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12/16/2014 7:51am Edited Date/Time 12/16/2014 7:51am
It's not looking good for 2015! Damn!

Where can he race next year that is non-FIM?
People who have looked into the process have said that if you are ruled ineligible for a period of time you are barred from any competition irregardless of sanctioning body.
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12/16/2014 7:53am
It's not looking good for 2015! Damn!

Where can he race next year that is non-FIM?
I doubt Stewart will race Arenacross.
12/16/2014 8:01am Edited Date/Time 12/16/2014 8:03am
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck...
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
Fraser wrote:
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not...
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not a cheat and its all a big anti-US conspiracy by FIMWADA

I definitely believe drug testing is neccessary in SX. If you're going to have it, you may as well get the best agency in the world to do it. WADA don't know the names of the riders tested, They just test the samples and report back to the FIM who have the names. So I can't see any bias going on.

If James was confused, then he's an idiot. I'm sorry that's no defense after you're caught. He has enough people around him, at least one of them should have figured it out. Unless he's using the 'confused' thing as a cover. James was not penalised for being confused!!!!! He was suspended for having amphetamines in his blood....

You say small sport, but there's still millions of $$ to be made if you're good enough. Take away testing and why would riders NOT dope if the rewards are there to be had?

Not sure you can test all riders all the time, so they pick random riders at random rounds (or top 3 + 2 others or whatever it is.)

You seem to forget that Dungey and Villopoto were also tested at Seattle. They both weren't cheating and passed the test.


Getting back to the MXA article this post is about- It says there that JS knows the penalty, and the delay is down to HIM deciding when to tell us! If that's true you should all stop banging on about how evil it is for WADA (even though its the FIM deciding) to leave the result this long.
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

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12/16/2014 8:18am
Stewart has been awfully silent on social media during the past few days. I don't have a clue, but my guess is it's not looking good. I'd like to see him lining up, but either way, this year will be awesome.

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12/16/2014 8:29am
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

So you're saying that WADA and the FIM have let you down for enforcing the rules that these riders signed up for?
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12/16/2014 8:35am
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck...
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
Fraser wrote:
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not...
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not a cheat and its all a big anti-US conspiracy by FIMWADA

I definitely believe drug testing is neccessary in SX. If you're going to have it, you may as well get the best agency in the world to do it. WADA don't know the names of the riders tested, They just test the samples and report back to the FIM who have the names. So I can't see any bias going on.

If James was confused, then he's an idiot. I'm sorry that's no defense after you're caught. He has enough people around him, at least one of them should have figured it out. Unless he's using the 'confused' thing as a cover. James was not penalised for being confused!!!!! He was suspended for having amphetamines in his blood....

You say small sport, but there's still millions of $$ to be made if you're good enough. Take away testing and why would riders NOT dope if the rewards are there to be had?

Not sure you can test all riders all the time, so they pick random riders at random rounds (or top 3 + 2 others or whatever it is.)

You seem to forget that Dungey and Villopoto were also tested at Seattle. They both weren't cheating and passed the test.


Getting back to the MXA article this post is about- It says there that JS knows the penalty, and the delay is down to HIM deciding when to tell us! If that's true you should all stop banging on about how evil it is for WADA (even though its the FIM deciding) to leave the result this long.
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

The only one that has cheated you is James, the only ones that are incompetent is James and his team.....google WADA so you can make an informed unemotional post....This isn't football or baseball that has a players union that has a major say in what the rules and testing are in their leagues...who by the way have kept WADA and USADA out of testing players through their collective bargaining.
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12/16/2014 8:35am
Maybe he will take up Professional Golf with his good friend Bubba?
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12/16/2014 8:39am
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck...
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
Fraser wrote:
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not...
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not a cheat and its all a big anti-US conspiracy by FIMWADA

I definitely believe drug testing is neccessary in SX. If you're going to have it, you may as well get the best agency in the world to do it. WADA don't know the names of the riders tested, They just test the samples and report back to the FIM who have the names. So I can't see any bias going on.

If James was confused, then he's an idiot. I'm sorry that's no defense after you're caught. He has enough people around him, at least one of them should have figured it out. Unless he's using the 'confused' thing as a cover. James was not penalised for being confused!!!!! He was suspended for having amphetamines in his blood....

You say small sport, but there's still millions of $$ to be made if you're good enough. Take away testing and why would riders NOT dope if the rewards are there to be had?

Not sure you can test all riders all the time, so they pick random riders at random rounds (or top 3 + 2 others or whatever it is.)

You seem to forget that Dungey and Villopoto were also tested at Seattle. They both weren't cheating and passed the test.


Getting back to the MXA article this post is about- It says there that JS knows the penalty, and the delay is down to HIM deciding when to tell us! If that's true you should all stop banging on about how evil it is for WADA (even though its the FIM deciding) to leave the result this long.
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

If you want to read the FIM rule book go ahead. Its all there if you care to look.

Samples from everyone? Is that really necessary? Fairly sure that 'every other sport' does not in fact test everyone.

Random testing plus top three should be enough to discourage cheating as you never know when you could be tested.

12/16/2014 8:40am
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

TripleFive wrote:
So you're saying that WADA and the FIM have let you down for enforcing the rules that these riders signed up for?
You must be dumb?

Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be written out. you cant run a company without them. Name me one sports league that has an * for their rulebook.

Go to the Nfl rule book

First offense for adderall is a 4 game suspension

Baseball, track, swiming, basketball, and all these sports have written penalties and very quick turn arounds on their disciplinary actions...but guess who doesnt? Fim

Its one thing if these actions come within a reasonable timeframe, but this is ridiculous...Im pretty sure that James could have saved a lot of time in life and money having the correct rules and disciplinary actions in place.

12/16/2014 8:42am
Fraser wrote:
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not...
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not a cheat and its all a big anti-US conspiracy by FIMWADA

I definitely believe drug testing is neccessary in SX. If you're going to have it, you may as well get the best agency in the world to do it. WADA don't know the names of the riders tested, They just test the samples and report back to the FIM who have the names. So I can't see any bias going on.

If James was confused, then he's an idiot. I'm sorry that's no defense after you're caught. He has enough people around him, at least one of them should have figured it out. Unless he's using the 'confused' thing as a cover. James was not penalised for being confused!!!!! He was suspended for having amphetamines in his blood....

You say small sport, but there's still millions of $$ to be made if you're good enough. Take away testing and why would riders NOT dope if the rewards are there to be had?

Not sure you can test all riders all the time, so they pick random riders at random rounds (or top 3 + 2 others or whatever it is.)

You seem to forget that Dungey and Villopoto were also tested at Seattle. They both weren't cheating and passed the test.


Getting back to the MXA article this post is about- It says there that JS knows the penalty, and the delay is down to HIM deciding when to tell us! If that's true you should all stop banging on about how evil it is for WADA (even though its the FIM deciding) to leave the result this long.
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

Fraser wrote:
If you want to read the FIM rule book go ahead. Its all there if you care to look. Samples from everyone? Is that really necessary...
If you want to read the FIM rule book go ahead. Its all there if you care to look.

Samples from everyone? Is that really necessary? Fairly sure that 'every other sport' does not in fact test everyone.

Random testing plus top three should be enough to discourage cheating as you never know when you could be tested.

I have read it....so unless I missed something if its all there, what is his penalty? Why are we all arguing over this if you know what actions will be?
12/16/2014 8:46am
You're arguing for a rigid sentencing structure? So a person that intentionally tried to cheat the system by taking adderall should be punished just as severely as a guy who accidentally ingested the drug (see AJ Allmendinger)?

There needs to be flexibility in a regulation scheme that encompasses so many different substances.
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12/16/2014 8:47am
I am far from being a stewart fan. Yes he did the crime but I don't think the penalty should be that big. Maybe 3 or 4 races, a lot of people go the races to see him he is a well known name in this sport. He does make racing very interesting as well. I hope the suspension is not as long as we think and he will be able to line up at the gate soon. What about letting him race and not score any points for his positions?
12/16/2014 8:48am
Fraser wrote:
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not...
I'm not religious in the slightest. Maybe the opposite is true? So many JS fans seem to have a blind belief in JS being innocent, not a cheat and its all a big anti-US conspiracy by FIMWADA

I definitely believe drug testing is neccessary in SX. If you're going to have it, you may as well get the best agency in the world to do it. WADA don't know the names of the riders tested, They just test the samples and report back to the FIM who have the names. So I can't see any bias going on.

If James was confused, then he's an idiot. I'm sorry that's no defense after you're caught. He has enough people around him, at least one of them should have figured it out. Unless he's using the 'confused' thing as a cover. James was not penalised for being confused!!!!! He was suspended for having amphetamines in his blood....

You say small sport, but there's still millions of $$ to be made if you're good enough. Take away testing and why would riders NOT dope if the rewards are there to be had?

Not sure you can test all riders all the time, so they pick random riders at random rounds (or top 3 + 2 others or whatever it is.)

You seem to forget that Dungey and Villopoto were also tested at Seattle. They both weren't cheating and passed the test.


Getting back to the MXA article this post is about- It says there that JS knows the penalty, and the delay is down to HIM deciding when to tell us! If that's true you should all stop banging on about how evil it is for WADA (even though its the FIM deciding) to leave the result this long.
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

DonM wrote:
The only one that has cheated you is James, the only ones that are incompetent is James and his team.....google WADA so you can make an...
The only one that has cheated you is James, the only ones that are incompetent is James and his team.....google WADA so you can make an informed unemotional post....This isn't football or baseball that has a players union that has a major say in what the rules and testing are in their leagues...who by the way have kept WADA and USADA out of testing players through their collective bargaining.
Sorry James racing or not racing doesnt bother me, so I have zero emotional investment in my responses to this other than the fact that we have been sitting around with our thumbs up our asses barking up each others trees.

There is a reason why our sport hasnt grown to that level of Nfl or Mlb...

I fhink its funny that you guys still say he was cheating...? I guess he was cheating so much that they decided to grant his Tue regardless...makes sense. Big time cheater only deserves the right to cheat some more.
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12/16/2014 8:57am
jasonv43 wrote:
Maybe he will take up Professional Golf with his good friend Bubba?
Laughing they do seem to hang out a lot, maybe Bubba can get Bubba up to speed on the PGA tour Laughing

I think his fans should look at the bright side, if he is suspended he gets to walk away healthy, rich, knowing he was one of the best and with tons of fans, that's not a bad gig. Smile

The way he pushed the limits reminded me of Pastrana, I was always concerned for those guys on the track, so healthy is good way to go out.

Bubba will be fine and so will SX and MX.
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12/16/2014 9:01am
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who just don't like the guy talking. James is an honest respectable person who has skills we can only dream of and the type of guy that would help anyone if he wasn't such a high profile athlete pulled in a million directions. Anyone bashing his character is a jealous or racist dork. One of the best we have ever seen on a bike is being pushed out of the sport by a cluster fk of a situation. He is at fault but this is pathetic on a huge level by fans and rule makers a like. I always defend dirt bike riders as a family oriented sport full of positives but things like this make me look wrong to my piers.
12/16/2014 9:06am
FLmxer wrote:
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who...
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who just don't like the guy talking. James is an honest respectable person who has skills we can only dream of and the type of guy that would help anyone if he wasn't such a high profile athlete pulled in a million directions. Anyone bashing his character is a jealous or racist dork. One of the best we have ever seen on a bike is being pushed out of the sport by a cluster fk of a situation. He is at fault but this is pathetic on a huge level by fans and rule makers a like. I always defend dirt bike riders as a family oriented sport full of positives but things like this make me look wrong to my piers.
Yes indeedeeee
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12/16/2014 9:07am
FLmxer wrote:
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who...
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who just don't like the guy talking. James is an honest respectable person who has skills we can only dream of and the type of guy that would help anyone if he wasn't such a high profile athlete pulled in a million directions. Anyone bashing his character is a jealous or racist dork. One of the best we have ever seen on a bike is being pushed out of the sport by a cluster fk of a situation. He is at fault but this is pathetic on a huge level by fans and rule makers a like. I always defend dirt bike riders as a family oriented sport full of positives but things like this make me look wrong to my piers.
I can agree with some of that. There are a lot of hateful, spiteful people in the world and Bubba seemed to attract a lot of them.

They will grow old that way, Bubba will be chillin on his lake boat and golfing Smile
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12/16/2014 9:11am
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage... Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...? No time frame? They Fim, Wada...
I just waisted 2 minutes reading this garbage...

Testing without any penalties in place or written in a rule book...?

No time frame? They Fim, Wada need to be fair and partial with ones time...

If you want to test, you make sure you do it correctly and collect samples from everybody, like in every other sport that tests. Non of this random top riders garbage.

The way I see it is Wada and especially the FIM have let this community down in a big way. They went about this all wrong and with nothing in place and no guidelines to follow. its all a farse. We are being cheated and Js7 is being cheated. If he doesnt get to race he would have just spent the last 3/4 months training and testing for absolutely nothing. What a waist of time......

Things lke this cannot happen in a growing sport like ours, it makes the Fim look incompetent and most of all our community. For obvious reasons I gather why our sport hasnt gone to the next level in popularity.

TripleFive wrote:
So you're saying that WADA and the FIM have let you down for enforcing the rules that these riders signed up for?
He didn't say that at all. He said the way the testing is set up, the rules and the time it has taken has let James and the fans down.
Reading comprehension.
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12/16/2014 9:14am
FLmxer wrote:
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who...
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who just don't like the guy talking. James is an honest respectable person who has skills we can only dream of and the type of guy that would help anyone if he wasn't such a high profile athlete pulled in a million directions. Anyone bashing his character is a jealous or racist dork. One of the best we have ever seen on a bike is being pushed out of the sport by a cluster fk of a situation. He is at fault but this is pathetic on a huge level by fans and rule makers a like. I always defend dirt bike riders as a family oriented sport full of positives but things like this make me look wrong to my piers.
You sound like you know him and his medical history personally? I'm guessing that must be true if you know he's been taking "that" for forever.

It certainly is a paperwork blunder. But he had multiple chances to disclose that he was taking it, including at the time of the test and he didn't mention it. That at least seems deceptive on some level. If it's not a big deal, why not mention it? And let's not forget the staff of professionals that he hires who should have made sure that all of his paperwork was squared away.

James having skill that "we can only dream of" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I can think of many people who are far better than I am at things, or more intelligent...it doesn't give them an excuse to be held to a different standard than myself when it comes to the rules. There's plenty of "nice guys" that are less than honest. Nobody made James choose to go in the direction of being a "high profile athlete pulled in a million directions." If he can't handle that, maybe it is time for him to retire and fade away out of the spotlight.

Please don't even bring race into this discussion. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's currently happening with the situation. I'll admit that I'm jealous of his talent. I wish I could ride the way he does. But I don't wish it badly enough that I'd change anything about my situation in life. I've been fortunate enough to enjoy my share of successes. So I don't think jealousy is a factor either.

Maybe he is at risk for "being pushed out of the sport?" Even that is a grasp since he's the one who put himself in the situation to begin with. Had he simply gotten his TUE prior to the testing, he would have been fine. He didn't and has to deal with the consequences. He deserves no safe harbor simply because he's "one of the best."

The sport is fine. It will continue on. And it will do so with or without James Stewart. Every sport or competition has it's people who don't play by the rules. Cheating happens. Oversights happen. And there will be consequences. These consequences should apply uniformly across the board regardless of who gets caught up in them. That being said, the amount of time that this process has taken is crazy to say the least. The penalty will be what it is. Anyone who did the minimum of research could have found that the penalties are usually pretty lengthy and if they didn't want to get caught in one to make sure they have their paperwork in order. James and his team didn't do so. Now they pay the price.

Shane
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12/16/2014 9:15am
FLmxer wrote:
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who...
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who just don't like the guy talking. James is an honest respectable person who has skills we can only dream of and the type of guy that would help anyone if he wasn't such a high profile athlete pulled in a million directions. Anyone bashing his character is a jealous or racist dork. One of the best we have ever seen on a bike is being pushed out of the sport by a cluster fk of a situation. He is at fault but this is pathetic on a huge level by fans and rule makers a like. I always defend dirt bike riders as a family oriented sport full of positives but things like this make me look wrong to my piers.
Have you ever noticed that some of the ones that reply the soonest to a thread like this are the "off with his head" bunch? I mean, there are some here that are trolling and just want to stir the pot...but it's obvious that there are some genuine haters here, that for whatever personal reason, want to see James out of the sport...and his being ousted for something this minor and stupid doesn't matter, it just matters that their agenda is met.
12/16/2014 9:19am
Insider347 wrote:
He didn't say that at all. He said the way the testing is set up, the rules and the time it has taken has let James...
He didn't say that at all. He said the way the testing is set up, the rules and the time it has taken has let James and the fans down.
Reading comprehension.
It takes some higher-level thinking, but there is a way to reconcile my post with the post that I am replying to.
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12/16/2014 9:23am
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James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who...
James is not a cheater, he has been taking that for ever. Paperwork blunder does not imply he was trying to cheat. That is people who just don't like the guy talking. James is an honest respectable person who has skills we can only dream of and the type of guy that would help anyone if he wasn't such a high profile athlete pulled in a million directions. Anyone bashing his character is a jealous or racist dork. One of the best we have ever seen on a bike is being pushed out of the sport by a cluster fk of a situation. He is at fault but this is pathetic on a huge level by fans and rule makers a like. I always defend dirt bike riders as a family oriented sport full of positives but things like this make me look wrong to my piers.
You sound like you know him and his medical history personally? I'm guessing that must be true if you know he's been taking "that" for forever...
You sound like you know him and his medical history personally? I'm guessing that must be true if you know he's been taking "that" for forever.

It certainly is a paperwork blunder. But he had multiple chances to disclose that he was taking it, including at the time of the test and he didn't mention it. That at least seems deceptive on some level. If it's not a big deal, why not mention it? And let's not forget the staff of professionals that he hires who should have made sure that all of his paperwork was squared away.

James having skill that "we can only dream of" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I can think of many people who are far better than I am at things, or more intelligent...it doesn't give them an excuse to be held to a different standard than myself when it comes to the rules. There's plenty of "nice guys" that are less than honest. Nobody made James choose to go in the direction of being a "high profile athlete pulled in a million directions." If he can't handle that, maybe it is time for him to retire and fade away out of the spotlight.

Please don't even bring race into this discussion. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's currently happening with the situation. I'll admit that I'm jealous of his talent. I wish I could ride the way he does. But I don't wish it badly enough that I'd change anything about my situation in life. I've been fortunate enough to enjoy my share of successes. So I don't think jealousy is a factor either.

Maybe he is at risk for "being pushed out of the sport?" Even that is a grasp since he's the one who put himself in the situation to begin with. Had he simply gotten his TUE prior to the testing, he would have been fine. He didn't and has to deal with the consequences. He deserves no safe harbor simply because he's "one of the best."

The sport is fine. It will continue on. And it will do so with or without James Stewart. Every sport or competition has it's people who don't play by the rules. Cheating happens. Oversights happen. And there will be consequences. These consequences should apply uniformly across the board regardless of who gets caught up in them. That being said, the amount of time that this process has taken is crazy to say the least. The penalty will be what it is. Anyone who did the minimum of research could have found that the penalties are usually pretty lengthy and if they didn't want to get caught in one to make sure they have their paperwork in order. James and his team didn't do so. Now they pay the price.

Shane
Yes I have Shane. Yes a penalty is needed for the infraction but this is ridiculous as far as a time frame is concerned. A lot of people are dedicated to the year ahead only to find out at last minute they could be out of work. I am one of the longest lasting members here since fresh dirt but I will never argue on the internet. Have a great day Shane. Bring on the real fans.
12/16/2014 9:24am
DownSouth wrote:
People who have looked into the process have said that if you are ruled ineligible for a period of time you are barred from any competition...
People who have looked into the process have said that if you are ruled ineligible for a period of time you are barred from any competition irregardless of sanctioning body.
It's more that everyone else who wants to race a FIM race at some point is barred from racing you.
12/16/2014 9:26am
You sound like you know him and his medical history personally? I'm guessing that must be true if you know he's been taking "that" for forever...
You sound like you know him and his medical history personally? I'm guessing that must be true if you know he's been taking "that" for forever.

It certainly is a paperwork blunder. But he had multiple chances to disclose that he was taking it, including at the time of the test and he didn't mention it. That at least seems deceptive on some level. If it's not a big deal, why not mention it? And let's not forget the staff of professionals that he hires who should have made sure that all of his paperwork was squared away.

James having skill that "we can only dream of" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I can think of many people who are far better than I am at things, or more intelligent...it doesn't give them an excuse to be held to a different standard than myself when it comes to the rules. There's plenty of "nice guys" that are less than honest. Nobody made James choose to go in the direction of being a "high profile athlete pulled in a million directions." If he can't handle that, maybe it is time for him to retire and fade away out of the spotlight.

Please don't even bring race into this discussion. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's currently happening with the situation. I'll admit that I'm jealous of his talent. I wish I could ride the way he does. But I don't wish it badly enough that I'd change anything about my situation in life. I've been fortunate enough to enjoy my share of successes. So I don't think jealousy is a factor either.

Maybe he is at risk for "being pushed out of the sport?" Even that is a grasp since he's the one who put himself in the situation to begin with. Had he simply gotten his TUE prior to the testing, he would have been fine. He didn't and has to deal with the consequences. He deserves no safe harbor simply because he's "one of the best."

The sport is fine. It will continue on. And it will do so with or without James Stewart. Every sport or competition has it's people who don't play by the rules. Cheating happens. Oversights happen. And there will be consequences. These consequences should apply uniformly across the board regardless of who gets caught up in them. That being said, the amount of time that this process has taken is crazy to say the least. The penalty will be what it is. Anyone who did the minimum of research could have found that the penalties are usually pretty lengthy and if they didn't want to get caught in one to make sure they have their paperwork in order. James and his team didn't do so. Now they pay the price.

Shane
Give it a rest.
Everyone gets your like the bible thumper pushing the rules are rules, societies crumbling because of the lack of rules blah blah blah.

Come back when you have some new material for the act.
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12/16/2014 9:29am
You must be dumb? Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be...
You must be dumb?

Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be written out. you cant run a company without them. Name me one sports league that has an * for their rulebook.

Go to the Nfl rule book

First offense for adderall is a 4 game suspension

Baseball, track, swiming, basketball, and all these sports have written penalties and very quick turn arounds on their disciplinary actions...but guess who doesnt? Fim

Its one thing if these actions come within a reasonable timeframe, but this is ridiculous...Im pretty sure that James could have saved a lot of time in life and money having the correct rules and disciplinary actions in place.

He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the rules that were already in place, and not taken a banned substance without a TUE in the first place. Blame the FIM and WADA as much as you like, there's only one person responsible for his failed drug test. (and its not me by the way)
12/16/2014 9:32am
You must be dumb? Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be...
You must be dumb?

Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be written out. you cant run a company without them. Name me one sports league that has an * for their rulebook.

Go to the Nfl rule book

First offense for adderall is a 4 game suspension

Baseball, track, swiming, basketball, and all these sports have written penalties and very quick turn arounds on their disciplinary actions...but guess who doesnt? Fim

Its one thing if these actions come within a reasonable timeframe, but this is ridiculous...Im pretty sure that James could have saved a lot of time in life and money having the correct rules and disciplinary actions in place.

Fraser wrote:
He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the [b]rules[/b] that were already in place, and not taken a banned...
He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the rules that were already in place, and not taken a banned substance without a TUE in the first place. Blame the FIM and WADA as much as you like, there's only one person responsible for his failed drug test. (and its not me by the way)
So you don't think the AMA/FIM should've already had penalties written out in case something like this happened?
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12/16/2014 9:33am
You must be dumb? Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be...
You must be dumb?

Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be written out. you cant run a company without them. Name me one sports league that has an * for their rulebook.

Go to the Nfl rule book

First offense for adderall is a 4 game suspension

Baseball, track, swiming, basketball, and all these sports have written penalties and very quick turn arounds on their disciplinary actions...but guess who doesnt? Fim

Its one thing if these actions come within a reasonable timeframe, but this is ridiculous...Im pretty sure that James could have saved a lot of time in life and money having the correct rules and disciplinary actions in place.

Fraser wrote:
He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the [b]rules[/b] that were already in place, and not taken a banned...
He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the rules that were already in place, and not taken a banned substance without a TUE in the first place. Blame the FIM and WADA as much as you like, there's only one person responsible for his failed drug test. (and its not me by the way)
Why keep hammering the point, Fraser?
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12/16/2014 9:36am
You must be dumb? Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be...
You must be dumb?

Its not about enforcing the rules im all for the rule book and enforcing the rules.....its the discipline that needs to be written out. you cant run a company without them. Name me one sports league that has an * for their rulebook.

Go to the Nfl rule book

First offense for adderall is a 4 game suspension

Baseball, track, swiming, basketball, and all these sports have written penalties and very quick turn arounds on their disciplinary actions...but guess who doesnt? Fim

Its one thing if these actions come within a reasonable timeframe, but this is ridiculous...Im pretty sure that James could have saved a lot of time in life and money having the correct rules and disciplinary actions in place.

Fraser wrote:
He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the [b]rules[/b] that were already in place, and not taken a banned...
He'd have saved himself a great deal of time and money if he'd followed the rules that were already in place, and not taken a banned substance without a TUE in the first place. Blame the FIM and WADA as much as you like, there's only one person responsible for his failed drug test. (and its not me by the way)
davistld01 wrote:
Why keep hammering the point, Fraser?
Dunno, just frustrates me the number of people that want to blame everyone else in sight for one team's mistake. I'm getting tired of arguing now though. Lets hope that FIM press release comes quick so we can get back to arguing about the MXDN.
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12/16/2014 9:37am
Man that racerx post sure makes it sound like he won't be racing this year. What a shame!
12/16/2014 9:39am Edited Date/Time 12/16/2014 9:40am
Aye~

I feel like im talking to my 5 year old...

Didnt you just tell me you have the penalty structure? So please inform me. Is James racing or not? Whip out that magic rule book of yours, where everything is clearly written out.

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