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rippaaa 12/15/2014 3:20pm
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I'm gonna end off by saying:

Crush you need to stop getting your panties in a bunch on every single JS7 thread.

I'm done.

Also, don't waste you're time responding to this. I won't reply to you.
rocketsocks26 12/15/2014 3:22pm
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reded, no kidding dummy lol, but its no more relavant than saying adderal is usedfor cheating. neither of them is performance enhancing. # 7 is wrong for not having the tue. Do u think he is the only racer on a 20 man gate taking adderal? or Cialis, Viagra? come on if u believe that I have a bridge I can sell ya to.#7 is wrong for not having his tue to take his prescribed med. He was later granted the TUE for it.it happened in last years sx season, whatever system u wanna call it, to take it to dec 3 weeks before the sx season starts is F N crazy! And yes with all the B.S that the #7 has been threw from then to now u better believe he has an excellent case in court against the FIM, WADA, and anyone else that has defamed his character and business!
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reded 12/15/2014 3:27pm
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I don't give a shit if everyone on the gate at A-1 gets busted as long as the punishment is the same across the board. There'll be 20 others ready to line up the next week.
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Crush 12/15/2014 3:28pm
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What credibility does anyone have here? Do you really think James having beaten Chad is a reason for thinking the sport shouldn't act in its interest and not those of a rider who's gonna quit in a year anyways?

Butthurt is crying that you won't attend Sx because "your" rider did the wrong thing, and can't race, or crying that he should be given an exception because he's my favourite and he definitely didn't mean it, he said he didn't–Never a guilty crook in gaol hey

I couldn't give a fuck who it is, if it was Chad i'd be saying they need to do the right thing, it's the sport that'll look dumb if it's not handled properly.

And as for suspensions or anything else, go look at my posts, i've not said he needs two years or a life ban or anything, nor that I'd "be happy" for any fine or ban, I've said they need to send the right message to the outside world, to potential sponsors and to young riders coming up that drugs aren't tolerated in MX.

If I'm over exuberant in posts on this it's purely because I can't believe the incredulous attitude that some people have towards something so fucking easy to comprehend. It's not like laws and rules, in general, much less drugs in sport are a new agenda. They're centuries old and for sport since the 50s.

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Crush 12/15/2014 3:32pm
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rippaaa wrote:
I'm gonna end off by saying: Crush you need to stop getting your panties in a bunch on every single JS7 thread. I'm done. Also, don't...
I'm gonna end off by saying:

Crush you need to stop getting your panties in a bunch on every single JS7 thread.

I'm done.

Also, don't waste you're time responding to this. I won't reply to you.
Thanks, I'm glad a dummy from Canadia with 72 quality posts is signing off and telling me what's up.

Hoo-fucking-ray.
Samdanny576 12/15/2014 3:34pm
12/15/2014 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 12/15/2014 3:37pm
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
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gsxrcr28 12/15/2014 3:39pm
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What credibility does anyone have here? Do you really think James having beaten Chad is a reason for thinking the sport shouldn't act in its interest...
What credibility does anyone have here? Do you really think James having beaten Chad is a reason for thinking the sport shouldn't act in its interest and not those of a rider who's gonna quit in a year anyways?

Butthurt is crying that you won't attend Sx because "your" rider did the wrong thing, and can't race, or crying that he should be given an exception because he's my favourite and he definitely didn't mean it, he said he didn't–Never a guilty crook in gaol hey

I couldn't give a fuck who it is, if it was Chad i'd be saying they need to do the right thing, it's the sport that'll look dumb if it's not handled properly.

And as for suspensions or anything else, go look at my posts, i've not said he needs two years or a life ban or anything, nor that I'd "be happy" for any fine or ban, I've said they need to send the right message to the outside world, to potential sponsors and to young riders coming up that drugs aren't tolerated in MX.

If I'm over exuberant in posts on this it's purely because I can't believe the incredulous attitude that some people have towards something so fucking easy to comprehend. It's not like laws and rules, in general, much less drugs in sport are a new agenda. They're centuries old and for sport since the 50s.
Well we agree on a couple things. Laughing

Not going to the races because your favorite rider is not going to be there, or thinking he should be given special treatment is rediculous.

I'm just saying I understand why people are given warnings, or have suspensions lifted once there is some kind of proof it was an honest mistake. We all agree he should of, or most likely should have known the rules.
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reded, no kidding dummy lol, but its no more relavant than saying adderal is usedfor cheating. neither of them is performance enhancing. # 7 is wrong...
reded, no kidding dummy lol, but its no more relavant than saying adderal is usedfor cheating. neither of them is performance enhancing. # 7 is wrong for not having the tue. Do u think he is the only racer on a 20 man gate taking adderal? or Cialis, Viagra? come on if u believe that I have a bridge I can sell ya to.#7 is wrong for not having his tue to take his prescribed med. He was later granted the TUE for it.it happened in last years sx season, whatever system u wanna call it, to take it to dec 3 weeks before the sx season starts is F N crazy! And yes with all the B.S that the #7 has been threw from then to now u better believe he has an excellent case in court against the FIM, WADA, and anyone else that has defamed his character and business!
I can't believe I'm even engaging in this conversation, but rocket socks, explain to me why it's not a performance enhancing drug. And I don't mean give me antecdotal stories about how you've taken it since you were 18 and can't tell a difference. I mean some actual tried and true factual evidence about why WADA/usada/whoever should remove this from the list and why it's not performance enhancing. Don't be afraid about giving too much detail and getting too medical about it, I assure you I have the background to comprehend and process it. So just whenever you're ready I'll gladly read what you have to say.
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Skippie 12/15/2014 3:40pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck...
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
If you don't want to follow the rules that's fine, but don't whine and cry about it when you get penalized based off those rules. It's like it's an unreasonable rule either. If you need any of those substances, simply get a prescription fill out the damn form and you're done. When you test positive for it it's all taken care of. How hard is that?
Samdanny576 12/15/2014 3:44pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck...
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
Skippie wrote:
If you don't want to follow the rules that's fine, but don't whine and cry about it when you get penalized based off those rules. It's...
If you don't want to follow the rules that's fine, but don't whine and cry about it when you get penalized based off those rules. It's like it's an unreasonable rule either. If you need any of those substances, simply get a prescription fill out the damn form and you're done. When you test positive for it it's all taken care of. How hard is that?
I don't think most people are crying about him getting caught or the subsequent penalty.

IT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME IT HAS TAKEN TO HAND OUT THE PENALTY


It's like you don't read.
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Skippie 12/15/2014 4:06pm
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Samdanny576 wrote:
I don't think most people are crying about him getting caught or the subsequent penalty. [b]IT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME IT HAS TAKEN TO HAND OUT...
I don't think most people are crying about him getting caught or the subsequent penalty.

IT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME IT HAS TAKEN TO HAND OUT THE PENALTY


It's like you don't read.
All your past posts have been about how it's a dumb rule.
Samdanny576 12/15/2014 4:15pm
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All your past posts have been about how it's a dumb rule.
I've said it a number of times that a penalty is needed here, but the amount of time it has taken is outrageous. I even went back and checked to make sure I did say so and wasn't going crazy.
I also feel the FIM/AMA needs to re-work how it structures its drug policies, to eliminate WADA from the sport because the process for recreational drugs, over the counter drugs, and anabloic steroids etc should not be the same process or punishment. Most other legitimate sports agree with that idea as well.
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KlootZak 12/15/2014 4:18pm
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Nope... Probably ahould have explained that better... Down here, If you're a leaner you're allowed to do 80 maximum in a 100 zone. So if I've...
Nope... Probably ahould have explained that better... Down here, If you're a leaner you're allowed to do 80 maximum in a 100 zone.

So if I've got don't doin f 95, and 2 months from now, I get my full licenses, that doesn't give me a mulligan on that fine because now I'm allowed to go faster than that. At the time I wasn't permitted to go faster than that.

So it's actually just the same
Oke then you are indeed right. I did not know that Shocked Strange rule though ...
2WheelsForTheMasses 12/15/2014 4:22pm
12/15/2014 4:22pm
Samdanny576 wrote:
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck...
I'd wonder how many people in this thread that say, "follow the rules, it does not matter how dumb they are and who gives a fuck how many Olympic athletes WADA has ruined for insanely dumb things they've taken months and years to decide on. This sport needs them!" are also religious.

I'm sorry but they're just not needed in this small sport. An independent lab could do the same thing for half the price, and we could get a result and decision in a quarter of the time it takes WADA.

It's not just Stewart that was confused this year. Other riders, including Grant were confused.
James was simply the only one that got penalized for it.

Here's another problem I'd like an answer for;
Is WADA testing biased and worthwhile if they don't test everyone?
Skippie wrote:
If you don't want to follow the rules that's fine, but don't whine and cry about it when you get penalized based off those rules. It's...
If you don't want to follow the rules that's fine, but don't whine and cry about it when you get penalized based off those rules. It's like it's an unreasonable rule either. If you need any of those substances, simply get a prescription fill out the damn form and you're done. When you test positive for it it's all taken care of. How hard is that?
? Iq? Dude have you not been following this thread?

The problem is that there is no penalty to this rule? This has never happened before and the confusion is everywhere...nobody knows what direction this is going to go. So to get a suspension of any kind, I feel would be unjust per the rules, as there aren't any regarding a Sx/Mx rider in this situation. Look at the Nfl, its clear as day what penalty will be enforced and when. Fim, ama prosports, dmg or whoever is running the show or dropping the penalty down should have a rule book w/guidelines and a timeframe with penalties in place so when the this happens we know the penalty to be enforced...at this point its subjected to who they are dealing with and what they are dealing with...bottom line I feel money will have a big part in this.
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FLmxer 12/15/2014 4:25pm
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$20,000 would be a lot but serious enough and all the haters will say it is not enough but to much for anyone else.
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1911 12/15/2014 4:30pm
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259 answers to this thread, and not one adds anything.
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Crush 12/15/2014 4:32pm
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FLmxer wrote:
$20,000 would be a lot but serious enough and all the haters will say it is not enough but to much for anyone else.
Yep/// Problem with monetary fines is, what is enough? And in terms of precedent, what is too much for future–ie say Seven Deuce Deuce finds himself in the same situation.

20, 50, 100, hell 250K are all easily digested for James, it's one less bike or car.

That's forever life changing for 722... But if you're gonna set a precedent...
2WheelsForTheMasses 12/15/2014 4:32pm
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1911 wrote:
259 answers to this thread, and not one adds anything.
And you just added another, so 260 and still nothing

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2WheelsForTheMasses 12/15/2014 4:34pm
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FLmxer wrote:
$20,000 would be a lot but serious enough and all the haters will say it is not enough but to much for anyone else.
Crush wrote:
Yep/// Problem with monetary fines is, what is enough? And in terms of precedent, what is too much for future–ie say Seven Deuce Deuce finds himself...
Yep/// Problem with monetary fines is, what is enough? And in terms of precedent, what is too much for future–ie say Seven Deuce Deuce finds himself in the same situation.

20, 50, 100, hell 250K are all easily digested for James, it's one less bike or car.

That's forever life changing for 722... But if you're gonna set a precedent...
Exactly right...
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Crush 12/15/2014 4:35pm
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Found that case... Affluenza... The term "affluenza" has also been used to refer to inability to understand the consequences of one's actions because of financial privilege, notably in the case of Ethan Couch.[2]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-court-rules-wealthy-teenager-suffered-fr…

Fucking astonishing.
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rippaaa 12/15/2014 4:37pm
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FLmxer wrote:
$20,000 would be a lot but serious enough and all the haters will say it is not enough but to much for anyone else.
Crush wrote:
Yep/// Problem with monetary fines is, what is enough? And in terms of precedent, what is too much for future–ie say Seven Deuce Deuce finds himself...
Yep/// Problem with monetary fines is, what is enough? And in terms of precedent, what is too much for future–ie say Seven Deuce Deuce finds himself in the same situation.

20, 50, 100, hell 250K are all easily digested for James, it's one less bike or car.

That's forever life changing for 722... But if you're gonna set a precedent...
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!!

If it's 20 000 first offence then im all for it, as long as everyone even a privateer gets the same as a top guy.
Samdanny576 12/15/2014 4:41pm
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? Iq? Dude have you not been following this thread? The problem is that there is no penalty to this rule? This has never happened before...
? Iq? Dude have you not been following this thread?

The problem is that there is no penalty to this rule? This has never happened before and the confusion is everywhere...nobody knows what direction this is going to go. So to get a suspension of any kind, I feel would be unjust per the rules, as there aren't any regarding a Sx/Mx rider in this situation. Look at the Nfl, its clear as day what penalty will be enforced and when. Fim, ama prosports, dmg or whoever is running the show or dropping the penalty down should have a rule book w/guidelines and a timeframe with penalties in place so when the this happens we know the penalty to be enforced...at this point its subjected to who they are dealing with and what they are dealing with...bottom line I feel money will have a big part in this.
This.
It's not fair to this sport that anytime someone fails a drug test we have to have it linger over our heads because we try to pass the responsibility off to others as apposed to writing rules, and consequences for these types of situations BEFORE they happen.

Just like Stewart should've filed for a TUE BEFORE he failed, the FIM/AMA should have rules in place for things you know will happen if you implement x or y. They have failed this sport far worse than Stewart has on this one.

You need to have these rules in place and state it will take X amount of time for this process so people don't sit around twiddling their thumbs wondering what is going on
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Crush 12/15/2014 4:42pm
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That was what was said above. That's the point, you can't do monetary impingement.

It shouldn't matter who it is, but you're dealing with multi-millionaires and dudes who are struggling to make rent or probably live in a van. So since you can't fairly issue the same fine for the same issue, therefore fines should not be issued.

And btw. You said you were done. So...
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Skippie 12/15/2014 4:43pm
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rippaaa wrote:
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!! If it's 20 000...
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!!

If it's 20 000 first offence then im all for it, as long as everyone even a privateer gets the same as a top guy.
I think the point is that the punishments have to be the same for everybody. But they also need to have the same effect on people. For a privateer barely making it to races 20k is a lot. For the guy making 5-10mil a year it doesn't even register. That is the problem with monetary fines. It should be race suspensions, whether it be one race or a whole season, everyone is effected the same.
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gsxrcr28 12/15/2014 4:43pm
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All fines should go to the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center.

I don't think riders will fail a test now though.
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rippaaa 12/15/2014 4:46pm
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rippaaa wrote:
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!! If it's 20 000...
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!!

If it's 20 000 first offence then im all for it, as long as everyone even a privateer gets the same as a top guy.
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I think the point is that the punishments have to be the same for everybody. But they also need to have the same effect on people...
I think the point is that the punishments have to be the same for everybody. But they also need to have the same effect on people. For a privateer barely making it to races 20k is a lot. For the guy making 5-10mil a year it doesn't even register. That is the problem with monetary fines. It should be race suspensions, whether it be one race or a whole season, everyone is effected the same.
Race suspensions are the other way around, a 4 race ban would probablly save a privateer some money while it would be even to a 250-400k fine for a top guy. (maybe more)

With a race suspension you will also be punishing sponsors, OEMs, factorys, supporters of the sport
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SF45 12/15/2014 4:50pm
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Stewart looks faster on Instagram right now than I remember recently. Hopefully he gets to race
Samdanny576 12/15/2014 4:51pm
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rippaaa wrote:
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!! If it's 20 000...
Well fuck, you guys want all the fines and penaltys to be even... you even said you don't care who it is!!

If it's 20 000 first offence then im all for it, as long as everyone even a privateer gets the same as a top guy.
Skippie wrote:
I think the point is that the punishments have to be the same for everybody. But they also need to have the same effect on people...
I think the point is that the punishments have to be the same for everybody. But they also need to have the same effect on people. For a privateer barely making it to races 20k is a lot. For the guy making 5-10mil a year it doesn't even register. That is the problem with monetary fines. It should be race suspensions, whether it be one race or a whole season, everyone is effected the same.
If only we had a rule book that had these things.
We wouldn't need to try and figure it out.

I guess I'm fed up with everyone involved in this situation from Stewart, to WADA, USADA, AMA, AMAPRO, FIM, FELD.
We have that many organizations involved with this sport and not a single one can write a drug policy.
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Torco1 12/15/2014 4:58pm
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The last time I snorted a couple Adderall I had the cops called on me. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea to mow all the neighbors lawns at 3:00 in the morning, they let me off with a warning though once my neighbors saw how good of a job I was doing.
Samdanny576 12/15/2014 5:00pm
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The last time I snorted a couple Adderall I had the cops called on me. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea...
The last time I snorted a couple Adderall I had the cops called on me. For some reason I thought it would be a good idea to mow all the neighbors lawns at 3:00 in the morning, they let me off with a warning though once my neighbors saw how good of a job I was doing.
I took it once in college because I was told it would allow me to study more for my final. Made me so crazy I couldn't read. My friends thst needed it would take it and be fine.
Amazing the different temperaments people have.

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