnb
Eddie LeBaron 61.4 1952-1963 2TM
185. Glenn Dobbs 61.0 1946-1949 2TM
186. George Blanda+ 60.6 1949-1975 4TM
187. Steve Spurrier 60.1 1967-1976 2TM
188. Babe Parilli 59.6 1952-1969 5TM
189. David Whitehurst 59.2 1977-1983 gnb
190. Dan Pastorini 59.1 1971-1983 4TM
191. Steve Ramsey 58.9 1970-1976 2TM
192. Jack Kemp 57.3 1957-1969 3TM
193. Tobin Rote 56.8 1950-1966 4TM
Dennis Shaw 56.8 1970-1975 2TM
195. Scott Brunner 56.3 1980-1985 2TM
196. Jim Ninowski 55.4 1958-1969 4TM
197. Joe Kapp 55.1 1967-1970 2TM
Randy Johnson 55.1 1966-1976 4TM
199. Cotton Davidson 54.9 1954-1968 3TM
200. Bob Avellini 54.8 1975-1984 chi
Paul Christman 54.8 1945-1950 2TM
Jack Concannon 54.8 1964-1975 4TM
203. Jim Finks+ 54.7 1949-1955 pit
204. Zeke Bratkowski 54.3 1954-1971 3TM
205. Joe Pisarcik 53.9 1977-1984 2TM
206. Al Dorow 53.8 1954-1962 4TM
207. Jim Hardy 53.1 1946-1952 3TM
208. Dick Wood 52.9 1962-1966 5TM
209. Mike Phipps 52.6 1970-1981 2TM
210. Frank Tripucka 52.2 1949-1963 4TM
Adrian Burk 52.2 1950-1956 2TM
212. Lamar McHan 50.3 1954-1963 4TM
213. Arnie Herber+ 50.1 1930-1945 2TM
214. Pete Beathard 49.9 1964-1973 4TM
215. Bobby Douglass 48.5 1969-1978 4TM
216. Mike Taliaferro 46.1 1964-1972 3TM

Peyton Manning is way more skilled in just about every aspect of the QB game than Favre has ever been at any point in his career. Imagine the numbers he would put up with a Moss, TO, Rice and a 1st string offensive line.

I don't know much about how QB ratings are developed. I think they are indicator, but don't tell the whole story by a long, long stretch.

Last year the Jets were 4 and 12 and weren't expected to be much better this year. So far they are 8 and 3. What's changed?

not the goat but all heart.

Slightly off topic but Warner is one of the funnest to watch play the game. Favre is boring in my opinion.

I don't know any of them. I know Ally, Carly, Jess and Kim, and plenty others with split tails.

I recognize gretzky. Only becasue I met Kim at a hockey game. I wasn't there for the hockey.

Farve aint even a pimple on Joe Montana's ass.

Dean, you mentioned you think Young is getting the shaft. What about one of the best quarterbacks of the 90's, Jim Kelly. He took his team to the Super Bowl 4 years in a row. We all know his team lost all of them, but he was in fact a nearly unstoppable passer. He had one of the best teams in history that sadly nobody remembers. I know his career passer rating is only 84.4, but that's not far below the rating of Favre.

Disgruntled cheese head?

If he sucked as bad as you guys think they would have benched him a long time ago.

Awesome to see Jeff Garcia at 14. I've watched him play since his high school days. When he played at San Jose State I figured he would be a good backup QB in the NFL. He's definately surpassed my expectations.

terry bradshaw, bob griese. i do not understand qb ratings and do not care. as long as they win does not matter how.

you know, I looked for him on that list specifically. As a lifelong Dolphin guy I know all too well the story of the Bills in the 90's. He was great. I think his lost few years in the USFL will hurt him historically

Not GOAT, a great qb with longevity but not a GOAT.