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i like MX better too, but i'm not blind to the fact that it is in fact a form of MX.
To your last sentence I agree but NEVER want MX to be a form of SX but unfortunately this is where we are in here in the US. I hope we can reverse this trend before our sport gets even smaller due to injury component associated with outdoor SX tracks.
MX is what the general population does. Supercross is what the pros do.
You can tune out during the Supercross season, and do something productive. Like going riding.
You can also choose whether to support tracks that look like outdoor supercross tracks...or not.
I chuckle when people say that National tracks feature natural terrain. Pick your favorite feature on nearly any National track (Mt. St. Helen excluded), and it's probably been manipulated in some way.
Stop insinuating Supercross has anything to do with motocross? Okay. I'll be sure to tell that to the bike, gear, tire, and aftermarket manufacturers know. They'll laugh, too.
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I said "top factory mx/sx" riders...in the past you'd have retired MXer's winning the GNCC's (Ryan Hughes won a WORC's title, I think...Doug Henry won a GNCC or two I think)...but not any more. Look how Ryan Sipes is doing? If the top Factory MX'ers focused on it...they'd win. Those guys that are racing the off road series haul! And any MXer-except the elite (Dungey, Roczen, Tomac, Canard, etc.) would have a hard time winning races.
GNCC"s now days are like two hour moto's...full on sprints. Kailub Russell is a bad bad dude.
Excellent replies and I blew it saying one had nothing to do with the other without providing more background.
I was attempting to make a philosophical point regarding the two disciplines. I was reacting to comments in another thread and had to blow off some steam before my head exploded.
Unfortunately in a forum where personal comments (the one about my mom being different is a new low) and sarcasm rule often it might be too much of a stretch though to have a philosophical discussion about the differences between MX and SX. I hope not.
And yes, SX is not MX. it's the circus sideshow. And Endurocross isn't Enduro either.
If you have the time in the near future I would love to hear your opinion on how you feel about MX today in the 21st century. I am most interested in learning if you think there should be a fundamental difference between the two or if you are fine with the hybridization of SX/MX that exists on so many amateur tracks.
To be clear this issue doesn't affect me one iota one way or the other as my income isn't dependent on how many people continue to race amateur motocross. I am passionate about it however due to my love of the sport and my OPINION (not fact) where we are today with tracks is in fact a key component on why injuries (and the severity of them) are getting more light these days.
DISCLAIMER: NO ONE IS TRYING TO MAKE MX SAFE BUT IT CAN BE MADE SAFER To do so will require I believe for people chime in on the subject with more than troll comments.
i might be the wrong person to ask. i grew up racing moto and was always a big fan of jumps, the bigger the better. i was always one of the first to jump the big-new jump at the tracks/races. however, now that i don't race any more (or even ride moto tracks for that matter) it doesn't seem to bother me one way or the other. i see both sides of the argument.
i have been to Washougal, Glen-Helen, Lakewood, and Tooele... all are different and none are outdoor supercross. sure some have more jumps than others, but even the Tooele track which everyone calls outdoor SX is extremely far from supercross.
local tracks could use less jumps if that's what's hurting people... i personally put more blame on the bikes that Joe Blow can purchase and jump on. when i was racing, the lesser classes didn't jump the big jumps because they lacked the ability to make even a modified 250 jump the big jumps. now, anyone can grab a 450 throttle and throw down on a 100 foot triple.
Back in the day, you'd worry about the frame. Or the wheels. Or the pegs breaking off.
Sure the suspension back in his day was absolute junk, but do you know how far Evel Knievel's longest successful jump was?
141 feet. That's a pretty good-sized outdoor jump these days. But I do think people will take that on (or much larger) without a ton of thought into what the consequences might be if they miss.
Oh, and I don't see jumps that big in Supercross.
I cased a 100 ft uphill triple last weekend and flipped over my bike. While flipping in the air I had the thought that I might break my back when it all ended. I got extremely lucky but guess what, it was my fault for fucking up and trying to link a double/table together when I haven't been riding much in months. Definitely not the tracks fault.
O and for you neck brace haters, I was able to tuck in the air and finish rotating my body so I didn't land with my arms out and break them, with a neck brace on. haha
https://youtu.be/ceZ0QoayI-w
For sure that wasn't the tracks fault but if the track didn't have those sections linked together you wouldn't have tried it either.
Similar to your return ride snafu did you see Andy Bowyer's video of his first ride back? He tried a combination that didn't work out for him either. From what I remember only because he'd been a training animal didn't get injured.
Face it we're motocrossers and we ride with our hearts way more than with our brains. Having sections like that out there to tantalize us is just too tempting for a lot of people and not everyone is as lucky as what you and Andy were.
GuyB-Great points about the bikes. If you raced in the 70s you knew a welder and regular visits if not weekly were the norm. The guy we used was a retired welder named Mr Hill and he was constantly burning himself and cussing a blue streak.
peelout-No statistical data to prove the local tracks need to be toned down but based on all available information it isn't the weather that has more people getting injured.
edit: quoted the wrong posts some how.
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B_T ya I was in 4th. It's hard to tell cuz of the slo-mo but I let off halfway on the straight and then tapered off the throttle a bit up the lip. Gnarly about Elsinore, I remember the first time I hit that one I was so close to clipping it! I have a buddy who shattered an ankle not even crashing a few years back too...ugh.
The Rock, ya I would say my bike made a difference in my decision. If I was on my 125 I would not have tried it on that day, that's for sure.
oh wait,
he wouldn't have been injured if he wore a chest protector..
oh wait,
they should require helmets when going down the big slides..
To your question the answer is tracks typically aren't near cities nor do their restroom facilities compare to stadiums.
The difference between the fans is huge too.
Air conditioning (at most, but cooler time of the year, regardless).
Fixed seats.
Indoor bathrooms.
3 hour show.
plus other characteristics that make it appealing to the non-moto crowd.
Non-moto folk + moto folk > moto folk
EDIT so far you have given better examples than I could that injuries are often a combination of poor judgment regarding a specific jump or jump sequence.
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