Baggett Lommel

Edited Date/Time 10/11/2014 7:09pm
Been meaning to approach this subject for a while. But keep letting it go. We all read how terrible both Baggett's MXDN visits were. Yes his first one was horrible. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't he battling for the championship in 2011 before sustaining an injury slowing him up and making him not even a contender against Wilson at the end. Sure he was the best American 250 rider to pick from 250 AMA Nationals, but he was not 100% for MXDN. Had a 450 rider been able to step down to the 250, this would of been the only way to have a competitive 250 rider that year.

Come Lommel the following year. In my opinion Baggett has shown weakness in sand. Only winning southwick 2012 due to Tomacs misfortune. Also crashing at Millville (kinda sandy) in both 2012 and 2014. The guy went out and got a 6th in his 2nd moto. Finishing first American that race and 2nd 250 rider.

Yes he got lapped. But his best score was better than Dungey's. I don't believe he was the best pick for Lommel. (Tomac or a 450 rider probably). But he did step up and I think he should be proud of that 6th and we should give the guy a little more credit.

In the last 6 teams. That 6th on a 250 is Team USA's 2nd best 250 finish at MXDN. (Tomacs 2nd last year being better).


On a complete side note. I did not realise just how great Poto was at MXDN on a 250. His finishes from the 3 events he did -

3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 10 - 1. Wow!

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10/11/2014 3:03am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2014 3:03am
Been meaning to approach this subject for a while. But keep letting it go. We all read how terrible both Baggett's MXDN visits were. Yes his...
Been meaning to approach this subject for a while. But keep letting it go. We all read how terrible both Baggett's MXDN visits were. Yes his first one was horrible. Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't he battling for the championship in 2011 before sustaining an injury slowing him up and making him not even a contender against Wilson at the end. Sure he was the best American 250 rider to pick from 250 AMA Nationals, but he was not 100% for MXDN. Had a 450 rider been able to step down to the 250, this would of been the only way to have a competitive 250 rider that year.

Come Lommel the following year. In my opinion Baggett has shown weakness in sand. Only winning southwick 2012 due to Tomacs misfortune. Also crashing at Millville (kinda sandy) in both 2012 and 2014. The guy went out and got a 6th in his 2nd moto. Finishing first American that race and 2nd 250 rider.

Yes he got lapped. But his best score was better than Dungey's. I don't believe he was the best pick for Lommel. (Tomac or a 450 rider probably). But he did step up and I think he should be proud of that 6th and we should give the guy a little more credit.

In the last 6 teams. That 6th on a 250 is Team USA's 2nd best 250 finish at MXDN. (Tomacs 2nd last year being better).


On a complete side note. I did not realise just how great Poto was at MXDN on a 250. His finishes from the 3 events he did -

3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 10 - 1. Wow!

He's done 4 MXdN events. In 2011 he went 3-1. He has never lost his class overall championship, he has never lost to Cairoli, and U.S. teams with him on them are 4-0.
10/11/2014 3:23am
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He's done 4 MXdN events. In 2011 he went 3-1. He has never lost his class overall championship, he has never lost to Cairoli, and U.S...
He's done 4 MXdN events. In 2011 he went 3-1. He has never lost his class overall championship, he has never lost to Cairoli, and U.S. teams with him on them are 4-0.
You cant really take anything out of it for the comparison with AC... He did beat RV, he won the second moto at Matterly Basin, he didnt race in Donington and went DNF-DNF in 2011.
Other than that impressive stats by RV, thats also why I think he will beat Cairoli next year, he doesnt seem to struggle to cope with different tracks in different countries (at least not as bad as other people that go over to Europe or the other way)
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10/11/2014 3:34am
So this Baggett thread turned into a RV vs AC in 3 posts. O'boy!

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10/11/2014 3:36am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2014 3:49am
pilotdude wrote:
He's done 4 MXdN events. In 2011 he went 3-1. He has never lost his class overall championship, he has never lost to Cairoli, and U.S...
He's done 4 MXdN events. In 2011 he went 3-1. He has never lost his class overall championship, he has never lost to Cairoli, and U.S. teams with him on them are 4-0.
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You cant really take anything out of it for the comparison with AC... He did beat RV, he won the second moto at Matterly Basin, he...
You cant really take anything out of it for the comparison with AC... He did beat RV, he won the second moto at Matterly Basin, he didnt race in Donington and went DNF-DNF in 2011.
Other than that impressive stats by RV, thats also why I think he will beat Cairoli next year, he doesnt seem to struggle to cope with different tracks in different countries (at least not as bad as other people that go over to Europe or the other way)
Yes, I know about that moto. I posted that on purpose because I knew someone would say, "he beat RV in 1 moto in 2006", which was also RV's rookie year. Cairoli has never beaten RV at a MXdN for a class overall win.

And you left out the massacre at Budds Creek from you stats.

But all that aside, all questions will be answered next year.
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10/11/2014 5:43am
I think he's a sleeper for next year, as is Wilson.
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10/11/2014 5:54am
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I think he's a sleeper for next year, as is Wilson.
Hes a sleeper alright. He better not be hitting the snooze button when the gate drops in the 450s like he has for years in the 250s.
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10/11/2014 6:57am
Olson wrote:
So this Baggett thread turned into a RV vs AC in 3 posts. O'boy!
Damn I would have lost the over/under bet on this post of it turning into RV vs AC in 5 posts.

The crew here is really turning it up!!!
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10/11/2014 7:09am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2014 7:09am
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I think he's a sleeper for next year, as is Wilson.
Baggett is going to be a terror on the 450 in MX. I expect similar results to Kenny and Tomac's rookie seasons or better.
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machine wrote:
I think he's a sleeper for next year, as is Wilson.
FroDiddy wrote:
Baggett is going to be a terror on the 450 in MX. I expect similar results to Kenny and Tomac's rookie seasons or better.
Or better? Perfect season?
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Olson wrote:
So this Baggett thread turned into a RV vs AC in 3 posts. O'boy!
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Damn I would have lost the over/under bet on this post of it turning into RV vs AC in 5 posts. The crew here is really...
Damn I would have lost the over/under bet on this post of it turning into RV vs AC in 5 posts.

The crew here is really turning it up!!!
The time from now to February 28th will take forever if that is the only thing we have to talk about.
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10/11/2014 8:39am
Zracer wrote:
Hes a sleeper alright. He better not be hitting the snooze button when the gate drops in the 450s like he has for years in the...
Hes a sleeper alright. He better not be hitting the snooze button when the gate drops in the 450s like he has for years in the 250s.
There's a difference between hitting the snooze button (Weimer?) and having a very serious injury, similar to what forced RJ to retire.

Speaking of JW12, who's he riding for in '15?
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10/11/2014 8:58am
Big fan of Baggett here......hoping his rookie 450 year isn't to brutal. He'll be extremely fast at some races.....but I have a feeling we'll see him going down a few times. Lots of potential there......but the 450 class has a steep learning curve.
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I'm really interested to see where Baggett fits in during supercross. Once he finds some consistency (I too think the first few rounds could be rough), I can see him in that second tier.
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I'm really interested to see where Baggett fits in during supercross. Once he finds some consistency (I too think the first few rounds could be rough)...
I'm really interested to see where Baggett fits in during supercross. Once he finds some consistency (I too think the first few rounds could be rough), I can see him in that second tier.
I just hope he stays healthy for outdoors...
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10/11/2014 10:51am
Whoa let's reel it back to RV in Europe Silly I wonder if he goes through the same problems KROC did here. His first year with the food, heat and the language barrier. I wonder with all the languages , food, regional customs and new tracks how well RV will adapt in year one.
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10/11/2014 12:06pm
am i the only one that thinks baggett is & goona do decent in SX??
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10/11/2014 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2014 4:15pm
crusty_xx wrote:
You cant really take anything out of it for the comparison with AC... He did beat RV, he won the second moto at Matterly Basin, he...
You cant really take anything out of it for the comparison with AC... He did beat RV, he won the second moto at Matterly Basin, he didnt race in Donington and went DNF-DNF in 2011.
Other than that impressive stats by RV, thats also why I think he will beat Cairoli next year, he doesnt seem to struggle to cope with different tracks in different countries (at least not as bad as other people that go over to Europe or the other way)
Don't understand why the who beat who with these 2 but anyhow that's correct,they've only raced each other in 2 really that you can compare how they stacked up against each other,2006 AC was clearly faster,2007 RV was clearly faster

I'm undecided about Baggett,don't see him doing too much indoors,is he still on a 250 outdoors though?
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10/11/2014 6:03pm
PressPassP, was Cairoli clearly faster in 2006? RV's fastest lap was 1.4 secs faster than Cairoli's in the qualifying heat, 3.6 secs faster in moto 1, and .37 secs faster in moto 2.
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PressPassP, was Cairoli clearly faster in 2006? RV's fastest lap was 1.4 secs faster than Cairoli's in the qualifying heat, 3.6 secs faster in moto 1...
PressPassP, was Cairoli clearly faster in 2006? RV's fastest lap was 1.4 secs faster than Cairoli's in the qualifying heat, 3.6 secs faster in moto 1, and .37 secs faster in moto 2.
Cairoli passed RV in that moto, and rode away to the win. That's the result - not one lap .37 of a second faster. And, it goes the same for the first moto - RV beat AC in that one. ACs crap start / prang(?) be buggered. The resullt at the end of the moto, is what counts.

Baggett should be interesting next year on a 450 - he's smaller than RV, I think, so should have a heck of a power to weight thing on his side.
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10/11/2014 6:48pm
Cairoli and Townley both passed RV when he went off the track in that moto. The end result was RV winning the class with a 3-2 and Cairoli getting 3rd with a 10-1.

If Baggett can make it through supercross healthy, it will be interesting to see how he does in the nationals.
10/11/2014 7:09pm
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am i the only one that thinks baggett is & goona do decent in SX??
Yeah I agree. I think he will be fine. I don't think he is a superstar at Supercross. (That can change). However I do believe he is overly underrated at it. I have posted the comparison of his and Wilsons SX wins and the amount difference isn't thaaat much different, Yet Wilson is just sprayed with pump.

I can't see Wilson over coming his arm pump issues easily this year.

Anyway once the gate drops we will see what Baggett can do. Nobody has seen him on a 450 and that plays a lot into peoples expectations. If you ask anyone who they think will do better out of Seely or Anderson next year, they will all (most) say Seely. Why is this? Because we have seen Seely ride one already.


*I have no idea how my initial comments patting RV on the back for his 250 MXDN rides could turn into an AC vs RV topic lol.

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