2 Stroke wins Endurocross Title, should it be banned?

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It seems like the racing was pretty fair, 300 2t's, 450 & 350 4t's.

But, do we need to have the rules changed to protect the other manufacturer's like in MX?

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So Cody Webb Took it?? Good going Cody!
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Johnny Depp wrote:
It seems like the racing was pretty fair, 300 2t's, 450 & 350 4t's. But, do we need to have the rules changed to protect the...
It seems like the racing was pretty fair, 300 2t's, 450 & 350 4t's.

But, do we need to have the rules changed to protect the other manufacturer's like in MX?

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Just do us all a favor and shut it!
Run what ya brung baby, leave it alone!
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Johnny Depp 11/24/2014 1:43pm
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You know Endurocross already kicked the trials bikes out of the Pro class.....

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GuyB 11/24/2014 1:46pm
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How about a rule against ridiculous topics?
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Sarcasm Alert
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They should only allow 450 MX bikes, you know, in case Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki take their toys and go home.
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racing was better in supercross with two strokes....not an opinion but a fact. the tracks were more technical and the inside line was actually used.
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GuyB 11/24/2014 2:06pm
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Sarcasm Alert
I got that it was sarcasm.

Sometimes there's a fine line between sarcasm and ridiculous.
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Johnny Depp wrote:
Sarcasm Alert
GuyB wrote:
I got that it was sarcasm.

Sometimes there's a fine line between sarcasm and ridiculous.
https://youtu.be/pCEzhv1Tqfo
There is also a fine line between fries and shakes.
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slackinoff 11/24/2014 2:11pm
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This is great, I like Cody and I like two strokes, both of my teams won.
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they need to ban the recluse clutch....
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nytsmaC wrote:
They should only allow 450 MX bikes, you know, in case Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki take their toys and go home.
No dammit, all the Japanese OEM's were against the two strokes, not just the three you listed. But none of the Japanese OEM's make a Beta, so it's just best to ban it too.

Funny shit, the far superior four stroke keeps getting it's ass handed to it in so many situations but it's still far superior. Don't piss off Honda though!
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They should definitely ban the 2-stroke and eliminate the unfair advantage they enjoy. Whistling
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How about we throw a curve ball at them and ban four strokes.
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newmann 11/24/2014 2:28pm
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rt987 wrote:
How about we throw a curve ball at them and ban four strokes.
Works for me.Laughing
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Johnny Depp 11/24/2014 2:28pm
11/24/2014 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/24/2014 2:41pm
There is precedent on a related matter. The Series becomes AMA sanctioned and trials bikes and tires get banned in 2008. All these years later we are seeing the Beta Xtrainer and KTM Freeride trials enduro hybrid bikes coming along. What if they had left it alone and see what it would have morphed into? The top riders are coming from trials and Extreme Enduro is a growth niche in a dwindling market.

The main point is that in AMA Endurocross there is a different set of rules and still parity exists.

Here's GNCC:
D. MACHINE ELIGIBILITY AND CLASSIFICATION:

1. XC1 Pro (Bikes): (122cc-Open 2/4 Stroke).

It sure was cool seeing Kailub Russell win on a 150 2t.


And Cats aren't sleeping with dogs. Maybe AMA SX and MX could give fans something back.





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newmann 11/24/2014 2:32pm
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But the AMA isn't the AMA they will say.Blink
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Samdanny576 11/24/2014 2:42pm
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How about a two-stroke section so people can argue about the good old days, and others can talk about racing.

Old school Moto does not seem to fill that gap I guess.
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Samdanny576 wrote:
How about a two-stroke section so people can argue about the good old days, and others can talk about racing. Old school Moto does not seem...
How about a two-stroke section so people can argue about the good old days, and others can talk about racing.

Old school Moto does not seem to fill that gap I guess.
How bout "you" dont like it don't post! Easy nough for ya
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One does not simply make a topic like that on VitalMX and gets away with it...Blink
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I am talking about racing.

I think we could agree that AMA SX is the premiere form of dirt bike racing in the world. Is it growing?

I just have a problem with the way the handicapping is done.

What do I care if a guy can win on a 2 cylinder diesel. Electric bikes are coming too. Run what ya brung.
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Samdanny576 wrote:
How about a two-stroke section so people can argue about the good old days, and others can talk about racing. Old school Moto does not seem...
How about a two-stroke section so people can argue about the good old days, and others can talk about racing.

Old school Moto does not seem to fill that gap I guess.
It appears that the tide has been turning for quite some time Dannyboy. Modern times here, and the 2 stroke still exists much to your (and 500...I mean uh 450 Guy's ) dismay.Smile

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newmann 11/24/2014 2:52pm
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Johnny Depp wrote:
I am talking about racing. I think we could agree that AMA SX is the premiere form of dirt bike racing in the world. Is it...
I am talking about racing.

I think we could agree that AMA SX is the premiere form of dirt bike racing in the world. Is it growing?

I just have a problem with the way the handicapping is done.

What do I care if a guy can win on a 2 cylinder diesel. Electric bikes are coming too. Run what ya brung.
Meh, I don't know. RV flicking a booger on it (and outdoors MX) makes you wonder.
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HenryA wrote:
One does not simply make a topic like that on VitalMX and gets away with it...Blink
If it wasn't a place for people to discuss issues and differences forums might have less unique visitors.




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Johnny Depp wrote:
There is precedent on a related matter. The Series becomes AMA sanctioned and trials bikes and tires get banned in 2008. All these years later we...
There is precedent on a related matter. The Series becomes AMA sanctioned and trials bikes and tires get banned in 2008. All these years later we are seeing the Beta Xtrainer and KTM Freeride trials enduro hybrid bikes coming along. What if they had left it alone and see what it would have morphed into? The top riders are coming from trials and Extreme Enduro is a growth niche in a dwindling market.

The main point is that in AMA Endurocross there is a different set of rules and still parity exists.

Here's GNCC:
D. MACHINE ELIGIBILITY AND CLASSIFICATION:

1. XC1 Pro (Bikes): (122cc-Open 2/4 Stroke).

It sure was cool seeing Kailub Russell win on a 150 2t.


And Cats aren't sleeping with dogs. Maybe AMA SX and MX could give fans something back.





That's a cool cat!
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Johnny Depp wrote:
There is precedent on a related matter. The Series becomes AMA sanctioned and trials bikes and tires get banned in 2008. All these years later we...
There is precedent on a related matter. The Series becomes AMA sanctioned and trials bikes and tires get banned in 2008. All these years later we are seeing the Beta Xtrainer and KTM Freeride trials enduro hybrid bikes coming along. What if they had left it alone and see what it would have morphed into? The top riders are coming from trials and Extreme Enduro is a growth niche in a dwindling market.

The main point is that in AMA Endurocross there is a different set of rules and still parity exists.

Here's GNCC:
D. MACHINE ELIGIBILITY AND CLASSIFICATION:

1. XC1 Pro (Bikes): (122cc-Open 2/4 Stroke).

It sure was cool seeing Kailub Russell win on a 150 2t.


And Cats aren't sleeping with dogs. Maybe AMA SX and MX could give fans something back.





yak651 wrote:
That's a cool cat!
I like dogs better.

That cat should be banned because it's not really a cat and has an unfair advantage!
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Maybe Webb is just the best rider and it has nothing to do with 2t vs 4t!
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Johnny Depp wrote:
It seems like the racing was pretty fair, 300 2t's, 450 & 350 4t's. But, do we need to have the rules changed to protect the...
It seems like the racing was pretty fair, 300 2t's, 450 & 350 4t's.

But, do we need to have the rules changed to protect the other manufacturer's like in MX?

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You nailed it!!!!!!! Pathetic isnt it

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