Electric Start on the 2015 YZ 250FX!

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hvaughn88 10/21/2014 7:29am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
is that weight difference comparing a 4 stroke with electric start to your two stroke without it?
JBernard_401 wrote:
it is. just keep seeing people saying that the weight thing isnt a factor. i think thats because the bikes get more and more crap on...
it is. just keep seeing people saying that the weight thing isnt a factor. i think thats because the bikes get more and more crap on them each year. efi, fuel pumps, starters, batteries, ect. and so you get used to the slight increase. the real shocker is if you grab my bike or a ktm 150sx off the stand. i had THREE people ride my bike this weekend coming from 4 strokes and just taking it off the stand they started laughing how they thought their 450's felt like tanks.
again, some people dont care. i personally just notice a huge difference in the weight and thats probably will be the #1 reason why i never get a 4T. rode a 14 yz450f and it felt like i was riding a couch with bars on it. that boring.
but that's not really apples to apples though is it? That's more of a 4 stroke vs 2 stroke weight issue.
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JBernard_401 10/21/2014 7:34am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
but that's not really apples to apples though is it? That's more of a 4 stroke vs 2 stroke weight issue.

haha. i agree.
but you guys are never gonna get back down to the nimble fun flickable bikes we have if yall keep adding gps, personal water osmosis machines, and easy bake ovens to your bikes!
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I agree with the possible issues, but just try it once and you'll see. Stalling no longer is a huge deal....,,,...... But I am 45 years...
I agree with the possible issues, but just try it once and you'll see. Stalling no longer is a huge deal....,,,...... But I am 45 years old. ha ha
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i rode one that had it this weekend. its definitely cool but the same it took it to turn over i could have made 1 kick...
i rode one that had it this weekend. its definitely cool but the same it took it to turn over i could have made 1 kick on my 2T.

and i can definitely feel the over THIRTY pound difference from my bike. honestly felt more like 50#. not nimble at all and took a bit of the fun out of riding.
Did you ride it in the woods or on a track? How fast are you? Anything else about the bike? Have you ridden a 14 or up yami 250? How did it compare?

Or are you just here to say it was heavy and boring compared to a 2 stroke (no shit).

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TailSoHard 10/21/2014 7:42am
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A 2015 KTM 450sxf is 12 pounds lighter than a 2015 KX450f, even with it's electric start and steel frame...

Also, that new Yamaha has a kickstarter, so who cares if the electric start fails? Just kick it.

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Gringoe 10/21/2014 7:46am
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And plus it's two fucking pounds lighter than the Moto version. People love to bitch
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JBernard_401 10/21/2014 7:49am
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Gringoe wrote:
Did you ride it in the woods or on a track? How fast are you? Anything else about the bike? Have you ridden a 14 or...
Did you ride it in the woods or on a track? How fast are you? Anything else about the bike? Have you ridden a 14 or up yami 250? How did it compare?

Or are you just here to say it was heavy and boring compared to a 2 stroke (no shit).

track. not fast, +30C close to +30B. only been on an 09 kx250f for a few laps. i'm 6'4" 235 so 250 wasnt to fun to ride.

i'm not. originally started with trying to get a response to why the elec start is such a huge deal then it morphed into a weight/comparative issue with other bikes without it. obviously yamahas R&D dept spent enough $ to think it was a good idea, which probably outweighs my decisions. any of my bikes have just started first few kicks with 0 effort. just find it odd theres a push saying 'lets add batteries and starter motors to these things because they are just to damn hard to start without it'. maybe its because i'm not in the 4T game and this is a godsend. i do see a lot of 4T guys struggle with starting those things so maybe it is a good idea.
vanillaice782 10/21/2014 7:51am
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They already solved the problem. They offer two different bikes. One with electric start and one with a kick start for the men with chest hair who have to prove how manly they are by kicking their bike. Personally I would rather just push a button and save the energy for the track.
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Gringoe 10/21/2014 8:01am
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Gringoe wrote:
Did you ride it in the woods or on a track? How fast are you? Anything else about the bike? Have you ridden a 14 or...
Did you ride it in the woods or on a track? How fast are you? Anything else about the bike? Have you ridden a 14 or up yami 250? How did it compare?

Or are you just here to say it was heavy and boring compared to a 2 stroke (no shit).

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track. not fast, +30C close to +30B. only been on an 09 kx250f for a few laps. i'm 6'4" 235 so 250 wasnt to fun to...
track. not fast, +30C close to +30B. only been on an 09 kx250f for a few laps. i'm 6'4" 235 so 250 wasnt to fun to ride.

i'm not. originally started with trying to get a response to why the elec start is such a huge deal then it morphed into a weight/comparative issue with other bikes without it. obviously yamahas R&D dept spent enough $ to think it was a good idea, which probably outweighs my decisions. any of my bikes have just started first few kicks with 0 effort. just find it odd theres a push saying 'lets add batteries and starter motors to these things because they are just to damn hard to start without it'. maybe its because i'm not in the 4T game and this is a godsend. i do see a lot of 4T guys struggle with starting those things so maybe it is a good idea.
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Arkmx 10/21/2014 9:47am
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Some tacky ass mud will add 15-20lbs to your bike and people fuss about adding a e-start...! Better not ride in the mud then.





Some Yama-bird info....

"It is basically a YZ250F with an electric start, 6 speed tranny, o ring chain and kickstand."

"I think a lot of MX riders will get it, put a 19" wheel on it and race it. The electric start I think will draw MX guys too. The 6 speed tranny is good even for MX. 2nd is the same as 1st on the YZ and 6th is like overdrive!"

"You can drop 2-3 pounds right off the start by getting a lithium battery".

"From what I see and know, they will run out quick on this first order program. Most dealers only get 1!"


Cheers!

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ab5772 10/21/2014 10:30am
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I have a KTM 250 XC two stroke that is super easy to kickstart. It also has e-start which is even easier. I don't know how anyone who has spent much time on a bike with electric start can say it's a bad thing.
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mayzo 10/23/2014 5:55am
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First time you're stuck on the side of a hill, balancing on your toe's and you have that button you'll know how good it is.
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I have a KTM 250 XC two stroke that is super easy to kickstart. It also has e-start which is even easier. I don't know how...
I have a KTM 250 XC two stroke that is super easy to kickstart. It also has e-start which is even easier. I don't know how anyone who has spent much time on a bike with electric start can say it's a bad thing.
most people here don't ride.
Matt Fisher 10/23/2014 10:42am
10/23/2014 10:42am
I went back and checked the threads from when Ford introduced the electric start on the Model T. There were lots of guys saying that it would never become commonplace, that real men crank started their cars, and that after 10 years of reliable service, why would 1919 be the right year to introduce something that would just break and add complexity to a car? Wink
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O___o wrote:
I wish someone would weigh the kicker, spindle, and ratchet mechanism. Then weigh a Shorai battery and starter. Weight is a funny thing. dudes will talk...
I wish someone would weigh the kicker, spindle, and ratchet mechanism. Then weigh a Shorai battery and starter.

Weight is a funny thing. dudes will talk about the additional weight of an e-start, but will take their 7/8ths bars off for 1-1/8ths bars, add Fastway footpegs, heavy duty innertubes, radiator braces, ect.
Your very right. Maybe it adds two pounds. I know personally. Start up is 2-3 seconds.
Check this out. When some of you were still in diapers, Yamaha had already developed the electric start on the YZM400f in 1997

http://huskyrestoration.com/?page_id=2602

There is also a short internal video #huskyrestoration

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markit 1/4/2015 11:11pm
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tek14 wrote:
Why you wanna add weight to race bike? Its for racing..
I've been racing off road for 15 yrs with e start 02 400exc, The FX will likely be my race bike next year depending on the contention program.
Motor_Centre 1/4/2015 11:47pm
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O___o wrote:
I wish someone would weigh the kicker, spindle, and ratchet mechanism. Then weigh a Shorai battery and starter. Weight is a funny thing. dudes will talk...
I wish someone would weigh the kicker, spindle, and ratchet mechanism. Then weigh a Shorai battery and starter.

Weight is a funny thing. dudes will talk about the additional weight of an e-start, but will take their 7/8ths bars off for 1-1/8ths bars, add Fastway footpegs, heavy duty innertubes, radiator braces, ect.
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Your very right. Maybe it adds two pounds. I know personally. Start up is 2-3 seconds. Check this out. When some of you were still in...
Your very right. Maybe it adds two pounds. I know personally. Start up is 2-3 seconds.
Check this out. When some of you were still in diapers, Yamaha had already developed the electric start on the YZM400f in 1997

http://huskyrestoration.com/?page_id=2602

There is also a short internal video #huskyrestoration

What is interesting is that Yamaha had the E Start working in 1997 on the YZ400 ? But in 2015 YZ450F no E Start ? Not sure how to interpret that ?
Motor_Centre 1/4/2015 11:56pm
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But yes you are right it now gives a lot more options for Yamaha 250F riders. Like KTM they make mix and match parts and make 7 models from one bike. Yamaha cleverly conttoned on and adopts the same stratergy . Probably finally figured out why they where selling so many WR gearboxes ????
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markit 1/5/2015 1:55am
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But yes you are right it now gives a lot more options for Yamaha 250F riders. Like KTM they make mix and match parts and make...
But yes you are right it now gives a lot more options for Yamaha 250F riders. Like KTM they make mix and match parts and make 7 models from one bike. Yamaha cleverly conttoned on and adopts the same stratergy . Probably finally figured out why they where selling so many WR gearboxes ????
I raced IT's (markIT) in the 80's some of my best off road racing memories are from then and the Yamaha IT's where a great (best) woods bike IMO. I started out on a 75 YZ 80 in the mid 70s so Hannha was the man and Yam has always been my fav bike. I race a KTM 200 now but have won titles on 4 and 2 t's, this new FX has me heading back to the Yamaha camp. I'll be o the 200 this year but 16 likely on the FX W a 300ish BB.

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tobz 1/5/2015 2:46am
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Don't knock the leccy start until you own one, shit is priceless.


And I'm thinking about ditching my 450 for the wr250f. It's been a while since my last 250f though, I'm afraid it'll too low on power, rather than "fun" power
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Motor_Centre wrote:
But yes you are right it now gives a lot more options for Yamaha 250F riders. Like KTM they make mix and match parts and make...
But yes you are right it now gives a lot more options for Yamaha 250F riders. Like KTM they make mix and match parts and make 7 models from one bike. Yamaha cleverly conttoned on and adopts the same stratergy . Probably finally figured out why they where selling so many WR gearboxes ????
markit wrote:
I raced IT's (markIT) in the 80's some of my best off road racing memories are from then and the Yamaha IT's where a great (best)...
I raced IT's (markIT) in the 80's some of my best off road racing memories are from then and the Yamaha IT's where a great (best) woods bike IMO. I started out on a 75 YZ 80 in the mid 70s so Hannha was the man and Yam has always been my fav bike. I race a KTM 200 now but have won titles on 4 and 2 t's, this new FX has me heading back to the Yamaha camp. I'll be o the 200 this year but 16 likely on the FX W a 300ish BB.
Yes, indeed, the IT bikes were awesome in their day.
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indy_maico 1/5/2015 11:09am
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Regarding the additional weight, I remember when KTM came out with the electric start option for the 250XC they said the additonal weight totaled 11 lbs for battery, starter and wiring.
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Moto not so much, but hare scramble and enduro and trail riding you bet. You are very likely to stall during a race and on a hill most of the time. Sometimes you can't kick as it is too steep.

As for getting stranded not gonna happen. Options.(not for moto), its work or die.

carry a small like 1 lb jump start battery,

Use tow strap to bump start,.

Put a running bike back to back, tire to tire lean on side stands and use the running bike to bump start it.

Hold a good battery upside down against bad battery to bump start with no cables.

Leave her running during breaks!!!!!
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TeamGreen 1/5/2015 5:02pm
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I've learned a few thngs about bikes and what they really weigh...over these last 30+ years...

The vast majority of you have ADDED weight to your bike. From your Twin Walls to your Radiator Gaurds. Your replacement parts...chain, tires, tubes...plastic...are almost ALWAYS heavier than stock. How about that cool Skid Plate? Ever weigh your Graphics? How about your Disco-Seat cover?

On the other hand, you can take a coupl'a pounds off of some bikes with a Ti pipe and Ti or Carbon silencer (1.5 pounds on my bike with FIM legal muffler-FMF). I took over a 1/2 pound off of my bike with Guts Racing seat foam. Another 1/3 pound with Raptor foot pegs...which I run simply due to being great foot pegs.

As for you guys gettin' all 2-Stroke Taliban and stuff...

The 2015 KTM 450SXF Factory Editon is lighter than most of your beloved smokers. Been there, done that...weighed'em. Andrews bike weighed in reallllllly light on Saturday and...get this...it had PLENTY of Steel Fasteners. Go weigh your Smoker...YOUR BIKE...and get back to us. You can save those published numbers from the manufacturer: WHAT does YOURS Weigh?

My KTM weighs 231 with all the goodies...glide plate, transponder, 100cc extra oil & only 4 or 5 Ti fasteners...little ones holding the glide on and a couple on the body work.

The YZF250X has a bunch of stuff on it...kickstand and bracket, big tank...battery...pretty sure I saw some smog plumbing on one of the bikes on dislplay at Anaheim...I think the one w/lights. Make the basic one a true track bike w/ e-start and I'll bet it's not going to feel different than the MX model.

Anyone that rides one stock...that's set up for off-road...should know that a lot of the feel comes from the suspension and chassis set up. I switched the suspension on one of my KLX450s to my KXF suspension and my friends where thinking I put a bunch of Ti and goodies on it. Nope! It just felt lighter and tighter.
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TeamGreen wrote:
I've learned a few thngs about bikes and what they really weigh...over these last 30+ years... The vast majority of you have ADDED weight to your...
I've learned a few thngs about bikes and what they really weigh...over these last 30+ years...

The vast majority of you have ADDED weight to your bike. From your Twin Walls to your Radiator Gaurds. Your replacement parts...chain, tires, tubes...plastic...are almost ALWAYS heavier than stock. How about that cool Skid Plate? Ever weigh your Graphics? How about your Disco-Seat cover?

On the other hand, you can take a coupl'a pounds off of some bikes with a Ti pipe and Ti or Carbon silencer (1.5 pounds on my bike with FIM legal muffler-FMF). I took over a 1/2 pound off of my bike with Guts Racing seat foam. Another 1/3 pound with Raptor foot pegs...which I run simply due to being great foot pegs.

As for you guys gettin' all 2-Stroke Taliban and stuff...

The 2015 KTM 450SXF Factory Editon is lighter than most of your beloved smokers. Been there, done that...weighed'em. Andrews bike weighed in reallllllly light on Saturday and...get this...it had PLENTY of Steel Fasteners. Go weigh your Smoker...YOUR BIKE...and get back to us. You can save those published numbers from the manufacturer: WHAT does YOURS Weigh?

My KTM weighs 231 with all the goodies...glide plate, transponder, 100cc extra oil & only 4 or 5 Ti fasteners...little ones holding the glide on and a couple on the body work.

The YZF250X has a bunch of stuff on it...kickstand and bracket, big tank...battery...pretty sure I saw some smog plumbing on one of the bikes on dislplay at Anaheim...I think the one w/lights. Make the basic one a true track bike w/ e-start and I'll bet it's not going to feel different than the MX model.

Anyone that rides one stock...that's set up for off-road...should know that a lot of the feel comes from the suspension and chassis set up. I switched the suspension on one of my KLX450s to my KXF suspension and my friends where thinking I put a bunch of Ti and goodies on it. Nope! It just felt lighter and tighter.
Right on Team Green. Good examples of, Can't see the trees for the forest. Of coarse all these weight critics are running zero percent body fat, Right? :-)

Doug Henry or Andrea Bartolini YZM400F bikes, minus the engine only had a carbon fiber subframe / airbox and carbon fiber silencer. For the most part the bikes were same as stock. Trick parts but similar in weight it appears. They added weight with aluminum tank.
BUT here is the kicker. Majority of the weigh loss was in the engine. My YZM engine with starter, logically, was heavier then the kick start version, weighs 7lbs lighter then the production YZ400F
Billet Ti side covers was example of some expensive weigh lose.

Rob
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nc_mx_kid 1/6/2015 10:08am
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just got them in here at the shop, I dig it. Going to be a good seller for all these Desert Rats of San Diego County!!!

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