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SRP33 8/18/2014 8:20am
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First Turns have to be a lot wider,Unadilla was so tight. MX is not SX you have 40 guys ripping a front corner.



looks to me like the Holeshot thing can be moved over 10 feet. also do we really need that at all, looks nice but having something like that on the start is questionable

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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 8:39am
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implicate order wrote:
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/18/62769/s1200_dungy_2.jpg[/img] Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though. Where his roost starts is on the track...



Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though.

Where his roost starts is on the track, he had to pin it through the mud. Had he tried to stay on the track he would have been at least 12th, as my previous photo showed. This off the track stuff is being made out to be a gray area and it's BS.

Dungy is the one that is caught this time but this isn't about him or anyone else directly. All of the top guys have done it at one point or another. It should be a fine AND points for everyone. JT was fined and he was sent proof yet it wasn't even him! The trying to get better excuse is ridiculous. How long have they been doing this?
He isn't off the track at that point. He doesn't leave the track until he passes the bale at the beginning of the banners.

There are no track markers until then for him to pass through. If you believe he is off the track in this photo, please point out the track markers that he has went beyond.
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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 8:42am
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implicate order wrote:
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
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He doesn't go off the track til he passes the bale at the start of the banners. Up to that point there are no markers on...
He doesn't go off the track til he passes the bale at the start of the banners. Up to that point there are no markers on the left side of the track that would imply an 'edge'. The bale at the start of the banners would qualify, though, per the rule book. Therefore, he's at best in 12th position when he actually leaves the race track, and he's in a much better position when he reenters.
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Nope. Watch the video on page one and freeze frame it. His front tire is off the track and he is in 7th place. Anyone who...
Nope. Watch the video on page one and freeze frame it. His front tire is off the track and he is in 7th place. Anyone who says he gained some advantage either hasn't watched the video or is seeing what they want to see. 12th position is simply laughable.
Show the track markers that he crossed. You're confusing the main line with the track, and that's just silly. Dungey was in a bad spot, but not off the track.
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He doesn't go off the track til he passes the bale at the start of the banners. Up to that point there are no markers on...
He doesn't go off the track til he passes the bale at the start of the banners. Up to that point there are no markers on the left side of the track that would imply an 'edge'. The bale at the start of the banners would qualify, though, per the rule book. Therefore, he's at best in 12th position when he actually leaves the race track, and he's in a much better position when he reenters.
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Nope. Watch the video on page one and freeze frame it. His front tire is off the track and he is in 7th place. Anyone who...
Nope. Watch the video on page one and freeze frame it. His front tire is off the track and he is in 7th place. Anyone who says he gained some advantage either hasn't watched the video or is seeing what they want to see. 12th position is simply laughable.
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Show the track markers that he crossed. You're confusing the main line with the track, and that's just silly. Dungey was in a bad spot, but...
Show the track markers that he crossed. You're confusing the main line with the track, and that's just silly. Dungey was in a bad spot, but not off the track.
Freeze the video, his front wheel is off the track.

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implicate order 8/18/2014 8:48am
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implicate order wrote:
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/18/62769/s1200_dungy_2.jpg[/img] Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though. Where his roost starts is on the track...



Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though.

Where his roost starts is on the track, he had to pin it through the mud. Had he tried to stay on the track he would have been at least 12th, as my previous photo showed. This off the track stuff is being made out to be a gray area and it's BS.

Dungy is the one that is caught this time but this isn't about him or anyone else directly. All of the top guys have done it at one point or another. It should be a fine AND points for everyone. JT was fined and he was sent proof yet it wasn't even him! The trying to get better excuse is ridiculous. How long have they been doing this?
Yes, that is better and as you can see his front wheel is off track and he's in 7th place. Again, take off your blinders, the proof is right in front of you that Dungey didn't cheat. But like someone said, some of you see what you want to see.
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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 8:51am
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steveada, it was the same penalty that Cooper Webb and friends got at Unadilla, which was nothing. That will change next year, I promise, but the...
steveada, it was the same penalty that Cooper Webb and friends got at Unadilla, which was nothing. That will change next year, I promise, but the precedence was set for this year, right or wrong, and we adhere to it for one more race and then get to work. In the meantime, we will work harder to keep them on the track at Utah.

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But if they find a way to cut the track like this, will they get away with it because precedence has already been set?

That's the danger of deciding not to enforce a rule because you've made a mistake before. Now any rider next week should feel that the track markers are nothing more than suggestions and if they don't follow the rules when going off the track they can't be penalized.

In all honesty, something tells me that if either Webb or Dungey weren't top 5 guys, they would have been penalized without much thought. But the stature of these guys probably made everyone waffle, much as RV's off track excursions under the previous rule did.
implicate order 8/18/2014 8:51am
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implicate order wrote:
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/18/62769/s1200_dungy_2.jpg[/img] Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though. Where his roost starts is on the track...



Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though.

Where his roost starts is on the track, he had to pin it through the mud. Had he tried to stay on the track he would have been at least 12th, as my previous photo showed. This off the track stuff is being made out to be a gray area and it's BS.

Dungy is the one that is caught this time but this isn't about him or anyone else directly. All of the top guys have done it at one point or another. It should be a fine AND points for everyone. JT was fined and he was sent proof yet it wasn't even him! The trying to get better excuse is ridiculous. How long have they been doing this?
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He isn't off the track at that point. He doesn't leave the track until he passes the bale at the beginning of the banners. There are...
He isn't off the track at that point. He doesn't leave the track until he passes the bale at the beginning of the banners.

There are no track markers until then for him to pass through. If you believe he is off the track in this photo, please point out the track markers that he has went beyond.
How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail which is line with the rest of the markers that indicate where the tracks starts and ends.
Motocross83 8/18/2014 8:52am
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I don't think that saying the mud was so deep that he had to go off the track is justification for what he did. Lets just...
I don't think that saying the mud was so deep that he had to go off the track is justification for what he did. Lets just say that the location where he went off the track didn't offer the option to go out onto the service road. What options would he have then? It sucks for him, but he would have to navigate back through the mud and join the race period. It was not like he went flying off the track and was on the service road before he regained control. He was in the mud and decided the service road looked better than the mud. Yes he may have got stuck in the mud, but in conditions like that, sometimes mistakes end up costing you a lot more than if conditions were better. Is it really "fair" that he made a mistake, went off into the mud that essentially ended more than 1 riders race, yet did not loose a position because he had the option of avoiding the mud and going up the service road?
Completely agree, well said.
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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 8:54am
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implicate order wrote:
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/18/62769/s1200_dungy_2.jpg[/img] Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though. Where his roost starts is on the track...



Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though.

Where his roost starts is on the track, he had to pin it through the mud. Had he tried to stay on the track he would have been at least 12th, as my previous photo showed. This off the track stuff is being made out to be a gray area and it's BS.

Dungy is the one that is caught this time but this isn't about him or anyone else directly. All of the top guys have done it at one point or another. It should be a fine AND points for everyone. JT was fined and he was sent proof yet it wasn't even him! The trying to get better excuse is ridiculous. How long have they been doing this?
implicate order wrote:
Yes, that is better and as you can see his front wheel is off track and he's in 7th place. Again, take off your blinders, the...
Yes, that is better and as you can see his front wheel is off track and he's in 7th place. Again, take off your blinders, the proof is right in front of you that Dungey didn't cheat. But like someone said, some of you see what you want to see.
Nothing on Dungey's bike is off the track in that frame. Can you point out the track marker that his front wheel has passed?

Oh wait, it hasn't.

DC's already said that Dungey broke the rule but won't be punished.
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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 8:56am
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How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail...
How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail which is line with the rest of the markers that indicate where the tracks starts and ends.
His front tire is 20 feet from the marker. The track line runs from yellow pylon along the bales. That should be obvious to anyone.
implicate order 8/18/2014 8:56am
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My question to you guys that want to string him up is simple... What was he supposed to do? Was he supposed to just give up...
My question to you guys that want to string him up is simple...

What was he supposed to do? Was he supposed to just give up because he made a mistake?

I think he actions were as safe, sound, respectful, and as honest as a racer could possibly be.


Pushed wide into the slippery slop
Forced to run off the track
Rode off the pace beside the track until he could safely re-enter without blatantly over-taking.


Besides stopping and letting the entire field go by (which seems silly to me), what else could he have done? He didn't blatantly go off track on purpose, and he didn't "charge" the access road for an advantage.

This thread is a witch hunt.
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"Rode off the pace beside the track"

He was fucking pinned and passing people that were on the track bro
People that were already behind him when he went off the track. You Dungey haters need to get over it.
implicate order 8/18/2014 8:59am
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implicate order wrote:
How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail...
How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail which is line with the rest of the markers that indicate where the tracks starts and ends.
APLMAN99 wrote:
His front tire is 20 feet from the marker. The track line runs from yellow pylon along the bales. That should be obvious to anyone.
If you draw a line down the track from the markers, you can see Dungey is off the track. This is pretty simple stuff.

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philG 8/18/2014 9:00am
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Gringoe, I agree he should have gone slower, and that's why we are revisiting the rule. And yes, if you were confronted with the piles of...
Gringoe, I agree he should have gone slower, and that's why we are revisiting the rule. And yes, if you were confronted with the piles of mud we had all along both sides of the track, I think they would have treated you the same way as Dungey. It was a mess, and I wish I would have been there on the start to make sure the hay bales blocked the road completely, but I was a little busy right before the start on the other side of the start, dealing with a different situation that was more urgent than those two hay bales...



It's easy to not be there yet second-guess everyone's actions and decisions, but please understand it was a fluid situation to say the least.

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The onus should be on the rider to do the right thing or face penalty, not for you to personally run round sticking bales in the way , but while those penalties are ignored it wont get any better... I agree that moving the goalposts with one race to go isn't ideal , but with so many $$ on the line , someone further down the field got screwed over because of that.

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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 9:03am
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implicate order wrote:
How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail...
How did you decide where the track starts and ends? His front tire is barely past that yellow marker and even with the first hay bail which is line with the rest of the markers that indicate where the tracks starts and ends.
APLMAN99 wrote:
His front tire is 20 feet from the marker. The track line runs from yellow pylon along the bales. That should be obvious to anyone.
implicate order wrote:
If you draw a line down the track from the markers, you can see Dungey is off the track. This is pretty simple stuff.

Oh shit, that's how you are looking at it? If you draw a line down the track fron nearly any two points in a corner, nearly the entire previous straight is "off the track" so ..........

The problem you are having is that you don't understand the marking of the track. Dungey doesn't actually go off the track until he passes the bales and begins traveling on the access road.
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Bret 8/18/2014 9:30am
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I don't believe that RD was trying to cut the track. It was an unfortunate consequence of the muddy conditions. I would suspect that he did everything in his power to rejoin the race in accordance to the rules base on what he thought his position was when he left the track. It was a mess out there and he did his best.
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GuyB 8/18/2014 9:32am
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Guess it's time to break out the blood pressure cuff. Some of you seem to have veins popping out in your necks. Wink
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h&m_cycle 8/18/2014 9:38am
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hope none of our guys do that in the Des Nations
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DC 8/18/2014 9:39am
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ALPMAN99, there were seven other guys that followed Cooper Webb around the outside and they weren't penalized either. I told you we would work on this for next season, and I made the mistake of not getting it done before that first 450 Moto. We need a better holeshot structure and tighter rules, and videos like this only make it more obvious.

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peelout 8/18/2014 9:48am
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ALPMAN99, there were seven other guys that followed Cooper Webb around the outside and they weren't penalized either. I told you we would work on this...
ALPMAN99, there were seven other guys that followed Cooper Webb around the outside and they weren't penalized either. I told you we would work on this for next season, and I made the mistake of not getting it done before that first 450 Moto. We need a better holeshot structure and tighter rules, and videos like this only make it more obvious.

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DC,
give me a big high-power water hose and i'll stand in the first corner in Tooele and anyone that gets outside the markers around turn 1 is getting blasted hah Smile
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DC, give me a big high-power water hose and i'll stand in the first corner in Tooele and anyone that gets outside the markers around turn...
DC,
give me a big high-power water hose and i'll stand in the first corner in Tooele and anyone that gets outside the markers around turn 1 is getting blasted hah Smile
Depending on the temps, they might actually appreciate that.

I'll tell Trey to stack up three pairs of goggles.
thrillbillie91 8/18/2014 9:50am
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hope none of our guys do that in the Des Nations
He did it in Belgium and Germany re entering at high speed
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DC, give me a big high-power water hose and i'll stand in the first corner in Tooele and anyone that gets outside the markers around turn...
DC,
give me a big high-power water hose and i'll stand in the first corner in Tooele and anyone that gets outside the markers around turn 1 is getting blasted hah Smile
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Depending on the temps, they might actually appreciate that.

I'll tell Trey to stack up three pairs of goggles.
83 and cloudy looking at Saturday from now... hopefully it stays there.

i'll shoot you a PM, stop by our camp area and i'll hook you up with a cold one
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IWreckALot 8/18/2014 10:10am
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implicate order wrote:
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/08/18/62769/s1200_dungy_2.jpg[/img] Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though. Where his roost starts is on the track...



Is this better? 6th at most 7th? No blinders here, you might want to check yourself though.

Where his roost starts is on the track, he had to pin it through the mud. Had he tried to stay on the track he would have been at least 12th, as my previous photo showed. This off the track stuff is being made out to be a gray area and it's BS.

Dungy is the one that is caught this time but this isn't about him or anyone else directly. All of the top guys have done it at one point or another. It should be a fine AND points for everyone. JT was fined and he was sent proof yet it wasn't even him! The trying to get better excuse is ridiculous. How long have they been doing this?
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Yes, that is better and as you can see his front wheel is off track and he's in 7th place. Again, take off your blinders, the...
Yes, that is better and as you can see his front wheel is off track and he's in 7th place. Again, take off your blinders, the proof is right in front of you that Dungey didn't cheat. But like someone said, some of you see what you want to see.
I wanted to quote this picture one more time. It's a beaut.
AnimalHungry 8/18/2014 10:12am
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So what's wrong with the old rule of making riders re-enter the track where they left it?

From a logical point of view I don't understand why it's OK if a rider makes a mistake and goes off the track but doesn't gain an advantage (i.e. he also doesn't lose any ground either)? Surely that's the same as saying "Sure, you can push the limits of traction and if you mess up then you can take a short cut that leaves you in the same place as you were before you messed up without any penalty". I don't get it cos that just encourages guys to push the envelope knowing that there are no consequences (from a rules POV) if they screw up and leave the track.

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DC 8/18/2014 10:15am
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ALPMAN99, what you didn't see online was all of the track markers on the outside buried in mud by the bulldozers that were trying to scrape the deepest slop off the track. Dungey should have gotten stuck in the mud he crossed over but he didn't, which was not the case for Jimmy Albertson and Killy Rusk.

Safety is the priority, and the lanes are there on either side of the track so that the Asterisk Mobile Medics can access as much of the track as possible at any time in the race. Next week we will do better at barricading the inside and outside, which was our intention after Unadilla, only to get hit by some heavy rain. I'm we won't have that problem in Utah.

Thanks for the input, I see the problem clearly, moving on.

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APLMAN99 8/18/2014 10:27am
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ALPMAN99, there were seven other guys that followed Cooper Webb around the outside and they weren't penalized either. I told you we would work on this...
ALPMAN99, there were seven other guys that followed Cooper Webb around the outside and they weren't penalized either. I told you we would work on this for next season, and I made the mistake of not getting it done before that first 450 Moto. We need a better holeshot structure and tighter rules, and videos like this only make it more obvious.

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DC, I know that there were several riders who rode around the outside at Unadilla but there's a reason you referred to them as "Cooper Webb and friends" instead of just "eight riders". Any time a top tier guy is involved, the interpretation and enforcement of the rules becomes a lot more fluid. This isn't exclusive to MX/SX by any means, but it sometimes seems more accentuated.

Baseball has a different strike zone for different pitchers, basketball has no-calls on star players when it comes to traveling or fouling out at the end of a game, etc.

The real issue to me is that choosing not to enforce this rule because of a mistake made a few weeks ago opens up a lot of creative thinking for Utah.....

And I'm not bashing you, just discussing. I don't envy you in any way because any decision you make about anything to do with the MX series is going to be hated by someone. I'm appreciative that your skin is much thicker than mine would be in your position and you're willing to discuss these types of things with what I consider to be the grass roots of the sport who've been following for 4 decades or more and are still interested in the future of it. I'm hoping you don't misinterpret disagreement or questioning with a lack of respect for your hard work, effort, or obvious love for what you believe to be the good of the sport.
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fidiot 8/18/2014 10:40am
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Good response Alpman99. I can appreciate that DC was busy and dealing with other problems and how hindsight is always 20/20. I'm just trying to help discuss ways to improve the situtation. I hope others who have posted feel the same way.
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There is a reason DC gets so much respect from those of us who always seem to be stuck at work. He may not have my beloved 125's out on the national stage, but the dude just busts his ass to get things done. Never see him standing around doing nothing, always on the run or getting his hands dirty. I like the way he rolls. Any time I'm at a race I always make an effort to shake his hand and thank him for all he does.

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DC 8/18/2014 10:48am
8/18/2014 10:48am
No, ALPMAN, I called them "Cooper Webb and friends" because I wasn't at Unadilla to see all of them, though Webb clearly was the leader and visible. I was watching Unadilla on my screen. But I did just pull up some photos just now to see that "and friends" would include appear to include Jace Owen, Justin Starling, Cole Martinez, Dakota Tedder... And isn't the internet about shorthand, LOL?

I did not set this up for failure by saying we set a precedence in Unadilla that we should follow these last two races. It would have been hard to dock Ryan Dungey for what happened here after not docking all of those guys at Unadilla. What we should have done was have all the hay bales out like we planned, but they got moved so they medics could get through and I failed to move them back. I plan on having it sorted better and being there to make sure in Utah. (And I don't think anyone other than Dungey went off and made it through the mud on any of the starts.)

I know you're not bashing me but I am starting to feel bad for the dead horse that is getting bashed here.... Wait, maybe we can use that for a track barrier in Utah!

Just kidding.

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