Increase the Pro age to 20

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Edited Date/Time 4/3/2015 9:58am
So would it help to not let someone get a SX or MX Pro license until they are 20? Then the race to sign 13 year old kids may slow down. It would help a lot of kids go through public school and then have time to try and go pro. Just an answer that could salve a bunch of issues.
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4/1/2015 10:53pm
No. The age rule is pointless when I want to see the fastest rider win. You do remember don't you?

The age rule should be at 21 to GTF out of the 250 class and quit sandbagging or get a real job if you can't cut it.
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4/1/2015 11:22pm
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as bad a s a 14 our 15 year old these are dirt bikes things go.wrong u can slow them down change tracks change the age of when u can turn pro its not going to stop any thing I don't get why nobody understands that this is a crazy sport things happin It sucks but that's life dam people stop with the bullshit already.
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4/2/2015 12:35am
The rule should be don't get out of bed in the morning because you might trip and hurt yourself. Problem solved.


If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Mistakes happen, the evolution of the sport is the problem here, not the age rule.
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4/2/2015 1:36am
moose man wrote:
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as...
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as bad a s a 14 our 15 year old these are dirt bikes things go.wrong u can slow them down change tracks change the age of when u can turn pro its not going to stop any thing I don't get why nobody understands that this is a crazy sport things happin It sucks but that's life dam people stop with the bullshit already.
Your'e right a 25 year old can easily hurt themselves as bad as a 14 y.o. ( possibly worse, as he's not likely to bounce as well! Wink )

However a 25 year old is much more capable of saying "F*ck off" to their dad or whoever else might be bullying them into doing something they're not comfortable with or are not capable of.

Let kids be kids, Not assets for parents to exploit, naming no names.

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4/2/2015 2:49am
So would it help to not let someone get a SX or MX Pro license until they are 20? Then the race to sign 13 year...
So would it help to not let someone get a SX or MX Pro license until they are 20? Then the race to sign 13 year old kids may slow down. It would help a lot of kids go through public school and then have time to try and go pro. Just an answer that could salve a bunch of issues.
No the factories amatuer programs still exist. These kids are supported and molded to be the next super stars.
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4/2/2015 2:57am
If it was 20 our current national champ would have just turned pro lol
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4/2/2015 5:26am
moose man wrote:
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as...
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as bad a s a 14 our 15 year old these are dirt bikes things go.wrong u can slow them down change tracks change the age of when u can turn pro its not going to stop any thing I don't get why nobody understands that this is a crazy sport things happin It sucks but that's life dam people stop with the bullshit already.
PalerBlue wrote:
Your'e right a 25 year old can easily hurt themselves as bad as a 14 y.o. ( possibly worse, as he's not likely to bounce as...
Your'e right a 25 year old can easily hurt themselves as bad as a 14 y.o. ( possibly worse, as he's not likely to bounce as well! Wink )

However a 25 year old is much more capable of saying "F*ck off" to their dad or whoever else might be bullying them into doing something they're not comfortable with or are not capable of.

Let kids be kids, Not assets for parents to exploit, naming no names.
Good one!
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4/2/2015 5:33am
Nope I like seeing kids kill it at 18
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4/2/2015 5:56am
Their is a 17 yr old racing F1... just sayin
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4/2/2015 6:14am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 6:25am
We all know, if you aren't a complete bad ass by about 14-15 you aren't going to make it. I kind of like the idea of holding off on going pro. I think it would take some of the pressure off of the top amateurs to dominate and hop on a big bike so fast. Maybe they could spend more time on the 125 that everyone sees as so valuable. As of now there isn't time after super mini to hang out in the "school boy 2 stroke class" as you need to get to the 250F in 250 B at the nationals in pretty short order. Not only do you need to be there, you better perform and get to A that next year, and again, you better perform because after LL that year you're going pro! ... or probably not going to make a living in this sport.



But I doubt the age will go up, it's a kid sport.


Moto isn't the only motorsport getting younger and younger.







Example:


Max Verstappen of Scuderia Toro Rosso - Youngest person to ever score a point in F1. 17 years old.



http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/f1/athletes/1331675747460/max-ver…

http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsports/f1/stories/1331714040408/2015-mal…







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4/2/2015 8:06am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 8:08am
How many Champions have we had or race winners at a very young age?

If those same guys later get hurt, lose sponsorship or Dad's money, turn into a crackhead or whatever, we are denied seeing some of the best there ever were.

James Stewart 17 years old 2002 125 National Champ
Dave Strijbos 17 years old 1985 125 World Champ
Travis Pastrana 17 years old 2000 125 National Champ
Grant Langston 17 years old 2000 125 World Champ
Tony Distefano 18 years old 1975 250 National Champ

There are many more. I left a few more for you guys to name.

Change the dumb rule back.
4/2/2015 8:19am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 8:23am
newage wrote:
Their is a 17 yr old racing F1... just sayin
Cars are far safer.
And F1 is probably safer than driving down the street.

Plus, in MX, how many had Dads that were top racers or champs? Few to None.

F1, Indy Car etc, MANY. John Force, Foyt, Luyendyk, Verstappen, Fittipaldi, just off the top of my head

I wonder if Payton wished this rule was in place.
Seems to me He got reamed on his last next big thing signing of a kid..


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4/2/2015 8:22am
Guys like Roczen and Stewart are freaks of nature so it is ridiculous to use them as examples. If i were appointed CEO of Feld/AMA/MX Sports tomorrow, I'd do the following:

- Raise pro age to 18

-16-18 becomes a 125 class that runs a moto at the SX rounds during intermission and after the first motos outdoors

-transition SX to a two moto per class format (priority # 1)

Raising the pro age can be justified since it seems pretty rare to see 16 year olds qualifying at the pro level anyway. Yes I know Rookie White jumped ten thousand feet on a 450 and James and Ricky cleaned up when they were 16, I get it. Again, those are RARE cases and the entire sport should not move down an illogical path because of their examples. Getting the top amatuers on 125s from 16-18 if they are at the pro level will cut down on a lot of injuries when they make the final step up, and the fans would go ballistic for the class. It would probably be some of the best racing at each round. Plus it's another class to have story lines, intrigue, drama, etc
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4/2/2015 8:26am
Keep it at 16. You can work full time the USA at 16. Done deal.
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4/2/2015 8:29am
moose man wrote:
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as...
Y'all don't get it ur not going to stop bad crashes our death in this sport a 25 year old can hurt him self just as bad a s a 14 our 15 year old these are dirt bikes things go.wrong u can slow them down change tracks change the age of when u can turn pro its not going to stop any thing I don't get why nobody understands that this is a crazy sport things happin It sucks but that's life dam people stop with the bullshit already.
4/2/2015 8:30am
Loretta was 15 when she started.....
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4/2/2015 9:20am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 9:21am
Ron Lechien 1985 18 years old
Ken Roczen 17 years old World 250 Champ

Marty Tripes, Ron Lechien and Damon Bradshaw won Supercross main events at 16.

This is not rare stuff, there are more.
4/2/2015 9:56am
Why 20 so they can get more devastating injuries in the amateurs where most make no money. At least when they turn pro there's some financial support
4/2/2015 10:03am
Change the rule to 18 or 20 and I'll bet a lot of would be champions hurt themselves before getting their destined championship at age of 20.

Whose gonna travel around to all the pro nationals to race an intermission race ? Nobody.
4/2/2015 10:14am
Ron Lechien 1985 18 years old Ken Roczen 17 years old World 250 Champ Marty Tripes, Ron Lechien and Damon Bradshaw won Supercross main events at...
Ron Lechien 1985 18 years old
Ken Roczen 17 years old World 250 Champ

Marty Tripes, Ron Lechien and Damon Bradshaw won Supercross main events at 16.

This is not rare stuff, there are more.
Stewart when he was 16.... Pastrana won the 125 nationals when he was 16.
4/2/2015 10:16am
Change the rule to 18 or 20 and I'll bet a lot of would be champions hurt themselves before getting their destined championship at age of...
Change the rule to 18 or 20 and I'll bet a lot of would be champions hurt themselves before getting their destined championship at age of 20.

Whose gonna travel around to all the pro nationals to race an intermission race ? Nobody.
I disagree with this point. I dont want to increase the pro age but I think a 125 intermission race for semi-retired guys, privateers who can't afford to make it to a whole nationals series, and most importantly first year pros/final year amateurs would be awesome. Factory teams who are bring these amateur kids up can throw them on a 125 at a national as a warm up to turning pro and top amateurs without pro deals lined up can earn rides.

My only request would be that it is only a 6 round series, or a east/west type set up.
4/2/2015 10:38am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 10:59am
I disagree with this point. I dont want to increase the pro age but I think a 125 intermission race for semi-retired guys, privateers who can't...
I disagree with this point. I dont want to increase the pro age but I think a 125 intermission race for semi-retired guys, privateers who can't afford to make it to a whole nationals series, and most importantly first year pros/final year amateurs would be awesome. Factory teams who are bring these amateur kids up can throw them on a 125 at a national as a warm up to turning pro and top amateurs without pro deals lined up can earn rides.

My only request would be that it is only a 6 round series, or a east/west type set up.
125's are not making a come back at a pro level. If their first national is on a slower bike, they might as well throw the training wheels back on a pro BMX riders bike at their first pro race.
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4/2/2015 10:44am
20?? R u nuts?
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4/2/2015 10:44am
Absolutely not. Most pro careers don't hit 30. I say when you're good enough to go, you go. This goes for all sports. I hate that the NBA forces the guys to be a year removed from high school and that the NFL forces the guys to be three years removed from high school. See Marcus Lattimore for an example.
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4/2/2015 10:46am
16 to be a pro... a lot of the mainstream watch for the crashes anyway, Evil used to pack them in.
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4/2/2015 11:32am
They already tried it a few years ago and raised the age to 18. It didn't go over well so it was changed back to 16.
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4/2/2015 11:33am
I think the lowest age should be 18, but not for any safety reasons. They did put a rule into affect that was going to make it 18 eventually but they dropped it because of Roczen if I remember correctly.
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4/2/2015 11:35am
newage wrote:
Their is a 17 yr old racing F1... just sayin
Straight out of gokarts.
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4/2/2015 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2015 12:11pm
Grizz wrote:
I think the lowest age should be 18, but not for any safety reasons. They did put a rule into affect that was going to make...
I think the lowest age should be 18, but not for any safety reasons. They did put a rule into affect that was going to make it 18 eventually but they dropped it because of Roczen if I remember correctly.
You remember correctly. Where was all the outrage when the 18 minimum went poof? Oh yeah there wasn't any.........it will be a miracle if the insurance industry doesn't kill us. Sometimes however when I read of yet another head on collision at a track or a rider hitting track equipment or some other dumb azz thing that has happened previously ( but we are too dumb/into the sport to pull our heads out of our rears ) I can relate to the people that hopes this sport goes away.

We have without a doubt the hardest sport in the world with the modern day version of the Roman gladiators and we should be working on reducing the preventable accidents from happening. It isn't rocket science but I put a lot of blame on the racing is dangerous get used to it or go play another sport crowd. I can assume these people are not parents and I would love to know if this head in the sand crowd is made up of more professional practice riders or actual racers?

To me it is the MX creed to ride to the best of my abilities, to represent the sport of MX positively out there in the stick and ball world and to do what I can to keep the sport growing so other families can experience what the Rigdon , Alderton, Deselle and so many other families did in Ohio in the 70s. I can't do that in good conscience now given track design and flagging issues at so many tracks today........but I am still and will always be a MX evangelist.

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I posted this before: The AMA can simply require all new "PRO" riders to have a high school diploma or GED. This would insure parents must focus energy on making sure kids finish school. This would make these riders better able to handle the pro ranks when they get their license. It is a very easy thing to do. Or even require both the diploma and 18yr old age limit! It won't fix all of the problems we see but it might just help relax some of the problems that have become talking points lately.

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