RV2 vs JS7 in MXGP? Who would do better?

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5/5/2015 6:58am
Yes just what we need another MXGP-Nationals dick measuring contest. Did we really need RV to go compete in the GP's to tell us how good their riders are? Anyone been watching the last 3 MXdN? The GP guy's are our equals and we havent even seen JH the last couple. I'm starting to drink the Koolaid with this kid when his times keep smoking the MX1 class. I'll get flamed but think RD would be faring better at the GP's than Villo. His fitness is better, at least this year RV doesnt look like the lean machine from past yrs. He's more patient and smooth so he would make less mistakes while learning the tracks. He doesnt throw away points like RV has. Not to mention Villo has only completed 2 full MX seasons out of the past 6. Dont think being out there every summer like Dunge doesnt matter, he's been beaten and pounded until he's now a "piece of iron." Okay that last part came from Rocky, sorry
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5/5/2015 7:09am
Just one other point, I'm sorry but I'm missing this whole thing about the GP tracks being so brutal and the National tracks being overgroomed. You wanna say the GP tracks are rough I wont argue because they arent my expertise. They sure look.smoother def allot of square edge hole due to the dirt being hardpack. As far as the National track I've watched every National since 2008. Barring 2008/09 with the infamous touching up of the tracks, which they stopped doing, the tracks are knarly. There wasnt one square inch of Hangtown covered with breaking bumps last yr. Then you get to the corners with a dozen footpeg deep ruts to choose from. Glen Helens breaking bumps turn into singles. Stop the noise about smooth US tracks cause to my amatuer eye they look way rougher
5/5/2015 7:18am
norcal3737 wrote:
Sheez. People act like JS7's fell off the map. Still one of the most gifted guys on the bike, and had RD5 covered in mx until...
Sheez.

People act like JS7's fell off the map.

Still one of the most gifted guys on the bike, and had RD5 covered in mx until his getoffs.
latest results of JS7.......


2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross (Injured) - Yamaha
5/5/2015 7:21am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 7:32am
hahaha you must be kidding ....LMFAO what a statement .... and btw , the USA isnt even in the top 10 of best countries in the world ...for you it must be , as its the only country you know and have been

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5/5/2015 7:42am
Yes just what we need another MXGP-Nationals dick measuring contest. Did we really need RV to go compete in the GP's to tell us how good...
Yes just what we need another MXGP-Nationals dick measuring contest. Did we really need RV to go compete in the GP's to tell us how good their riders are? Anyone been watching the last 3 MXdN? The GP guy's are our equals and we havent even seen JH the last couple. I'm starting to drink the Koolaid with this kid when his times keep smoking the MX1 class. I'll get flamed but think RD would be faring better at the GP's than Villo. His fitness is better, at least this year RV doesnt look like the lean machine from past yrs. He's more patient and smooth so he would make less mistakes while learning the tracks. He doesnt throw away points like RV has. Not to mention Villo has only completed 2 full MX seasons out of the past 6. Dont think being out there every summer like Dunge doesnt matter, he's been beaten and pounded until he's now a "piece of iron." Okay that last part came from Rocky, sorry
I think everyone knows the GP riders are very fast, but RV doesn't look like the same rider that won the MX titles in 2011 and 2013, it may be his fitness like you mentioned. Any yes, at this point in their careers Dungey may do better over there, dude looks incredible and is at the top of his game right now.
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5/5/2015 8:58am
Oh damn... that's fucked up!

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5/5/2015 9:35am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 9:37am
latest results of JS7....... 2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki 2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki 2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki 2013...
latest results of JS7.......


2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross (Injured) - Yamaha
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there.
They go fast out there.

All he got to do for supercross is ride to stay in shape, no Alden Baker workouts. I have as good of chance to see little
Haney out there. Supercross is 15 minutes.

He can stay in his back yard & make videos all day.
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5/5/2015 9:42am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 9:42am
Just one other point, I'm sorry but I'm missing this whole thing about the GP tracks being so brutal and the National tracks being overgroomed. You...
Just one other point, I'm sorry but I'm missing this whole thing about the GP tracks being so brutal and the National tracks being overgroomed. You wanna say the GP tracks are rough I wont argue because they arent my expertise. They sure look.smoother def allot of square edge hole due to the dirt being hardpack. As far as the National track I've watched every National since 2008. Barring 2008/09 with the infamous touching up of the tracks, which they stopped doing, the tracks are knarly. There wasnt one square inch of Hangtown covered with breaking bumps last yr. Then you get to the corners with a dozen footpeg deep ruts to choose from. Glen Helens breaking bumps turn into singles. Stop the noise about smooth US tracks cause to my amatuer eye they look way rougher
Bullshit they scraped most of the mud off of highpoint last year. WTF? who does that shit?
I saw it.
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5/5/2015 9:44am
latest results of JS7....... 2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki 2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki 2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki 2013...
latest results of JS7.......


2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross (Injured) - Yamaha
h&m_cycle wrote:
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there. They go fast out there. All...
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there.
They go fast out there.

All he got to do for supercross is ride to stay in shape, no Alden Baker workouts. I have as good of chance to see little
Haney out there. Supercross is 15 minutes.

He can stay in his back yard & make videos all day.
He has won numerous outdoor races the past few years. You only want him to race if he can win the title?
5/5/2015 10:07am
latest results of JS7....... 2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki 2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki 2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki 2013...
latest results of JS7.......


2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross (Injured) - Yamaha
h&m_cycle wrote:
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there. They go fast out there. All...
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there.
They go fast out there.

All he got to do for supercross is ride to stay in shape, no Alden Baker workouts. I have as good of chance to see little
Haney out there. Supercross is 15 minutes.

He can stay in his back yard & make videos all day.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
He has won numerous outdoor races the past few years. You only want him to race if he can win the title?
thats not my point , as a title contender he is out and had his best time till 2009 .... sure he can win the odd race , but a whole season is too long for JS7 these days ... look at above stats
5/5/2015 10:11am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 10:11am
hahaha you must be kidding ....LMFAO what a statement .... and btw , the USA isnt even in the top 10 of best countries in the...
hahaha you must be kidding ....LMFAO what a statement .... and btw , the USA isnt even in the top 10 of best countries in the world ...for you it must be , as its the only country you know and have been
I love vital for comments like this ^^ Claiming and judging and 100% facts.
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5/5/2015 10:18am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 10:37am
gsxrcr28 wrote:
He has won numerous outdoor races the past few years. You only want him to race if he can win the title?
could care less about titles, I would be paying him to win races. Not ducking races. RM's are sold to be used outdoors
not on football or baseball field.


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h&m_cycle wrote:
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there. They go fast out there. All...
THANK YOU, enough with James & the outdoors, he's a supercross racer, he made his money, it's hot out there.
They go fast out there.

All he got to do for supercross is ride to stay in shape, no Alden Baker workouts. I have as good of chance to see little
Haney out there. Supercross is 15 minutes.

He can stay in his back yard & make videos all day.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
He has won numerous outdoor races the past few years. You only want him to race if he can win the title?
thats not my point , as a title contender he is out and had his best time till 2009 .... sure he can win the odd...
thats not my point , as a title contender he is out and had his best time till 2009 .... sure he can win the odd race , but a whole season is too long for JS7 these days ... look at above stats
My post wasn't to you, but I agree his prime ended about 2009. He finished 32 points behind Dungey last year is SX, and that's with a DNF from Alessi crashing in front of him and crushing his header pipe, and a DNF from his crash and bent bars while leading A1. so I wouldn't count him out of any titles yet.
5/5/2015 10:28am
hahaha you must be kidding ....LMFAO what a statement .... and btw , the USA isnt even in the top 10 of best countries in the...
hahaha you must be kidding ....LMFAO what a statement .... and btw , the USA isnt even in the top 10 of best countries in the world ...for you it must be , as its the only country you know and have been
I love vital for comments like this ^^ Claiming and judging and 100% facts.
like these :

The American series is superior if for nothing else because it is held on American soil, the greatest damn country on planet earth. You Euro butt twinklers have us to thank for keeping this world in check and you ought to be a little more respectful. You're like the child who sits on his daddy's lap and slaps him.


lol.....
5/5/2015 10:30am
like these : The American series is superior if for nothing else because it is held on American soil, the greatest damn country on planet earth...
like these :

The American series is superior if for nothing else because it is held on American soil, the greatest damn country on planet earth. You Euro butt twinklers have us to thank for keeping this world in check and you ought to be a little more respectful. You're like the child who sits on his daddy's lap and slaps him.


lol.....
It goes for both Smile
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5/5/2015 10:31am
gsxrcr28 wrote:
He has won numerous outdoor races the past few years. You only want him to race if he can win the title?
h&m_cycle wrote:
could care less about titles, I would be paying him to win races. Not ducking races. RM's are sold to be used outdoors not on football...
could care less about titles, I would be paying him to win races. Not ducking races. RM's are sold to be used outdoors
not on football or baseball field.


He has raced the outdoors the past 3 years, it would be dumb to make the last two rounds when they are in the middle of Supercross testing.

Here is ML512's post to you a few days ago. If you have any common sense you will understand it.

Another interesting thought is based off something Mike Webb told me. Due to Stewart's ineligibility to race, his contract for 2015 has been modified and he's technically a PR person now. If he isn't eligible to race all the outdoors, they probably won't modify his contract back to being a racer for the team. Meaning, there's no money in doing the last two nationals. While the Straight Rhythm and MEC have a large purse and the two off-season Supercross races have starting money from the promoter. Before you say anything about only racing for money, lining up for races that don't pay and could jeopardize the ones that will is a legit point for someone at his level.

Also as a racer, it may bother him to jump in at the end of a championship and possibly interfere with the outcome.
5/5/2015 10:32am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 10:32am
like these : The American series is superior if for nothing else because it is held on American soil, the greatest damn country on planet earth...
like these :

The American series is superior if for nothing else because it is held on American soil, the greatest damn country on planet earth. You Euro butt twinklers have us to thank for keeping this world in check and you ought to be a little more respectful. You're like the child who sits on his daddy's lap and slaps him.


lol.....
It goes for both Smile
lol..... just my reaction to his stupid post ...the man makes his profile name work for him .......
i can back up my comments if youre interested ...
5/5/2015 10:37am
lol..... just my reaction to his stupid post ...the man makes his profile name work for him ....... i can back up my comments if youre...
lol..... just my reaction to his stupid post ...the man makes his profile name work for him .......
i can back up my comments if youre interested ...
I just find it entertaining. If i were you i would just ignore him. if it is so, he is thinking about Europe, he has probably a lot to learn. Why argue with trolls if you know what i mean Smile
5/5/2015 10:41am
lol..... just my reaction to his stupid post ...the man makes his profile name work for him ....... i can back up my comments if youre...
lol..... just my reaction to his stupid post ...the man makes his profile name work for him .......
i can back up my comments if youre interested ...
I just find it entertaining. If i were you i would just ignore him. if it is so, he is thinking about Europe, he has probably...
I just find it entertaining. If i were you i would just ignore him. if it is so, he is thinking about Europe, he has probably a lot to learn. Why argue with trolls if you know what i mean Smile
yeah i know youre right.... let him be the keyboardwarrior ...
5/5/2015 10:53am
Of those two Id say RV

The American rider from recent years I really would like to have seen give it a go is Windham. he had great hrottle control, great balance, good line choises and knew how to set up a bike. Plus, he didnt ride over his head.
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5/5/2015 11:30am
robkinuk wrote: As James Stewart can't race anywhere until August, if he was hypothetically free to race MXGP, how do you think he would be doing compared to Ryan Villopoto?
My own opinion is he wouldn't be doing as well as Ryan, pre Trentino crash, as he probably couldn't adjust to the changing GP 2 day format and his renowned harsh SX front fork set up just wouldn't work on the rougher GP tracks!
What do you think?
burn1986 wrote: Man, I used to respect your posts and topics.
keyboardwarrior wrote: The impression I got was that he was basically saying, "RV is the best you guys got and he's not winning...imagine how the other riders would do."
gsxrcr28
Exactly, it's always some kind of dig from him, it's pathetic.
I admit I thought RV would do better, but there is still a lot of races left.

The Rock wrote: What is pathetic is how negative you guys are plus apparently lack basic reading comprehension skills. Look at the subject line. He posed a question then followed up with his impression. He didn't state anything as fact but it didn't keep the Vital MX drama machine from being fired up.

burn1986-No comment.

keyboardwarrior-Your impression doesn't equate to reality. You IMO are biased when anything doesn't jive with your preconceived notions.

gsxcr28-I respect your opinion but I know Rob and don't agree it is always some dig from him.

I am on the road and the quote function wouldn't work and is why I copied the posts.
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5/5/2015 11:32am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 11:47am
Of those two Id say RV The American rider from recent years I really would like to have seen give it a go is Windham. he...
Of those two Id say RV

The American rider from recent years I really would like to have seen give it a go is Windham. he had great hrottle control, great balance, good line choises and knew how to set up a bike. Plus, he didnt ride over his head.
Now the quote function works.

rawmetalmedia-Thanks for being able to respond to Rob's OP with your own opinion without cluttering up the question with BS. Wish some of my USA counterparts could do the same.
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5/5/2015 11:33am
How is this even a question , RV pretty much smoked him ever race last time they went at it outdoors
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Hey Keyboardwanker:
Saw this on your Facebook page today!




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5/5/2015 11:50am
How is this even a question , RV pretty much smoked him ever race last time they went at it outdoors
I think it is because many people think RV is struggling, has looked much better in the past, and maybe different styles and tracks favor different riders.
But I still think it was a fishing thread, and to Rob's credit he caught a bunch Laughing

A better question would be who would do better in their prime, because neither rider is there now. I think both riders could win the GP title in their prime, but we will never know.
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5/5/2015 11:51am
burn1986 wrote:
I'm the one who claimed that. I wrote it in response to the bad timing of this stupid thread. The OP couldn't wait to post this...
I'm the one who claimed that. I wrote it in response to the bad timing of this stupid thread. The OP couldn't wait to post this as soon as it was determined that James Stewart was barred from racing the Nats. The message was clear - "RV couldn't make it here, JS is barred from racing, American MX is shit compared to Euro MX." This thread was only started to gloat over what has recently happened to JS and RV.
Nothing is clear IMO except your ability to project your own biases on to someone else then step back and say "the message was clear." Reason I get fired up over stuff like this is I don't mince words and when I have something to say I say it. I do not need anyone to tell me what I was really saying. That is mind reading and unless your Kreskin keep your projections to yourself and just respond to the basic question like what Rob posed otherwise please STFU.

5/5/2015 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 12:12pm
yep, we only send the guys who didn't make the cut at Hard Enduro to MXGP :-)

I think Stewart could win races but for a full season I'd be paying RV.

What we need in MXGP is Tomac on a Honda - he's the only one I see as a match for Herlings in the future.
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5/5/2015 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 5/5/2015 12:16pm
robkinuk wrote:
Hey Keyboardwanker: Saw this on your Facebook page today! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/05/05/90052/s1200_2015_05_05_03.23.00.jpg[/img] :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Hey Keyboardwanker:
Saw this on your Facebook page today!




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burn1986 wrote:
I guess it's a little disappointing when you think highly of someone and they let you down. Oh well, life goes on.
robkinuk wrote:
Burn, You must be feeling very sensitive and paranoid that anything that's posted on here is a direct attack on American riders!:angry: Instead of jumping to...
Burn,
You must be feeling very sensitive and paranoid that anything that's posted on here is a direct attack on American riders!Angry
Instead of jumping to conclusions and putting your own opinions of my post, go back and re read it.
I quote:
"My own opinion is he wouldn't be doing as well as Ryan, pre Trentino crash"

Hey I'm giving props to Ryan for how well he has done in his first GP season. There will be thousands of British fans at Matterley Basin in 3 weeks to cheer on Ryan, Mike and Thomas. Obviously British fans will be routing for Shaun, Tommy and Max first but expect any autograph sessions to have lone line ups of fans wanting to meet RV.

The way you guys depict the GP scene is like US riders are entering an imaginary war zone with snipers and IED's planted everywhere to try and take them out.Silly
Tell me Burn, GXSR and Keyboardwarrior, how many GPs have you been too? Have you ever travelled outside the USA?, do you even own passports?
You guys need to broaden your horizons and not just live vicariously on message boards.Wink Smile
Dude, the timing of this thread is inappropriate. You started this thread right when James Stewart's appeal was denied. And then your tone throughout was gloating over it. Why try to rally your fellow crusaders to attack JS at possibly the worst time in his career?

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