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Isn't the rule something like, "enter the track at next safe entrance without gaining an advantage"? Seems that he didn't gain any positions from when he went off the track, I don't see a problem, he followed the rules..
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8/17/2014 3:24pm
The video from above is better - Dungey lost a lot of places. With Canard in second crashing, I doubt nothing (or should) happen to Dungey.
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Isn't the rule something like, "enter the track at next safe entrance without gaining an advantage"? Seems that he didn't gain any positions from when he...
Isn't the rule something like, "enter the track at next safe entrance without gaining an advantage"? Seems that he didn't gain any positions from when he went off the track, I don't see a problem, he followed the rules..
Yes.... when you see the video above the action, Dungey did not have an advantage.
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Isn't the rule something like, "enter the track at next safe entrance without gaining an advantage"? Seems that he didn't gain any positions from when he...
Isn't the rule something like, "enter the track at next safe entrance without gaining an advantage"? Seems that he didn't gain any positions from when he went off the track, I don't see a problem, he followed the rules..
This^^ if people can't see this on that video they are blind, to say that Dungey blatantly cheated is just plain stupidity.

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After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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8/17/2014 3:43pm
DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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8/17/2014 3:51pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2014 3:54pm
DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the track like that, not just slow down because we all have a different idea of what slow down is., A rider should not be able to maintain or gain status by leaving the course. it would have been more fair for the 38 other riders had Dungey not been allowed to go that far, if he gets stuck in the mud well there's your penalty for making a mistake.
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In this case, I think a track official should be at the end of the run-off road where Dungey re-entered. Stop any racers that come thru and hold them until the bulk of the pack goes by......probably a few seconds. It would prevent any advantage to the racer, act as a penalty and most importantly, keep the racer from jumping out in front of half the pack from out of nowhere and cause more chaos.

Make it known to the racers at the riders meeting and anyone that doesn't obey the official and possibly puts them in harms way, will be black flagged and done for the day.
8/17/2014 5:36pm
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Blatant cheating... they should have a timing wire in the jump, and if you dont go over it , you are DQ'd... this is why 180...
Blatant cheating... they should have a timing wire in the jump, and if you dont go over it , you are DQ'd... this is why 180 first turns are better... nothing to gain from going off track , although they still did it at Millville , so put a proper fence there, and stop it straight away..
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage. The same riders that were ahead of him when he went off were ahead of him when he came back on.

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8/17/2014 6:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2014 6:12pm
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage...
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage. The same riders that were ahead of him when he went off were ahead of him when he came back on.

You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made it to the side of the track he was much further back. In this photo he is at best 12th yet he comes out top ten? Therefor he had to have passed people while he wasn't on the track.



A mistake is a mistake. They need to stop cutting giant sections of the track, banners or not. As far as safety goes why aren't the made to wait and re- enter when possible? Noren hit the gate maybe he should have been able to cut the first 4 corners to catch back up.
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Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage...
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage. The same riders that were ahead of him when he went off were ahead of him when he came back on.

MX455 wrote:
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made...
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made it to the side of the track he was much further back. In this photo he is at best 12th yet he comes out top ten? Therefor he had to have passed people while he wasn't on the track.



A mistake is a mistake. They need to stop cutting giant sections of the track, banners or not. As far as safety goes why aren't the made to wait and re- enter when possible? Noren hit the gate maybe he should have been able to cut the first 4 corners to catch back up.
Does it show where he came back in or does it just show when he comes around the corner? I don't remember if it does post a pic of that
8/17/2014 6:37pm
DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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500guy wrote:
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the...
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the track like that, not just slow down because we all have a different idea of what slow down is., A rider should not be able to maintain or gain status by leaving the course. it would have been more fair for the 38 other riders had Dungey not been allowed to go that far, if he gets stuck in the mud well there's your penalty for making a mistake.
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal.

Just because you don't gain a position does not mean you don't gain an advantage.

There needs to be some type of penalty for a rider who runs of track and comes on 1 2, 3 or more corners later.

Make it a mandatory 10 second per corner missed on lap one and 5 seconds per corner missed after lap one and I bet every single riders finds a way to get back on the track quicker, or takes the penalty they deserve.

There just seems to be no penalty for running off the track.

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DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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500guy wrote:
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the...
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the track like that, not just slow down because we all have a different idea of what slow down is., A rider should not be able to maintain or gain status by leaving the course. it would have been more fair for the 38 other riders had Dungey not been allowed to go that far, if he gets stuck in the mud well there's your penalty for making a mistake.
aaryn #234 wrote:
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal. Just because you don't gain a position does not mean...
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal.

Just because you don't gain a position does not mean you don't gain an advantage.

There needs to be some type of penalty for a rider who runs of track and comes on 1 2, 3 or more corners later.

Make it a mandatory 10 second per corner missed on lap one and 5 seconds per corner missed after lap one and I bet every single riders finds a way to get back on the track quicker, or takes the penalty they deserve.

There just seems to be no penalty for running off the track.

Why don't we let the rules be decided on by the committees and racers who are licensed and sign agreements and actually race... Not us keyboard hero's ?
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8/17/2014 6:45pm
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kroc's 20 ahead now. How many more does he need?

I see a lot of hand-wringing over hypotheticals, but not much else.
Aha oh well that makes it okay then.


I like the noren hitting the gate comparison.

But what more do you expect from a controlling body and media that has more grey areas and double standards then I've seen anywhere else.

Hush it under the rug with a few dismissing one liners and move along.
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8/17/2014 6:52pm
tobz wrote:
Aha oh well that makes it okay then. I like the noren hitting the gate comparison. But what more do you expect from a controlling body...
Aha oh well that makes it okay then.


I like the noren hitting the gate comparison.

But what more do you expect from a controlling body and media that has more grey areas and double standards then I've seen anywhere else.

Hush it under the rug with a few dismissing one liners and move along.
For the most part what you're getting here is my opinion. The people that I see most worried about it are here in the forum, not in the paddock.
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Most the people throwing a hissy fit about this are the euros. Ironic? He didn't gain an advantage and there was no other spot to get back in that didn't have mud.
8/17/2014 6:56pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2014 7:00pm
500guy wrote:
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the...
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the track like that, not just slow down because we all have a different idea of what slow down is., A rider should not be able to maintain or gain status by leaving the course. it would have been more fair for the 38 other riders had Dungey not been allowed to go that far, if he gets stuck in the mud well there's your penalty for making a mistake.
aaryn #234 wrote:
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal. Just because you don't gain a position does not mean...
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal.

Just because you don't gain a position does not mean you don't gain an advantage.

There needs to be some type of penalty for a rider who runs of track and comes on 1 2, 3 or more corners later.

Make it a mandatory 10 second per corner missed on lap one and 5 seconds per corner missed after lap one and I bet every single riders finds a way to get back on the track quicker, or takes the penalty they deserve.

There just seems to be no penalty for running off the track.

sozo wrote:
Why don't we let the rules be decided on by the committees and racers who are licensed and sign agreements and actually race... Not us keyboard...
Why don't we let the rules be decided on by the committees and racers who are licensed and sign agreements and actually race... Not us keyboard hero's ?
Because this is a message board where we chat about these things and discuss them!

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8/17/2014 6:58pm
Getndome wrote:
Does it show where he came back in or does it just show when he comes around the corner? I don't remember if it does post...
Does it show where he came back in or does it just show when he comes around the corner? I don't remember if it does post a pic of that
By the start in the background and the track map I believe this is the fourth corner. Can someone confirm this?



If you watch the video at 10:29 and count the riders as they come through in the very next corner you can see the rider circled is Dungy.

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8/17/2014 7:01pm
They should just ad some whoops next to the first turn, or maybe a shark tank.
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8/17/2014 7:08pm
DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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500guy wrote:
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the...
Safety is #1 , I still say there needs to be a penalty (in the form of being made to lose time) for going off the track like that, not just slow down because we all have a different idea of what slow down is., A rider should not be able to maintain or gain status by leaving the course. it would have been more fair for the 38 other riders had Dungey not been allowed to go that far, if he gets stuck in the mud well there's your penalty for making a mistake.
aaryn #234 wrote:
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal. Just because you don't gain a position does not mean...
Agree 500, he made a mistake, his penalty because there is an escape road, is minimal.

Just because you don't gain a position does not mean you don't gain an advantage.

There needs to be some type of penalty for a rider who runs of track and comes on 1 2, 3 or more corners later.

Make it a mandatory 10 second per corner missed on lap one and 5 seconds per corner missed after lap one and I bet every single riders finds a way to get back on the track quicker, or takes the penalty they deserve.

There just seems to be no penalty for running off the track.

Just because you don't gain a position does not mean you don't gain an advantage.

This is what I've been saying all along. I like the idea of an official at the end of the "runoff" section making every rider wait ten seconds before continuing the race. If you go past him or hit him, you have a minimum of a one lap penalty. Make it clear in the rider's meeting too. That'll get riders to slow down and get pinched off on a first turn like Unadilla instead of pinning it around the outside.
8/17/2014 7:09pm
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage...
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage. The same riders that were ahead of him when he went off were ahead of him when he came back on.

MX455 wrote:
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made...
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made it to the side of the track he was much further back. In this photo he is at best 12th yet he comes out top ten? Therefor he had to have passed people while he wasn't on the track.



A mistake is a mistake. They need to stop cutting giant sections of the track, banners or not. As far as safety goes why aren't the made to wait and re- enter when possible? Noren hit the gate maybe he should have been able to cut the first 4 corners to catch back up.
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
8/17/2014 7:11pm
GuyB wrote:
kroc's 20 ahead now. How many more does he need?

I see a lot of hand-wringing over hypotheticals, but not much else.
tobz wrote:
Aha oh well that makes it okay then. I like the noren hitting the gate comparison. But what more do you expect from a controlling body...
Aha oh well that makes it okay then.


I like the noren hitting the gate comparison.

But what more do you expect from a controlling body and media that has more grey areas and double standards then I've seen anywhere else.

Hush it under the rug with a few dismissing one liners and move along.
Nothing to push under the rug since Dungey did not gain an advantage or break any rules.
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8/17/2014 7:15pm
aaryn #234 wrote:
Because this is a message board where we chat about these things and discuss them!

I can't argue .. you are correct but I'm just saying I'm sure they thought this out as best they could after how many years of MX... what do the Euro's do ? Do they have any better ideas we can implement ?
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Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage...
Blatant cheating? You may want to watch it again. Dungey was in 6th place when he went off the track and did not gain an advantage. The same riders that were ahead of him when he went off were ahead of him when he came back on.

MX455 wrote:
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made...
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made it to the side of the track he was much further back. In this photo he is at best 12th yet he comes out top ten? Therefor he had to have passed people while he wasn't on the track.



A mistake is a mistake. They need to stop cutting giant sections of the track, banners or not. As far as safety goes why aren't the made to wait and re- enter when possible? Noren hit the gate maybe he should have been able to cut the first 4 corners to catch back up.
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
Bottom line is he PASSED guys while OFF the track and that should NEVER be legal. "Next safest place" is way too much of a gray area and allows the riders, while in the heat of the moment, to make a judgement call. It needs a major overhaul.
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8/17/2014 7:28pm
aaryn #234 wrote:
Because this is a message board where we chat about these things and discuss them!

sozo wrote:
I can't argue .. you are correct but I'm just saying I'm sure they thought this out as best they could after how many years of...
I can't argue .. you are correct but I'm just saying I'm sure they thought this out as best they could after how many years of MX... what do the Euro's do ? Do they have any better ideas we can implement ?
Every sport is always improving things. Right now in our sport, this is the thing that needs the most improvement.
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Wow.... Really? Where was he supposed to go? He swapped so hard in foot deep mud, explain to me what else he was suppose to do...
Wow.... Really?

Where was he supposed to go?

He swapped so hard in foot deep mud, explain to me what else he was suppose to do? Add to that there were banners all the way around the area he rode how else was he supposed to re enter the track?

It's funny how every week you same guys come on here and clame what was "obvious" or "blatant cheating" maybe the teams need to hire you guys to ensure the rules are followed with absolute black and white accuracy since the AMA, MX sports, and all the teams obviously can't perform this duty!
He was in best at 7th position when he reached the bales where the banners began, so re-entering in 5th should have been bad enough. But the fact is, he's on a bike with perhaps the best brakes of any dirtsickle in the world, and he's already nearly stopped well before he gets to the long run of banners. The only issue with stopping and re-entering before the banners was that he'd be far back in the pack. That's what should have happened, though.

Unfortunately, the powers that be have allowed this behavior to the point that Dungey was just following precedent. It had gotten bad enough that the wording of the rule was actually changed for this season, but so far there hasn't been any effort shown to enforce the new wording......

I don't think Dungey thought of it as cheating, just doing what's been allowed for several seasons.
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8/17/2014 8:53pm
MX455 wrote:
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made...
You might want to check again. When he got into the slop he was is 6th, but not off the track. By the time he made it to the side of the track he was much further back. In this photo he is at best 12th yet he comes out top ten? Therefor he had to have passed people while he wasn't on the track.



A mistake is a mistake. They need to stop cutting giant sections of the track, banners or not. As far as safety goes why aren't the made to wait and re- enter when possible? Noren hit the gate maybe he should have been able to cut the first 4 corners to catch back up.
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was...
Nice try, but your screen shot shows Dungey well off the track. Look at where his roost starts, that's where he went off and he was ahead of all those riders in your screen shot. He was 6th, at most, 7th, when he went off. Take the blinders off.
TDeath21 wrote:
Bottom line is he PASSED guys while OFF the track and that should NEVER be legal. "Next safest place" is way too much of a gray...
Bottom line is he PASSED guys while OFF the track and that should NEVER be legal. "Next safest place" is way too much of a gray area and allows the riders, while in the heat of the moment, to make a judgement call. It needs a major overhaul.
Agree with this 110% - cannot dispute this claim
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DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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If the ground was solid enough for him to roost for 15-25 feet before he got to the banners, he should have been able to get on top of or through the mud at the edge of the track. Also, at what point do you guys start enforcing the newly written rule, about riders slowing down when they exit the course? if that rule isn't ever going to be enforced, what was the reason for changing it this year?

On-Track Regulations
a. Riders must remain on the marked course. The course will be marked by Acerbis track markers, boundary markers, hay bales, Tuff Blocks, dirt mounds, etc.. If the marking devices are knocked down, the rider must stay on the original marked course.

b. A rider leaving the course may continue the race by properly re-entering the course at the closest point to where the rider left the course, without gaining an advantage. If a rider leaves the course for any reason, the rider must immediately slow down to a safe speed so as not to endanger life or limb of other riders, crew members, officials, or the public. It will be the responsibility of the Race Director or his designee to determine whether the rider gained an advantage upon re-entry or failed to slow down after leaving the course. A rider may be determined to have gained an advantage without gaining a position.
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It looks to me like he was in 4th, maybe 5th when he exited, and 5th when he re-entered. That's following the rules. I don't see the problem.
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8/17/2014 9:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2014 9:12pm
DC wrote:
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud...
After watching us all pull bikes out of the mud all morning, I think Dungey did the exact correct thing -- he got through the mud and didn't risk going back through twice -- and proceeded to the next hole in the fence. Could he have gone slower? Sure. But had he tried to get back on right there, in three feet of mud, he would not have made it out, just like Cairoli in Sweden last year.

We are trying to make the starts safer and we will be clamping down more on the "blow-off" line so you have to slow done. But I don't want to see a guy hitting a wall of hay bales or a wire or a medic. There has to be some middle ground -- safety without advantage when you go off the track on the start -- and are working on it. There are hay bales there, and he went around them at a slower speed than those 250s at Unadilla.

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APLMAN99 wrote:
If the ground was solid enough for him to roost for 15-25 feet before he got to the banners, he should have been able to get...
If the ground was solid enough for him to roost for 15-25 feet before he got to the banners, he should have been able to get on top of or through the mud at the edge of the track. Also, at what point do you guys start enforcing the newly written rule, about riders slowing down when they exit the course? if that rule isn't ever going to be enforced, what was the reason for changing it this year?

On-Track Regulations
a. Riders must remain on the marked course. The course will be marked by Acerbis track markers, boundary markers, hay bales, Tuff Blocks, dirt mounds, etc.. If the marking devices are knocked down, the rider must stay on the original marked course.

b. A rider leaving the course may continue the race by properly re-entering the course at the closest point to where the rider left the course, without gaining an advantage. If a rider leaves the course for any reason, the rider must immediately slow down to a safe speed so as not to endanger life or limb of other riders, crew members, officials, or the public. It will be the responsibility of the Race Director or his designee to determine whether the rider gained an advantage upon re-entry or failed to slow down after leaving the course. A rider may be determined to have gained an advantage without gaining a position.
You know what comes to mind - Villopoto 2013 A1 when he went around a complete rhythm section. Although he finished in the back of the pack, it was an enouromus advantage of not entering before the section (in other words, he would have been passed by Goerke and Windham).

http://youtu.be/Qrrku9wnLRk?t=4m33s

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