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3/13/2015 8:01am Edited Date/Time 3/13/2015 8:03am
Sorry but Paulin the guy that is a "sand master", the same guy who eli tomac was 3+ seconds a lap faster than at Latvia? If...
Sorry but Paulin the guy that is a "sand master", the same guy who eli tomac was 3+ seconds a lap faster than at Latvia? If eli didn't crash at the start then stall his bike, he would have been 20+ seconds ahead. If you think Paulin will beat RV at lommel, pass the good shit over here...
philG wrote:
you seem to forget that Paulin went 1-1.. and they won, he didnt need to try , he just needed to bring it home. while Tomac...
you seem to forget that Paulin went 1-1.. and they won, he didnt need to try , he just needed to bring it home. while Tomac was riding like a kid who was scared to go back to the pits cos he would get a whupping off of his dad. (Tomac was hauling , but he had no choice, up till Simpson broke a chain with 5 mins left , all his board would have said was 'no podium') ..





Just for the record Tomacs fastest lap was only 1.8 seconds quicker, but 3+ seconds definitely sounds better.
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Sorry but Paulin the guy that is a "sand master", the same guy who eli tomac was 3+ seconds a lap faster than at Latvia? If...
Sorry but Paulin the guy that is a "sand master", the same guy who eli tomac was 3+ seconds a lap faster than at Latvia? If eli didn't crash at the start then stall his bike, he would have been 20+ seconds ahead. If you think Paulin will beat RV at lommel, pass the good shit over here...
philG wrote:
you seem to forget that Paulin went 1-1.. and they won, he didnt need to try , he just needed to bring it home. while Tomac...
you seem to forget that Paulin went 1-1.. and they won, he didnt need to try , he just needed to bring it home. while Tomac was riding like a kid who was scared to go back to the pits cos he would get a whupping off of his dad. (Tomac was hauling , but he had no choice, up till Simpson broke a chain with 5 mins left , all his board would have said was 'no podium') ..





And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
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3/13/2015 9:24am Edited Date/Time 3/13/2015 9:38am
It would be awesome if the GP that was suppose to be held in Brazil will be held at Lierop instead and Herlings decides to race the big boys class. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he would lap RV2 on that track. And that's not to bash on RV but if he gets say a fifth I'd say there is quite a good chance of him getting lapped..

But Cairoli is no Herlings, so wouldn't be impossible to beat Cairoli at Lommel. But I really really doubt he will..
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Sorry but Paulin the guy that is a "sand master", the same guy who eli tomac was 3+ seconds a lap faster than at Latvia? If...
Sorry but Paulin the guy that is a "sand master", the same guy who eli tomac was 3+ seconds a lap faster than at Latvia? If eli didn't crash at the start then stall his bike, he would have been 20+ seconds ahead. If you think Paulin will beat RV at lommel, pass the good shit over here...
philG wrote:
you seem to forget that Paulin went 1-1.. and they won, he didnt need to try , he just needed to bring it home. while Tomac...
you seem to forget that Paulin went 1-1.. and they won, he didnt need to try , he just needed to bring it home. while Tomac was riding like a kid who was scared to go back to the pits cos he would get a whupping off of his dad. (Tomac was hauling , but he had no choice, up till Simpson broke a chain with 5 mins left , all his board would have said was 'no podium') ..





Titan1 wrote:
And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
Isn't that funny? The same situation can happen to both sides, and when it does, they always seem to spin it to favor the opinion of the poster.

"Oh he was just cruising for the win, its a team event"

"Oh he passed him! That american sucks, our guys are faster"

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3/13/2015 10:27am
I feel like riding in sand is a lot like SX. Takes a lot of practice to get good at it.

A 10th place RV would be respectable, just like a 10th place finish for Herlings or Carioli in SX would be fine
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BroFoSho wrote:
I feel like riding in sand is a lot like SX. Takes a lot of practice to get good at it. A 10th place RV would...
I feel like riding in sand is a lot like SX. Takes a lot of practice to get good at it.

A 10th place RV would be respectable, just like a 10th place finish for Herlings or Carioli in SX would be fine
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Titan1 wrote:
And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
Then why was his fastest lap of the weekend on the last lap of the last race..
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3/13/2015 10:58am
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Yeah, cause Ryan Villopoto can't make that track his bitch... Dry

Honestly, it doesn't look nearly as hard as some portray
philG wrote:
Thats because you are watching onboard with one of the best sand riders ever...
No, I was referring to the condition of the track, not the riding.
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3/13/2015 11:03am
I can not believe no one has a video of RV at Lommel???
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3/13/2015 11:05am Edited Date/Time 3/13/2015 11:07am
Mit12 wrote:
I can not believe no one has a video of RV at Lommel???
I can not believe no one has a video of RV at Lommel???
There is a very short clip of him riding a hard pack track in France;

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3/13/2015 11:14am
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No, I was referring to the condition of the track, not the riding.
Well he makes it look smooth... from the onboard it really hard to see how choppy and rutty it gets , or more importantly , how easy it is to lose your rhythm . When that flow goes , and you get a bit out of shape, its done.

If you watched an onboard from someone slower , its a different place LOL

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3/13/2015 11:56am
Really guys, really? Some of you make me lose my faith in MX community Huh Dry
3/13/2015 12:19pm
RV is extremely fast in the sand. His bike will sound like no other. Good luck to the GP riders because no rider on this side...
RV is extremely fast in the sand. His bike will sound like no other. Good luck to the GP riders because no rider on this side of the Ocean can run his lap times on a sand track.
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Joke of the day...right
Actually Tomac can run RV's speed in the sand. In regard to RV's bike sounding like no other bike...that one is true.
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3/13/2015 1:06pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2015 1:11pm
Titan1 wrote:
And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
philG wrote:
Then why was his fastest lap of the weekend on the last lap of the last race..
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to try and get his heart rate up, maybe?
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Why is it the Brits are so vocal on this stuff? There are no Brits that can beat Villopoto...yet they are the loudest group. Interesting?
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3/13/2015 1:19pm
Titan1 wrote:
Why is it the Brits are so vocal on this stuff? There are no Brits that can beat Villopoto...yet they are the loudest group. Interesting?
Same reason.

When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american)

and when we beat anyone (from a certain country), its "America has such a large population and so many tracks that its easy for them to produce a top team/rider". They like to have it both ways and will choose one depending on what their opinion is at that time

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3/13/2015 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2015 1:31pm
Titan1 wrote:
Why is it the Brits are so vocal on this stuff? There are no Brits that can beat Villopoto...yet they are the loudest group. Interesting?
HOPSTOOPID wrote:
Same reason. When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american) and when we beat anyone (from a certain...
Same reason.

When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american)

and when we beat anyone (from a certain country), its "America has such a large population and so many tracks that its easy for them to produce a top team/rider". They like to have it both ways and will choose one depending on what their opinion is at that time

It's probably more to do with the simple fact that you share our language. Our own forum also went to shit a few years back.

The French, Italian, Latvian, Dutch etc members of Vital are all pretty good at discussing stuff in English, but I dare say they are the exception. I doubt it comes as easily to most of their friends.

Anyway, you guys lump all the "Eurotards" together, that's why we feel qualified to speak up.
3/13/2015 1:39pm
Titan1 wrote:
And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
philG wrote:
Then why was his fastest lap of the weekend on the last lap of the last race..
Titan1 wrote:
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to...
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to try and get his heart rate up, maybe?
he looked quite out of control for being bored tho^^

dumb discussion anyways
RV will be good anywhere, the question is HOW good. I don't think he can beat Cairoli and Herlings in the sand but if the bike is set up nicely and all I think he can get a podium. Can't wait to see him ride a track like this, should be interesting to see how he approaches it with his riding style.
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Titan1 wrote:
Why is it the Brits are so vocal on this stuff? There are no Brits that can beat Villopoto...yet they are the loudest group. Interesting?
because we are constantly being told that Stewart was the FMOTP.. and he wasnt..

To be fair to RV , he manned up and said he didnt have anything left to push in race 2 in Thailand, Stewart tried to make out he wasnt trying , when the watch , and the fact he was hanging off said otherwise. Hat tip to RV for that.


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Titan1 wrote:
And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
philG wrote:
Then why was his fastest lap of the weekend on the last lap of the last race..
To prove mericans' are in better shape
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3/13/2015 2:51pm
Titan1 wrote:
And James Stewart let Everts pass him because he didn't need to beat him for USA to win.
philG wrote:
Then why was his fastest lap of the weekend on the last lap of the last race..
Titan1 wrote:
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to...
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to try and get his heart rate up, maybe?
Of course this is the answer. Is there anybody more well known for going 90% for the team goals than JS7? Hell no. He is the ultimate team guy.
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3/13/2015 3:10pm
Actually Tomac can run RV's speed in the sand. In regard to RV's bike sounding like no other bike...that one is true.
RV's bike sounds like no other because he grabs a handful of throttle so early in the corner (pre apex when he is rolling) and he just stretches the cable all the way to the next shut off point with no interruption. I've never seen anybody RC included that backs up corners like Villipoto.
3/13/2015 3:30pm
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because we are constantly being told that Stewart was the FMOTP.. and he wasnt.. To be fair to RV , he manned up and said he...
because we are constantly being told that Stewart was the FMOTP.. and he wasnt..

To be fair to RV , he manned up and said he didnt have anything left to push in race 2 in Thailand, Stewart tried to make out he wasnt trying , when the watch , and the fact he was hanging off said otherwise. Hat tip to RV for that.


Putting aside the partisan nonsense on here I'd be interested to know who you think was faster than Stewart? Herlings and Tomac might just turn out to be faster but for now Stewart is surely on top of the 'incredibly talented' tree - just above JMB.

I agree with you about RV and anyone who thinks he'll be slow in the sand is just crazy. Whatever that special mix of talent, bravery, heart and mind is , Villopoto has it and in my opinion is only matched by Cairoli. Desalle is the bloke I want to win but I just can't see it happening against two of the best racers ever.



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Titan1 wrote:
Why is it the Brits are so vocal on this stuff? There are no Brits that can beat Villopoto...yet they are the loudest group. Interesting?
HOPSTOOPID wrote:
Same reason. When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american) and when we beat anyone (from a certain...
Same reason.

When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american)

and when we beat anyone (from a certain country), its "America has such a large population and so many tracks that its easy for them to produce a top team/rider". They like to have it both ways and will choose one depending on what their opinion is at that time

jamma10 wrote:
It's probably more to do with the simple fact that you share our language. Our own forum also went to shit a few years back. The...
It's probably more to do with the simple fact that you share our language. Our own forum also went to shit a few years back.

The French, Italian, Latvian, Dutch etc members of Vital are all pretty good at discussing stuff in English, but I dare say they are the exception. I doubt it comes as easily to most of their friends.

Anyway, you guys lump all the "Eurotards" together, that's why we feel qualified to speak up.
But you guys don't have a Brit that is even in the ball park of Cairoli or Villopoto...it just seems odd that you get to claim Cairoli when he's as much American as he British, right?
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3/13/2015 3:53pm
philG wrote:
Then why was his fastest lap of the weekend on the last lap of the last race..
Titan1 wrote:
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to...
Because he was bored cruising around at 90% the entire race for the team win, and decided to put the hammer down for one lap to try and get his heart rate up, maybe?
crusty_xx wrote:
he looked quite out of control for being bored tho^^ dumb discussion anyways RV will be good anywhere, the question is HOW good. I don't think...
he looked quite out of control for being bored tho^^

dumb discussion anyways
RV will be good anywhere, the question is HOW good. I don't think he can beat Cairoli and Herlings in the sand but if the bike is set up nicely and all I think he can get a podium. Can't wait to see him ride a track like this, should be interesting to see how he approaches it with his riding style.
My point is that its just as dumb for PhilG to claim Paulin was cruising for the team win when Tomac was faster as it is for an American to claim Stewart was cruising for the team win when Everts was faster. It is a dumb discussion.

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3/13/2015 3:54pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2015 3:54pm
philG wrote:
because we are constantly being told that Stewart was the FMOTP.. and he wasnt.. To be fair to RV , he manned up and said he...
because we are constantly being told that Stewart was the FMOTP.. and he wasnt..

To be fair to RV , he manned up and said he didnt have anything left to push in race 2 in Thailand, Stewart tried to make out he wasnt trying , when the watch , and the fact he was hanging off said otherwise. Hat tip to RV for that.


So because Everts passed Stewart at an MXDN race it proves Everts was the FMOTP? By that logic Kevin Windham was better than Everts because he beat him at the USGP at Budds Creek. But most logical people would know that's not a true statement either because Everts was racing a foreign track with Budds Creek just like Stewart going overseas and doing MXDN in Europe.

Remember this in 1999?

Kevin decided to race the USGP being held at Budd's Creek, MD only three days prior to the event. European Champion and motocross hero overseas Stefan Everts made a comment concerning the top US racers deciding not to race the GP, rather to focus on the US races and the time off the week end allowed. Everts said he thought the US racers were being cowards. This angered Kevin Windham greatly. Stefan Everts at the time was one of the toughest racers to beat. Kevin went on to dominate the race and left no doubt that Everts had nothing for him on that day.
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Actually Tomac can run RV's speed in the sand. In regard to RV's bike sounding like no other bike...that one is true.
RV's bike sounds like no other because he grabs a handful of throttle so early in the corner (pre apex when he is rolling) and he...
RV's bike sounds like no other because he grabs a handful of throttle so early in the corner (pre apex when he is rolling) and he just stretches the cable all the way to the next shut off point with no interruption. I've never seen anybody RC included that backs up corners like Villipoto.
Aint that the truth!
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Windam went 3 -1 in '99. Wasn't quite "dominating."
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HOPSTOOPID wrote:
Same reason. When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american) and when we beat anyone (from a certain...
Same reason.

When anyone beats an american its "our guys are faster" (and "our" can include anyone non-american)

and when we beat anyone (from a certain country), its "America has such a large population and so many tracks that its easy for them to produce a top team/rider". They like to have it both ways and will choose one depending on what their opinion is at that time

jamma10 wrote:
It's probably more to do with the simple fact that you share our language. Our own forum also went to shit a few years back. The...
It's probably more to do with the simple fact that you share our language. Our own forum also went to shit a few years back.

The French, Italian, Latvian, Dutch etc members of Vital are all pretty good at discussing stuff in English, but I dare say they are the exception. I doubt it comes as easily to most of their friends.

Anyway, you guys lump all the "Eurotards" together, that's why we feel qualified to speak up.
Titan1 wrote:
But you guys don't have a Brit that is even in the ball park of Cairoli or Villopoto...it just seems odd that you get to claim...
But you guys don't have a Brit that is even in the ball park of Cairoli or Villopoto...it just seems odd that you get to claim Cairoli when he's as much American as he British, right?
You'd better ring Factory KTM and let them know.

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