GP of Argentina: Race day bench racing!

ocscottie wrote:

mmm mmm pancakes anyone?

Rick M. wrote:

RV is going to be better 2nd moto, trust me. And all you guys who say he's a 4th to 6th guy, shut your fucking face...

RV is going to be better 2nd moto, trust me. And all you guys who say he's a 4th to 6th guy, shut your fucking face up. It's his 3rd fucking round of his LIFE in the GP's. And he's getting top 5's. That's enough to make all your Euro racers look like pussies. I'm sad for all you guys when he hits his stride in a few rounds!!

YamahaJT1 wrote:

Not all of us...

Idiots know no geographical boundaries... They are everywhere! The real skill is learning how to dodge them!

YamahaJT1 wrote:

Not all of us...

Idiots know no geographical boundaries... They are everywhere! The real skill is learning how to dodge them!

Rick M. wrote:

RV is going to be better 2nd moto, trust me. And all you guys who say he's a 4th to 6th guy, shut your fucking face...

RV is going to be better 2nd moto, trust me. And all you guys who say he's a 4th to 6th guy, shut your fucking face up. It's his 3rd fucking round of his LIFE in the GP's. And he's getting top 5's. That's enough to make all your Euro racers look like pussies. I'm sad for all you guys when he hits his stride in a few rounds!!

ByronFRiday wrote:

x2 You have a grasp of perspective and reality!

aFACEdismembered wrote:

Poto only had to race Dungey for a full outdoor series when he was healthy over here. He essentially has 5-6 Dungey's to race against now...

Poto only had to race Dungey for a full outdoor series when he was healthy over here. He essentially has 5-6 Dungey's to race against now. There was no Stewart, Tomac, Barcia, Roczen, Reed Chadapulted himself, no Canard, a lot of guys were hurt, sitting out or in 250's.

Not an excuse. There's just more guys capable of running his pace, or close to it. It's not 2013 or 2011. He won't blitz through the pack with a bad start in this series. The time delta's are just to close.

ByronFRiday wrote:

x2 You have a grasp of perspective and reality!

Rowlands wrote:

Just ignore it. You won't win they will never give credit to euros so don't waste your time

Rowlands wrote:

Sorry I was aiming at the people that post the bullshit, I know not every American is a clown I realize there are some plumbs in...

Sorry I was aiming at the people that post the bullshit, I know not every American is a clown
I realize there are some plumbs in GBR aswell

Rick M. wrote:

RV is going to be better 2nd moto, trust me. And all you guys who say he's a 4th to 6th guy, shut your fucking face...

RV is going to be better 2nd moto, trust me. And all you guys who say he's a 4th to 6th guy, shut your fucking face up. It's his 3rd fucking round of his LIFE in the GP's. And he's getting top 5's. That's enough to make all your Euro racers look like pussies. I'm sad for all you guys when he hits his stride in a few rounds!!

ByronFRiday wrote:

x2 You have a grasp of perspective and reality!

Ninurta wrote:

RV for the second race win and Desalle 2nd, I can live with that

Jefro98 wrote:

I don't know if somebody mentioned it already but I saw a spectator vid on IG where it looked liked Jonass hit Herlings from behind in...

I don't know if somebody mentioned it already but I saw a spectator vid on IG where it looked liked Jonass hit Herlings from behind in mid air causing Herlings to crash.
Anybody see that?

Jefro98 wrote:

I don't know if somebody mentioned it already but I saw a spectator vid on IG where it looked liked Jonass hit Herlings from behind in...

I don't know if somebody mentioned it already but I saw a spectator vid on IG where it looked liked Jonass hit Herlings from behind in mid air causing Herlings to crash.
Anybody see that?

Surly100 wrote:

I said this a while back - no disrespect to Villopoto or any of the riders he beat, but in motocross at least, was he competing...

I said this a while back - no disrespect to Villopoto or any of the riders he beat, but in motocross at least, was he competing against any other elite guys who were 1) at their peak and 2) consistently healthy?

When you look at the overall top tens for both of those seasons, Dungey is the only name that stands out (and Dungey wasn't at his peak). That relative lack of competition perhaps made him look more dominant than he might've in other years.

And that's not an anti-AMA thing, because i'd say the same about Herlings. He utterly destroyed the GP field in 2013, and it made him look nigh on unbeatable, but was there really much competition for him once Searle had moved up? The short answer to that is: no. All the other guys were either young and learning, or never that fast to start with.

There's no way he'd have been as dominant in the AMA lites that year, against people of the calibre of Roczen, Tomac, Musquin and Baggett.

I do think that overall, the AMAs and the GPs are about equal in terms of talent, with the GPs being stronger in some years, and the AMAs stronger in others.

Villopoto maybe won his titles when American motocross wasn't as strong as it had been in previous years, as evidenced by no MxDN wins since 2011.

Still an awesome rider, but not massively superior to the top GP guys, if he's even superior at all.

Rowlands wrote:

Just ignore it. You won't win they will never give credit to euros so don't waste your time

blusmbl wrote:

This thread could be a textbook case study as to why the rest of the world doesn't care for Americans because of our arrogance, lol The...

This thread could be a textbook case study as to why the rest of the world doesn't care for Americans because of our arrogance, lol

The GP competition is legit. They don't spend half their year practicing Supercross, outdoor mx is their bread and butter. You don't win 8 world championships without being an absolute badass on a dirtbike. Nothing is wrong with RV, he is just one of the top 5 guys, period. I would be shocked if he was going 1-1's consistently by the end of the year, the competition is too good. He'll be trading moto wins but I do not see anybody winning by 30 seconds in the MXGP class.

Motocross83 wrote:

Subject to it not being some mechanical problem we don't know about I think the issue is bike set-up. The GP and AMA Nationals have become...

Subject to it not being some mechanical problem we don't know about I think the issue is bike set-up. The GP and AMA Nationals have become more and more separated over the past 10 - 15 years to the point now where the style of riding and bike set-up required are poles apart. Doesn't mean that Ryan won't still be up there (just as Desalle is still fast when he rides a National) because a fast rider is a fast rider. But it's harder for a native of one series (for lack of a better term) to switch from one to the other. Roczen is an example going the other way.

A lot of people seemed to not pick up on this but after the 2nd race in Thailand Ryan did say that along with expending too much energy in the qualifier, the track itself wasn't the same track after the first moto. In other words I think you can read from that, that it began to resemble a National less and less as the weekend went on, and started to favour the other guys more. With the title in mind this is something he'll have to crack soon because it'll only get worse in Europe.

With all that said, it doesn't matter yet. The season is still early, Ryan is still scoring nice points and you can never count a rider of his calibre out - he's incredible. Hell, perhaps he'll win moto 2, no one knows. If he can make some progress with the bike then there is still time (we're only on rd 3) to win races. I don't think he'll quite win the title imo, but he can at least score some more wins. Regardless, huge props to Ryan for coming over and injecting new life into the series. The racing is incredible.

Motocross83 wrote:

Subject to it not being some mechanical problem we don't know about I think the issue is bike set-up. The GP and AMA Nationals have become...

Subject to it not being some mechanical problem we don't know about I think the issue is bike set-up. The GP and AMA Nationals have become more and more separated over the past 10 - 15 years to the point now where the style of riding and bike set-up required are poles apart. Doesn't mean that Ryan won't still be up there (just as Desalle is still fast when he rides a National) because a fast rider is a fast rider. But it's harder for a native of one series (for lack of a better term) to switch from one to the other. Roczen is an example going the other way.

A lot of people seemed to not pick up on this but after the 2nd race in Thailand Ryan did say that along with expending too much energy in the qualifier, the track itself wasn't the same track after the first moto. In other words I think you can read from that, that it began to resemble a National less and less as the weekend went on, and started to favour the other guys more. With the title in mind this is something he'll have to crack soon because it'll only get worse in Europe.

With all that said, it doesn't matter yet. The season is still early, Ryan is still scoring nice points and you can never count a rider of his calibre out - he's incredible. Hell, perhaps he'll win moto 2, no one knows. If he can make some progress with the bike then there is still time (we're only on rd 3) to win races. I don't think he'll quite win the title imo, but he can at least score some more wins. Regardless, huge props to Ryan for coming over and injecting new life into the series. The racing is incredible.