Rm 125 Rescue & Restore (Finished with Pics)

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1/26/2015 5:07am
Hey guys its been a while but I have been playing the waiting game mostly. I bought Pivot works kits for the linkage and forks - the forks had a wrong size bushing which PW sent me and the linkage looks to be off of a 2002, and to top that of the last hole (which accepts bottom of shock) is ovalized so I need to get this punched out. Also popping a lot of tubes which has been hard on my blood pressure, but signs of progress are keeping me sane.





Got these a few weeks back Smile





I was removing the bolts for the shrouds from the tank, and I have all out except for the last one. The screw insert on the last one is spinning free not allowing me to screw out the bolt - Any Ideas? I'd prefer to not cut the shroud off since it is still in good shape. This is an example of how they are moving. Has anyone run into this before? I figured once I get the last one out, I could epoxy these inserts back into the tank to ensure they don't spin out in the future.



Getting started on this motor, lots of corrosion - the wire wheel on drill bit has been handy.





Removed clutch for inspection, ordering new plates and springs today.




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For your tank bolts, try a cordless impact. That has worked for me in the past. Just a quick hit, dont let it spin wildly. If that doesn't work, you will have to cut the shroud off the bolt to relieve the tension on the bolt. Then it should come out. At least then you could hit it with some PB and the impact, while putting pressure on the brass insert with a flat head screwdriver.
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I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended up with the rear break stuck on due to stripped bolts, and I can't seem to get the bottom triple clamp off the frame either. How did you end up taking it off? Is there some kind of trick to it?
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liamjumper wrote:
I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended...
I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended up with the rear break stuck on due to stripped bolts, and I can't seem to get the bottom triple clamp off the frame either. How did you end up taking it off? Is there some kind of trick to it?
Awesome dude, the struggle is real haha. Sounds like yours wasn't in the best condition either.

My bottom triple clamp and steerer tube were stuck in the frame as well, not sure if the bearing seized to the race or what. Anyways I used a piece of wood and hammer to smash the steerer tube down and break it free. It wasn't budging at first, so I hit it harder Wink

I hope I answered your question, feel free to ask more or share any advice - sounds like we've hit a lot of the same issues.

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liamjumper wrote:
I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended...
I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended up with the rear break stuck on due to stripped bolts, and I can't seem to get the bottom triple clamp off the frame either. How did you end up taking it off? Is there some kind of trick to it?
K-dubbb wrote:
Awesome dude, the struggle is real haha. Sounds like yours wasn't in the best condition either. My bottom triple clamp and steerer tube were stuck in...
Awesome dude, the struggle is real haha. Sounds like yours wasn't in the best condition either.

My bottom triple clamp and steerer tube were stuck in the frame as well, not sure if the bearing seized to the race or what. Anyways I used a piece of wood and hammer to smash the steerer tube down and break it free. It wasn't budging at first, so I hit it harder Wink

I hope I answered your question, feel free to ask more or share any advice - sounds like we've hit a lot of the same issues.

I'll give that a try as soon as I get home! Ordered all new bearings anyways so not really scared of wrecking them. Yeah it wasn't in the greatest shape when I picked it up, but not nearly as rough as this one. I started a forum on mine as well if you wanna check it out. I'm just waiting for a big order of parts to come in! Perhaps well go to each other if we run into any issues haha.
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liamjumper wrote:
I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended...
I'm in the middle of restoring a rm125 too and its funny, as I stripped the frame down it ended up exactly like yours. I ended up with the rear break stuck on due to stripped bolts, and I can't seem to get the bottom triple clamp off the frame either. How did you end up taking it off? Is there some kind of trick to it?
K-dubbb wrote:
Awesome dude, the struggle is real haha. Sounds like yours wasn't in the best condition either. My bottom triple clamp and steerer tube were stuck in...
Awesome dude, the struggle is real haha. Sounds like yours wasn't in the best condition either.

My bottom triple clamp and steerer tube were stuck in the frame as well, not sure if the bearing seized to the race or what. Anyways I used a piece of wood and hammer to smash the steerer tube down and break it free. It wasn't budging at first, so I hit it harder Wink

I hope I answered your question, feel free to ask more or share any advice - sounds like we've hit a lot of the same issues.

liamjumper wrote:
I'll give that a try as soon as I get home! Ordered all new bearings anyways so not really scared of wrecking them. Yeah it wasn't...
I'll give that a try as soon as I get home! Ordered all new bearings anyways so not really scared of wrecking them. Yeah it wasn't in the greatest shape when I picked it up, but not nearly as rough as this one. I started a forum on mine as well if you wanna check it out. I'm just waiting for a big order of parts to come in! Perhaps well go to each other if we run into any issues haha.
Awesome dude I'll keep on it, all the best.

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It's coming along really nicely, I really like the yellow frame. Did you get the Yoshi graphics in the end, dude?
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It's coming along really nicely, I really like the yellow frame. Did you get the Yoshi graphics in the end, dude?
Thanks man, I haven't ordered the kit yet but it is the Kit I will be getting. I need to get my cushion lever fixed up at a machine shop and waiting for other parts. But it is coming!
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So I got the rear end on this weekend and the bike is starting to show some shape!


I found a dent in my head pipe, and got some other things to be ordered but progress is happening. I have been doing a lot of cleaning on the motor, so much corrosion. Anyways I ordered new cylinder cover seals since it was leaking. The guy I got the bike from had receipts for a fresh top and bottom end, supposedly with only 2 tanks of gas ran through it. When I got the bike it had a ton of compression and started first kick at all temperatures every time.

I don't know very much about the internals, I come from a mountain biking background so the chassis stuff comes pretty natural - and this is where my confidence/competence derails a bit. Anyways here are some pictures of the top of the piston, cylinder walls, and underneath the cover. I wouldn't know what I was looking for if it was staring me right in the face - so any observations/suggestions/thoughts would be nice. Ultimately, I was planning on just putting the cover back on, rip it for 6-8 hours and do a top end rebuild - probably go 144 on the second one around during winter when I have time to send it away







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The motor looks a little tired, much more than 2 tanks of gas have run through that bike. The head has all those little nicks in it and shows signs of pre detonation. A good motor guy can deck that head and fix it! If you're not looking to go that route I would buy a new one! If I were you I'd take the cylinder off and have it honed, looks to be quite a few scratches in it. If that doesn't work you can send it out to get replated! DO NOT make it into a 144, they turn into ticking time bombs when they are bored over. Spend your money on a good port job, some race fuel, and PROPER jetting! The rest of the bike is coming out awesome! I re-did a 2003 rm 250 and went with the yellow frame as well! Your frame came out a little more "white" than my did but still looks awesome! You're going to love that bike, they handle like a dream!!

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The motor looks a little tired, much more than 2 tanks of gas have run through that bike. The head has all those little nicks in...
The motor looks a little tired, much more than 2 tanks of gas have run through that bike. The head has all those little nicks in it and shows signs of pre detonation. A good motor guy can deck that head and fix it! If you're not looking to go that route I would buy a new one! If I were you I'd take the cylinder off and have it honed, looks to be quite a few scratches in it. If that doesn't work you can send it out to get replated! DO NOT make it into a 144, they turn into ticking time bombs when they are bored over. Spend your money on a good port job, some race fuel, and PROPER jetting! The rest of the bike is coming out awesome! I re-did a 2003 rm 250 and went with the yellow frame as well! Your frame came out a little more "white" than my did but still looks awesome! You're going to love that bike, they handle like a dream!!

Johnboy
Thanks for the advice.

I will see who I can find for a quote on this cylinder head, If I can get it done for under $50 I will, otherwise I will just order a new one.

If I was to order a fresh top end kit plus expectations to get the cylinder honed - how would I size the piston rings? Would I need honing specs first? Thanks a lot for the response.

I am really looking forward to getting some seat time on this thing, I know it's going to be a momentum game aboard it, but it will be a good learning experience and a a whole lot of fun hearing her scream!
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The motor looks a little tired, much more than 2 tanks of gas have run through that bike. The head has all those little nicks in...
The motor looks a little tired, much more than 2 tanks of gas have run through that bike. The head has all those little nicks in it and shows signs of pre detonation. A good motor guy can deck that head and fix it! If you're not looking to go that route I would buy a new one! If I were you I'd take the cylinder off and have it honed, looks to be quite a few scratches in it. If that doesn't work you can send it out to get replated! DO NOT make it into a 144, they turn into ticking time bombs when they are bored over. Spend your money on a good port job, some race fuel, and PROPER jetting! The rest of the bike is coming out awesome! I re-did a 2003 rm 250 and went with the yellow frame as well! Your frame came out a little more "white" than my did but still looks awesome! You're going to love that bike, they handle like a dream!!

Johnboy
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Thanks for the advice. I will see who I can find for a quote on this cylinder head, If I can get it done for under...
Thanks for the advice.

I will see who I can find for a quote on this cylinder head, If I can get it done for under $50 I will, otherwise I will just order a new one.

If I was to order a fresh top end kit plus expectations to get the cylinder honed - how would I size the piston rings? Would I need honing specs first? Thanks a lot for the response.

I am really looking forward to getting some seat time on this thing, I know it's going to be a momentum game aboard it, but it will be a good learning experience and a a whole lot of fun hearing her scream!
My head looked like junk when I bought my RM and I sent it to Eric Gorr reshape it for like 35 bucks!
2/16/2015 10:58am
If you haven't already, get yourself a factory service manual. Take your manual and cylinder to a machine shop or quality motorcycle shop and, using the specifications in the manual, have them measure the cylinder bore with a dial bore gauge. If it is out of specification, have the cylinder re-plated or replace it. You will need to provide a piston or purchase one from the replate company. Determining if the cylinder is in good condition by eye only is nearly impossible, unless the plating is severely worn or damaged. I have seen cylinders look to be in bad shape only to prove in spec after measuring. If you need a replate send the cylinder head with it to be repaired. Often the company will provide a discount for the repair if you purchase a piston from them with a replate.

Less is more when it comes to preparing plated cylinders for a new piston. If your cylinder is within spec, very lightly scrub it with scotch brite and wd-40 to remove baked on deposits and carbon. Again less is more, if a couple spots are hard to remove, leave them be. After using scotch brite the cylinder needs to be washed with hot soapy water and a nylon bristle brush until a white paper towel can be wiped over the bore and come out clean. Dry the cylinder then immediately coat the bore with oil to prevent corrosion.

The manual will provide you with ring end gap specifications. Often they are in spec out of the box, but always check. It is a critical tolerance that has an effect on performance and piston life/reliability.

While the top end is off the connecting rod big end needs to be inspected. The service manual will provide the inspection procedure and specifications. You may have to use the service of a shop again as this usually requires a dial indicator. Honestly, you are just a few steps away from being able to split the cases. I would go ahead and do it so you could inspect the transmission and have the crankshaft rebuilt and bearings/seals replaced. With your manual in hand and a crankcase separator the job would only add an extra day to the job.

Your bike looks great from the outside, don't leave it in poor condition internally. You will enjoy it much more if it is running in top condition and without the heartache, danger and added expense of a failure.
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Thanks for the advice. I will see who I can find for a quote on this cylinder head, If I can get it done for under...
Thanks for the advice.

I will see who I can find for a quote on this cylinder head, If I can get it done for under $50 I will, otherwise I will just order a new one.

If I was to order a fresh top end kit plus expectations to get the cylinder honed - how would I size the piston rings? Would I need honing specs first? Thanks a lot for the response.

I am really looking forward to getting some seat time on this thing, I know it's going to be a momentum game aboard it, but it will be a good learning experience and a a whole lot of fun hearing her scream!
You would just order a top end for the stock piston size. Honing doesn't take material away it just removes a glaze. Make sure you measure your ring end gap on the piston ring before you install the piston. Set the ring inside the cylinder without the piston about 1 inch down from the top, take a set of feeler gauges and measure the clearance of the split in the ring. I'm not 100% sure what Suzuki asks for as a spec but I'm sure you'd be able to find it in an owners manual. I want to say .008-.015 inch is the number that pops into my head. But refer back to the owners manual it will give you a minimum and a maximum! If you don't have enough gap you just take a small file and slowly file until you meet your number! Hope that helps!

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So I got the motor back in the back and carb dipped. A new fmf pipe and a few small oem pieces for my carb - new cable spring and oem hoses (only $15 from suzuki for whole set!).


Sitting in pine sol before the rebuild kit and hoses





So now my dilemma is with my tank. I finally got the seized screw out it really was a battle. I'm thinking, clear the debris and fill with apoxy to secure this insert. Any suggestions or thoughts on this?




Things should move pretty quick so I will keep you all updated.

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So my pipe came in last night, unfortunately the remainder of my carb parts won't be in until the 15th of March.

Motor shot before adding pipe





I went to install the pipe last night and ran into some issues, I think my subframe is bent and I am hoping some of you can help me with this. The silencer isn't lining up at all right now.



And when I try and force it, this is my connection point.....





Also - the little hook on the silencer by the connecting point, is that for a spring? is there something that pulls and snugs the silencer into the head pipe. Now with all this bad fitment, I know why the bike was spitting oil from this connection when I got it, because a proper seal could't be made.

I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE AND FEEDBACK/THOUGHTS








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All the RM125 pipes, including the FMF rev and factory fatty i had ran just one wide O-ring, as did the PC, Doma and DEP . Are you sure that is the correct pipe and silencer???

The subframe cant be bent that far....thats a long way off.

Do you still have the stock pipe??? try the stock pipe on the bike and see if that FMF silencer fits, Then try your new pipe and see if your stock silencer fits.

FWIW, on my RM250, the stock silencer was the exact same size as the FMF.
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Bruce372 wrote:
All the RM125 pipes, including the FMF rev and factory fatty i had ran just one wide O-ring, as did the PC, Doma and DEP...
All the RM125 pipes, including the FMF rev and factory fatty i had ran just one wide O-ring, as did the PC, Doma and DEP . Are you sure that is the correct pipe and silencer???

The subframe cant be bent that far....thats a long way off.

Do you still have the stock pipe??? try the stock pipe on the bike and see if that FMF silencer fits, Then try your new pipe and see if your stock silencer fits.

FWIW, on my RM250, the stock silencer was the exact same size as the FMF.
Thanks Bruce, the head pipe is new and has 2001-2007 Rm 125 on packaging, and seems to line up perfectly. As for the silencer, all I can do is guess? It came on the bike and seemed to fit before. Maybe there is a number on it and I can ask FMF for determination.
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Looks awesome man.

About the fitment, as Bruce mentioned, my pipe (doma) has one fat o-ring and the only silencers I have used (doma and bud racing) mount to the lower subframe mount and don't use the top/rear.
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My bike also doesn't have the circled items below? Did you guys have these on your bike? Or are they removed when you go aftermarket?



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You need those parts to mount the pipe correctly
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You need those parts to mount the pipe correctly
Yah, not to look like a complete idiot - but this bike is missing so many pieces I am just trying to figure out if something works and why.

I am going to order all of the mounting pieces. As for the rubber connector - it's about $70!!!!!! Any suggestions for an aftermarket one or a better source?

Thanks.
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You would be surprised how much those pipes can wiggle around, considering they are rubber mounted. If you have a problem area, try to start from that point and move forward (other than the pipe springs).

So, first:

Put pipe on, connect springs
Put silencer on, and move everything around until that problem hole lines up. Put a bolt in, LOOSE.
Work your way from each end, putting bolts in as you go. Leave them all loose until the end, and then tighten them from the pipe, backwards towards the silencer.

When I put everything on my 03 CR 125, the silencer hole was off by about 1/2" until I did this process.
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K-dubbb wrote:
Yah, not to look like a complete idiot - but this bike is missing so many pieces I am just trying to figure out if something...
Yah, not to look like a complete idiot - but this bike is missing so many pieces I am just trying to figure out if something works and why.

I am going to order all of the mounting pieces. As for the rubber connector - it's about $70!!!!!! Any suggestions for an aftermarket one or a better source?

Thanks.
Ebay

I know it says for Honda but most 125 exhausts are the same size.
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I am surprised FMF doesn't make an exhaust flange specific to their combo's.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I need to gather the rest of the mounting hardware to get a real idea on fitment.

I am more surprised every day by how much of a useless f&*% the previous owner of this bike was, like did he just have the exhaust dangling. Evil

Oh well, I am here to save you Rm Kissing
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KD- are you in Canada??? I might have a few things I can give you, problem is, the last time I tried shipping to Canada It was a nightmare.

on the rubber collar, ive used radiator hose before no problems.

let me do some digging.
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KD- are you in Canada??? I might have a few things I can give you, problem is, the last time I tried shipping to Canada It...
KD- are you in Canada??? I might have a few things I can give you, problem is, the last time I tried shipping to Canada It was a nightmare.

on the rubber collar, ive used radiator hose before no problems.

let me do some digging.
I am!

What do you have? That would be very much APPRECIATED! I get stuff shipped here all the time it is no problem, especially when you are sending me something vs. purchasing from a store.

Let me know what you come up with, thanks a lot for the consideration - really appreciate it.

KR
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give me until the weekend do dig through some old boxes.
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Bruce372 wrote:
give me until the weekend do dig through some old boxes.
Thanks Bruce! Let me know what you find.
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On the silencer there should only be 1 mount that bolts to the subframe. I'm guessing you have the wrong silencer. A RM250 has 2 mounts.

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