Bubba the real numbers

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I read on different forums, facebook, etc. People stating that if Bubba was her this year, that Dungey would not be walking away with the championship. I personally think they are crazy. Dungey is at the top of his game at the moment. Bubba has not won a championship in 6 years!

Rocket Robin put these numbers together, and they pretty much tell the story on Bubba.

Bubba is another crazy assumption and he's shown clearly that he's not consistent enough to win a SX title for the past 5 years straight. Looking at Recent history:

2014 - Dungey - 2nd, rode every race 304 points, Bubba - 4th, rode every race 272 points
2013 - Dungey - 3rd, rode every race 337 points, Bubba - 10th, missed last 3 races 174 points (Give him 3 wins, and it's only 249 points)
2012 - Dungey - 3rd, missed 5 races 257 points, Bubba - 7th, missed 6 races 178 points (Give him 1 win and it's only 203 points)
2011 - Dungey - 3rd, rode every race 328 points, Bubba - 4th, rode every race 301 points
2010 - Dungey - 1st, rode every race 363 points, Bubba - 20th, Missed 14 races 51 points
2009 - Dungey - Rode 250SX class, Bubba - 1st, raced every race 377 points

So every year that Dungey has ridden in the 450 class, he has beaten Bubba every time in heads up competition. Including twice where they each rode every race in the SX season. And another season where they each missed a similar amount (5 races for Dungey, 6 Races for Bubba) even if we give Bubba a 25 point win for the extra race missed that season, Dungey still beats him. The season that Bubba missed the last 3 races, if we let him win all three hypothetically, he still doesn't beat Dungey on the year.

Where does it make sense that Bubba would beat Dungey Heads up this year now that he is at the tail end of his career as a professional racer while Dungey is in the prime of his? It simply doesn't. Sure Bubba would win another SX Main or 2, but he wouldn't win the Championship.
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3/30/2015 8:14pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2015 8:15pm
You're just racist












kidding of course. Good number crunching right there.
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3/30/2015 8:15pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2015 8:16pm
I think the main thing is he would add to the competition. 5 Wins last year compared to Dungeys 1... Hard to say Stewart would not beat him a bunch.

And Common "A main or 2" the guy Smoked Dungey a bunch last year, more than Dungey smoked him. Dungey was just way more consistent.
3/30/2015 8:16pm
it doesn't and it won't make sense because he isn't out there.
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3/30/2015 8:19pm
You have to be there all season to win Championships though.

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John250 wrote:
You have to be there all season to win Championships though.
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a bunch. He actually would have placed ahead of Dungey in the championship last year if he didnt hit Alessi's bars and have the Suspension issue. He had a bunch of DNF's and that is why I think Dungey would have still beat him but dude, Stewart would have been a contender.
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Flex wrote:
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a...
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a bunch. He actually would have placed ahead of Dungey in the championship last year if he didnt hit Alessi's bars and have the Suspension issue. He had a bunch of DNF's and that is why I think Dungey would have still beat him but dude, Stewart would have been a contender.
pretty much spot on... Bubba had more than one bad race that set him back, whereas Dungey wasnt as fast, but didnt run into trouble. I agree that Dungey might have still have him covered this season as far as points, but had Stewie been there winning a few races, Dunge might not have been able to pull out such a lead in the points.
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3/30/2015 8:42pm
2010 Bubba had a broken scaphoid every other year RV won the SX title. Huh
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Flex wrote:
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a...
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a bunch. He actually would have placed ahead of Dungey in the championship last year if he didnt hit Alessi's bars and have the Suspension issue. He had a bunch of DNF's and that is why I think Dungey would have still beat him but dude, Stewart would have been a contender.
mx256va wrote:
pretty much spot on... Bubba had more than one bad race that set him back, whereas Dungey wasnt as fast, but didnt run into trouble. I...
pretty much spot on... Bubba had more than one bad race that set him back, whereas Dungey wasnt as fast, but didnt run into trouble. I agree that Dungey might have still have him covered this season as far as points, but had Stewie been there winning a few races, Dunge might not have been able to pull out such a lead in the points.
Exactly, last year Bubba looked great on the Factory Suzuki more often than not.
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3/30/2015 8:47pm
Dungey either wins or podiums most of the time. Stewart either wins or doesn't finish. It's that simple. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which is more successful points wise at the end of the season.

Stewart can win any given race. He's one of the best speed wise. But how anyone can argue that he has had issues with finishing a whole series since jumping to the big boy class is beyond me.
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3/30/2015 8:55pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2015 9:02pm
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450.

9.33

2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2009 - 1st Supercross - Yamaha
2008 - 1st Motocross - Kawasaki
2008 - 23rd Supercross - Kawasaki
2007 - 7th Motocross - Kawasaki
2007 - 1st Supercross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Motocross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Supercross - Kawasaki
2005 - 12th Motocross - Kawasaki
2005 - 10th Supercross - Kawasaki
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3/30/2015 10:08pm
RandyS wrote:
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450. 9.33 2014 - 9th AMA Motocross -...
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450.

9.33

2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2009 - 1st Supercross - Yamaha
2008 - 1st Motocross - Kawasaki
2008 - 23rd Supercross - Kawasaki
2007 - 7th Motocross - Kawasaki
2007 - 1st Supercross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Motocross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Supercross - Kawasaki
2005 - 12th Motocross - Kawasaki
2005 - 10th Supercross - Kawasaki
I guess I knew that, but still shocking for some reason.
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3/30/2015 10:52pm
RandyS wrote:
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450. 9.33 2014 - 9th AMA Motocross -...
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450.

9.33

2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2009 - 1st Supercross - Yamaha
2008 - 1st Motocross - Kawasaki
2008 - 23rd Supercross - Kawasaki
2007 - 7th Motocross - Kawasaki
2007 - 1st Supercross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Motocross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Supercross - Kawasaki
2005 - 12th Motocross - Kawasaki
2005 - 10th Supercross - Kawasaki
2006 he was 2nd in SX
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3/30/2015 10:54pm
The beauty of this forum is you can see people's previous posts about certain riders, it makes it so much easier to figure out their motives.
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3/30/2015 11:18pm
RandyS wrote:
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450. 9.33 2014 - 9th AMA Motocross -...
Here's some numbers, certainly hall of fame, hardly at the top. Average finish in 18 championships started on 250/450.

9.33

2014 - 9th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2014 - 4th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2013 - 5th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2013 - 10th AMA Supercross - Suzuki
2012 - 11th AMA Motocross - Suzuki
2012 - 7th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2011 - 4th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2010 - 35th AMA Motocross - Yamaha
2010 - 20th AMA Supercross - Yamaha
2009 - 1st Supercross - Yamaha
2008 - 1st Motocross - Kawasaki
2008 - 23rd Supercross - Kawasaki
2007 - 7th Motocross - Kawasaki
2007 - 1st Supercross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Motocross - Kawasaki
2006 - 4th Supercross - Kawasaki
2005 - 12th Motocross - Kawasaki
2005 - 10th Supercross - Kawasaki
kongols wrote:
2006 he was 2nd in SX
You are correct, he also got 10th outdoors in 2005. I copied that from a random website. From the RX Vault, he has raced 18 series on big bikes with an average finish of 9.05.
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RandyS wrote:
You are correct, he also got 10th outdoors in 2005. I copied that from a random website. From the RX Vault, he has raced 18 series...
You are correct, he also got 10th outdoors in 2005. I copied that from a random website. From the RX Vault, he has raced 18 series on big bikes with an average finish of 9.05.
Do you believe he was 10th fastest in 2005 outdoors?
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3/30/2015 11:29pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2015 11:34pm
RandyS wrote:
You are correct, he also got 10th outdoors in 2005. I copied that from a random website. From the RX Vault, he has raced 18 series...
You are correct, he also got 10th outdoors in 2005. I copied that from a random website. From the RX Vault, he has raced 18 series on big bikes with an average finish of 9.05.
kongols wrote:
Do you believe he was 10th fastest in 2005 outdoors?
I believe he was 10th best in the 2005 series. They don't give payouts for being the fastest. I didn't start the thread. I have no problem with James Stewart, at one point he was one of my favorite riders. I have a problem with fanboys who want to award him honors he never earned, taking away from the riders who did earn them.
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RandyS wrote:
I believe he was 10th best in the 2005 series. They don't give payouts for being the fastest. I didn't start the thread. I have no...
I believe he was 10th best in the 2005 series. They don't give payouts for being the fastest. I didn't start the thread. I have no problem with James Stewart, at one point he was one of my favorite riders. I have a problem with fanboys who want to award him honors he never earned, taking away from the riders who did earn them.
Give me example.
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RandyS wrote:
I believe he was 10th best in the 2005 series. They don't give payouts for being the fastest. I didn't start the thread. I have no...
I believe he was 10th best in the 2005 series. They don't give payouts for being the fastest. I didn't start the thread. I have no problem with James Stewart, at one point he was one of my favorite riders. I have a problem with fanboys who want to award him honors he never earned, taking away from the riders who did earn them.
kongols wrote:
Give me example.
That would take more work than I'm willing to do at 11:45 at night, Vital/Motodrive has been full of it over the years. Start with any thread referencing an *.
3/31/2015 12:30am
Stewarts case is a little different. He doesnt have the numbers if looked at like this but everyone knows hes the single most talented rider weve seen.
3/31/2015 1:30am
Ryan Dungey didn't pass James Stewart in points last year until April 26.

That's still a month away.

Dungey's running on a lot of confidence right now, which would be not insignificantly reduced if JS, who himself would be enjoying a nice rise in confidence from RV's absence, was on the line.

But RD might very well still have won the title. He definitely will now. 'Night.
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3/31/2015 1:41am
Here is a different set of numbers. Not a hall of famer, my ass.

Other thread
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nytsmaC wrote:
Here is a different set of numbers. Not a hall of famer, my ass.

Other thread
Those are interesting stats. Another one someone put up a while back was when RC, JS and Reed all raced SX against each other, out of 32 races JS won 16, RC won 8 and Reed won 4. I don't think they said who won the other 4. I'm not sure if it was accurate, but if it was its surprising how many JS won.
As for Stewart's career, it really seemed to take a hit when he was riding the new generation Yamaha, but at least he was able to win some races on it also.
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3/31/2015 4:16am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2015 5:24am
nytsmaC wrote:
Here is a different set of numbers. Not a hall of famer, my ass.

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gsxrcr28 wrote:
Those are interesting stats. Another one someone put up a while back was when RC, JS and Reed all raced SX against each other, out of...
Those are interesting stats. Another one someone put up a while back was when RC, JS and Reed all raced SX against each other, out of 32 races JS won 16, RC won 8 and Reed won 4. I don't think they said who won the other 4. I'm not sure if it was accurate, but if it was its surprising how many JS won.
As for Stewart's career, it really seemed to take a hit when he was riding the new generation Yamaha, but at least he was able to win some races on it also.
That year Yamaha sucked big time. It slowed him down as he struggled with it. Should have stayed green I believe.

That was my captain obvious impression......Sad
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3/31/2015 5:38am
y only point is, people are stating, he would have walked away with the championship this season. I don't believe that at all. He has spent more time off the track than on the track (racing). He has not won a championship since 2009, 6 years. He is on the down side of his career. And Dungey is on the top of his.

I just don't buy anyone that says he would have won it this season if not for the suspension. The numbers show otherwise.
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3/31/2015 5:46am
James would add some spice to the gumbo.
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John250 wrote:
You have to be there all season to win Championships though.
Flex wrote:
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a...
I think Dungey would still win this championship, but Stewart would get more than "A win or 2" considering that he waxed Dungey last year a bunch. He actually would have placed ahead of Dungey in the championship last year if he didnt hit Alessi's bars and have the Suspension issue. He had a bunch of DNF's and that is why I think Dungey would have still beat him but dude, Stewart would have been a contender.
304 points > 273 points shows that Dungey 'waxed' Stewart a lot more times than the opposite....
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3/31/2015 5:55am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2015 5:56am
Stewarts case is a little different. He doesnt have the numbers if looked at like this but everyone knows hes the single most talented rider weve...
Stewarts case is a little different. He doesnt have the numbers if looked at like this but everyone knows hes the single most talented rider weve seen.
Agreed . Why do some get so defensive over this? And despite these numbers I do think he's HOF.
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huck wrote:
304 points > 273 points shows that Dungey 'waxed' Stewart a lot more times than the opposite....
1 win compared to 5.
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huck wrote:
304 points > 273 points shows that Dungey 'waxed' Stewart a lot more times than the opposite....
Flex wrote:
1 win compared to 5.
2nd in points compared to 4th in points.

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